What (if anything) should the Brewers do by the trade deadline?

[rickh150]

 

The Brewers have had very poor DH outputs from 2023-2024 and often treated the position as a way to get backups action. I like having Yelich there as a consistent hitter for that DH spot and a way to maybe keep him healthy. 

I expect that he will continue to play LF occasionally.

 

[wallus]

5 hours ago, TURBO said:

Curious, then who plays LF on a daily basis?

Chourio who is a better fit for LF

[Samurai Bucky]

6 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

I can't speak for OP ... but the two scenarios in my head would be 1) Chourio (Perkins back to CF) or 2) This opens up a whole new trade opportunity to fix "the issue" if the issue is Ortiz. Instead of only having to find an infielder via trade, you can now get anyone in CF or LF and then shift the rest around.

The only thing Perkins brings to the table is above average defense.  Offensively, he is no better, or maybe worse, than Collins:

Perkins:  2023 - WAR 1.1 / OPS+ 85 (67 Games); 2024 1.8 / 83 (121 games)

Collins:  2024 -  -0.3 / -4 11 games; 2025 1.9 / 121 (73 games)

What else does Perkins add that I am missing?  Collins was awful last year (didn't know you could have a negative ops+).  If a change is going to be made, it would probably be better if it came from outside of the club via a trade.  Moving Collins and replacing with Perkins doesn't seem to make sense.

[TURBO]

1 hour ago, wallus said:

Chourio who is a better fit for LF

Better question, who are our starting 3 outfielders if we move Collins o 2B full time?

[JCREW]

8 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Better question, who are our starting 3 outfielders if we move Collins o 2B full time?

When Perkins is Back

Chourio - LF

Perkins - CF

Frelick - RF

[wallus]

1 hour ago, Samurai Bucky said:

The only thing Perkins brings to the table is above average defense.  Offensively, he is no better, or maybe worse, than Collins:

Now do Ortiz.

I think saying Perkin's defense is above average is doing a disservice to him as well. He is a top 3 CF defensively.

[Brian]

Blake Perkins Expected to Start Rehab Assignment on Friday That is today, it will be a while for him I'm sure. 

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, JCREW said:

When Perkins is Back

Chourio - LF

Perkins - CF

Frelick - RF

Perkins in a full time starting role just isn't going to cut it come playoff time.  The bat just doesn'tplay.

[BrewerFan]

19 hours ago, Brian said:

I say the Problem is Ortiz at SS. 

Struggling all season at the plate and even below .200 again as of late (last 15 games)  and never even one hit in a playoff game in his whole life.  

Well... to be fair, he's only played in 3 playoff games... but yes, this is kinda the point. 

But obviously Ortiz is the weakest link right now with Durbin looking like a good player, so the biggest upgrade would be at SS.

It's very hard to acquire a good SS though. A 3B or OF may be easier.

Hypothetically, Adolis Garcia, you think he's going to revert back closer to his averages. He goes to RF where he's solid, Frelick to LF, Collins to 2B, Turang to SS. 

Someone would need to know more about Collins ability at 2B than me to know how good he is defensively.

CJ Abrams was mentioned, but I don't think that's realistic...and hell, if we're giving up a deal to get a Nats hitter, give me Woods. I'll make the lineup fit. 

 

It's been two different types of Ortiz. Super passive and then soft contact with 2 strikes OR super aggressive. Needs to find the middle ground. 

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, JCREW said:

In a vacuum, yes, I would shift the infield around and plug in just the right piece, but when it comes to actually available players, it kind of feels like Eugenio Suarez, Ryan O'Hearn, or bust. 

Suarez could work with the Turang --> SS, Collins --> 2B scenario. O'Hearn would just mean the displacement of a healthy Hoskins. 

If I'm the GM, I'm looking for ways to do a slight overpay to get O'Hearn to MKE as soon as the All Star Game ends. 

So do you mean Suarez or O'Hearn then in the last line? 

I'd be alright with either, Suarez fitting the team better, but Hoskins is hurt. O'Hearn hitting vs righties would be a big boost. 

[StearnsFTW]

Pass on Suarez.  Unless he's really cheap which he won't be.

 

Same for O'Hearn.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, wallus said:

Now do Ortiz.

I think saying Perkin's defense is above average is doing a disservice to him as well. He is a top 3 CF defensively.

Yeah, if he was close to Collins production in CF, he's probably a 6 WAR player. 

7 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

The only thing Perkins brings to the table is above average defense.  Offensively, he is no better, or maybe worse, than Collins:

Perkins:  2023 - WAR 1.1 / OPS+ 85 (67 Games); 2024 1.8 / 83 (121 games)

Collins:  2024 -  -0.3 / -4 11 games; 2025 1.9 / 121 (73 games)

I don't think people realize what a good players Collins has been. He's worse. Much-much worse.

Collins- .270/.370/.405 and a .776 OPS... if Perkins put up a .250/.350/370 line, he'd be an elite CFer. 

And as has been pointed out, he's more than above average defender. 

Pete Crow-Armstrong... pretty clearly the ELITE defensive CFer of this era had 15 OAA last year
Perkins had 11. 

Perkins is not a GG OFer while PCA is playing... but he's an elite one. 

[BrewerFan]

15 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Pass on Suarez.  Unless he's really cheap which he won't be.

 

Same for O'Hearn.

What do you consider cheap for Suarez? 

Lets say it costs... Tobias Myers or I saw a Tyler Black+Carlos Rodriguez, though that seems light.

I get it, I don't want to trade Dinges, Burke, Lara, or anyone above, but with so many starting pitchers and a 3B who can give you an ~.850 OPS... I'd be very excited about that.

 

I think I get where you're coming from though. Didn't someone on here write a "make a big trade or no trade," type article? Basically... don't give up prospect capital for a modest upgrade. 

I'd argue Suarez is a significant upgrade, but he IS a pretty low BA/OBP type guy with solid, but not elite defense. 

The one caveat I'd add... Durbin looks like a good player, but will there be some recession for him? His underlying metrics are as ugly as...Bryan Reynolds are good. What matters is how many times you actually get on base, get a hit, create runs, but half a season of a pretty good line, has he been lucky?

1% in Exit Velo, just low across the board in hard hit rate, barrel rate, and even his defense, which I've thought has looked great, it's about average. Better than Suarez, but not great.  

[StearnsFTW]

4 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

What do you consider cheap for Suarez? 

Lets say it costs... Tobias Myers or I saw a Tyler Black+Carlos Rodriguez, though that seems light.

I get it, I don't want to trade Dinges, Burke, Lara, or anyone above, but with so many starting pitchers and a 3B who can give you an ~.850 OPS... I'd be very excited about that.

 

I think I get where you're coming from though. Didn't someone on here write a "make a big trade or no trade," type article? Basically... don't give up prospect capital for a modest upgrade. 

I'd argue Suarez is a significant upgrade, but he IS a pretty low BA/OBP type guy with solid, but not elite defense. 

The one caveat I'd add... Durbin looks like a good player, but will there be some recession for him? His underlying metrics are as ugly as...Bryan Reynolds are good. What matters is how many times you actually get on base, get a hit, create runs, but half a season of a pretty good line, has he been lucky?

1% in Exit Velo, just low across the board in hard hit rate, barrel rate, and even his defense, which I've thought has looked great, it's about average. Better than Suarez, but not great.  

Id definitely do those 2 deals you propose.

 

I'd do Dinges or Burke too.

 

That's about as far as I'd go though personally.

[BrewerFan]

46 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

Id definitely do those 2 deals you propose.

 

I'd do Dinges or Burke too.

 

That's about as far as I'd go though personally.

Dinges? I really like him. Looks like an elite bat for a guy who has the skills to catch, but... of course, we can over-value our own prospects. 

Burke again, he seems like a really safe bet to be a .280/.350 hitter with a very good glove at 1B.... but you are selling high on both, so it makes sense. 

 

AZ is losing a lot of pitching. We have a couple guys with really good stuff in AA pushing the guys in AAA. An actual log jam among Starting Pitchers. AZ has a big need there. 

Naylor would be another guy I would be alright with. Doesn't have the versatility of Bauers, but...he's a talented hitter. 

[igor67]

Perkins value is all about being a great 4th OF, where because of the defense you can play him anywhere for a day and not lose a ton of overall ground while you give guys a break or work on playing some match-ups. While still being a solid bench option for late game substitutions.

[Brewer77]

5 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

What do you consider cheap for Suarez? 

Lets say it costs... Tobias Myers or I saw a Tyler Black+Carlos Rodriguez, though that seems light.

I get it, I don't want to trade Dinges, Burke, Lara, or anyone above, but with so many starting pitchers and a 3B who can give you an ~.850 OPS... I'd be very excited about that.

 

I think I get where you're coming from though. Didn't someone on here write a "make a big trade or no trade," type article? Basically... don't give up prospect capital for a modest upgrade. 

I'd argue Suarez is a significant upgrade, but he IS a pretty low BA/OBP type guy with solid, but not elite defense. 

The one caveat I'd add... Durbin looks like a good player, but will there be some recession for him? His underlying metrics are as ugly as...Bryan Reynolds are good. What matters is how many times you actually get on base, get a hit, create runs, but half a season of a pretty good line, has he been lucky?

1% in Exit Velo, just low across the board in hard hit rate, barrel rate, and even his defense, which I've thought has looked great, it's about average. Better than Suarez, but not great.  

Durbin is basically the same hitter as Frelick. Outstanding bat to ball with some pull side power. Both guys dump soft liners in front of outfielders and get their share of infield hits. I don’t think there’s a lot of luck there, it’s just an uncommon skillset

DRS has Durbin tied with guys like Turang, Chapman, and Santana. I wouldn’t say he has been great, but I think he has been above average 

[liveforoctober]

16 hours ago, Samurai Bucky said:

The only thing Perkins brings to the table is above average defense.  Offensively, he is no better, or maybe worse, than Collins:

Perkins:  2023 - WAR 1.1 / OPS+ 85 (67 Games); 2024 1.8 / 83 (121 games)

Collins:  2024 -  -0.3 / -4 11 games; 2025 1.9 / 121 (73 games)

What else does Perkins add that I am missing?  Collins was awful last year (didn't know you could have a negative ops+).  If a change is going to be made, it would probably be better if it came from outside of the club via a trade.  Moving Collins and replacing with Perkins doesn't seem to make sense.

In his 17 at bats? Lol, ok.

I don't know who said Perkins was Willie Mays. The OP asked who would play left if Collins moved to 2b and I think there is a pretty clear answer right now that it would be Chourio once Perkins is back. Don't overthink the answer.

[JCREW]

10 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

So do you mean Suarez or O'Hearn then in the last line? 

I'd be alright with either, Suarez fitting the team better, but Hoskins is hurt. O'Hearn hitting vs righties would be a big boost. 

I’m about 80/20 in favor of O’Hearn over Suarez. I’d rather not shake up the infield. 
 

But, yeah, I’m sure Arnold has lines in the water on both of them. 

[jay87shot]

I know I heard a clip from somewhere where Baltimore fans were looking to get a top 100 prospect for O'Hearn. I know that isn't the front office but my guess is that it would take a top 10 organization prospect and a decent 2nd piece for Suarez or O'Hearn. At minimum it would probably be like Letson and Kuehner (both could use pitching) for O'Hearn or Saurez. 

[TURBO]

Man, I do not want to trade Dinges or Burke.  Burke looks like a legit 1B of the near future.  Since we refuse to give EMJ a shot at the position, who else do we have in the pipeline for that position?  Wilken if we move him off 3B and he ever stays healthy?  Luke Adams?  Burke's bat is advanced due to his college days, I still can't believe he is still in Appleton, but once he starts moving, I think he moves quickly.  The kid can flat out hit!

Sy no to trading Burke please. PLEASE?

[StearnsFTW]

4 hours ago, TURBO said:

Man, I do not want to trade Dinges or Burke.  Burke looks like a legit 1B of the near future.  Since we refuse to give EMJ a shot at the position, who else do we have in the pipeline for that position?  Wilken if we move him off 3B and he ever stays healthy?  Luke Adams?  Burke's bat is advanced due to his college days, I still can't believe he is still in Appleton, but once he starts moving, I think he moves quickly.  The kid can flat out hit!

Sy no to trading Burke please. PLEASE?

You asked the same question i have about him.   What's he doing in Appleton?

 

There may be a legit answer but id like to know.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I know I heard a clip from somewhere where Baltimore fans were looking to get a top 100 prospect for O'Hearn. I know that isn't the front office but my guess is that it would take a top 10 organization prospect and a decent 2nd piece for Suarez or O'Hearn. At minimum it would probably be like Letson and Kuehner (both could use pitching) for O'Hearn or Saurez. 

I remember Brewers fans talking about wanting Grayson Rodriguez+Jackson Holliday AND lower rated prospects for Burnes(this was with 2 years of team control).

Fans expectations seldom line up with reality. If they can get a top 100, they should. I'd maybe trade Henderson, but it'd take more than O'Hearn. 

[RedStickBrew]

2 hours ago, StearnsFTW said:

You asked the same question i have about him.   What's he doing in Appleton?

 

There may be a legit answer but id like to know.

With the injuries in Biloxi to Wilkin and Adams there certainly is playing time available for him. Hopefully promotion time is coming soon

[StearnsFTW]

1 hour ago, RedStickBrew said:

With the injuries in Biloxi to Wilkin and Adams there certainly is playing time available for him. Hopefully promotion time is coming soon

The fact that he's still at Appleton makes me think I'd be fine giving him up.

 

Shrug