Brewers at Reds: Sunday, August 17 @ 12:40 p.m.: Jose Quintana (3.44 ERA, 4.73 FIP) vs. Andrew Abbott (2.41 ERA, 3.66 FIP)

[adambr2]

Fun ride. I’m sure Turang is going to kick himself tonight. Bummed that the 9th inning heroics didn’t end up subsequently mattering, but it was bound to happen eventually.

[yourout]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

...not sure what risk you're talking about?

Going to 3rd? Because I think he was going to easily beat that, but I don't know what other risk there may have been. 

I think it would have been close and was probably the only way you didn't get walked off.

[kevinisaname]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

Great effort. Sucks to have to give a game away due to personal issues but it's a long season. Murphy still scares me with his decision making as crazy as it might seem. 

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt on the bunts, but taking Tobias out kind of stunned me. Oh well. We were going to lose someday.

[Joseph Zarr]

I mean, whatever. You can't win them All and this streak has been insane. Murf's leadership and ability to get the most out of his roster is second to none. AND, you are going into a double-header tomorrow with a taxed pitching staff. I think it is very reasonable to question why Murf would pull Myers after not surrendering a hit after 2.0 IP. His bullpen management is his kryptonite. Obviously any move can backfire but just because we're the best team in all of MLB doesn't mean questionable decisions can't be called out. Let's hope for good showings at Wrigley!

[82brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

MAYBE losing after 14 straight wins in which they've manufactured numerous runs with the bunt?

I'm sure I am not recalling but which game was it that a bunt directly decided the game?

[JohnBriggs12]

The game was lost when Murphy took out Myers in favor of Anderson.  It was Myers game to win or lose.

[Jopal78]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

It's not like they're lacking for starting pitching depth. They still have Patrick in AAA who has a better ERA in ~100IP. Then Henderson IL, Myers is being used out of the pen.

I don't really think this is the domino effect of the Nestor Cortes trade. 

Sure it is. Misiorowski is pushing inning limits, hadn’t pitched in weeks and didn’t do a rehab assignment. But lack of better options (Patrick hasn’t been called up despite the Brewers cycling through McGee, Yoho, Myers, Henderson, etc) resulted in Misiorowksi going right back into the rotation and being unable to finish two innings leading to Johnny Wholestaff on Friday, then an extra inning game Saturday, then the last two pitchers on the roster being charged with holding a one run lead against a good team. 

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Even with a super-Sunday lineup and a short bullpen, the game almost landed in the area of near-invincibility for the Brewers.

Start a new streak tomorrow. Can even get two wins in one day. 

Will be good to get Collins back.

[willie key]

They played absolutely terrible this series and still won two games can’t complain.   No more triple aaa squads for the rest of the season.   And for godsakes are they cutting chourios leg off.    

[BrewerFan]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

Sure it is. Misiorowski is pushing inning limits, hadn’t pitched in weeks and didn’t do a rehab assignment. But lack of better options (Patrick hasn’t been called up despite the Brewers cycling through McGee, Yoho, Myers, Henderson, etc) resulted in Misiorowksi going right back into the rotation and being unable to finish two innings leading to Johnny Wholestaff on Friday, then an extra inning game Saturday, then the last two pitchers on the roster being charged with holding a one run lead against a good team. 

They didn't start Misiorowski out of necessity, they started him because he barely missed any time. 

Him struggling, sure, THAT caused a problem. Trading Cortes is... REALLY nit picking and using ONE game to say, "well, would have been great to have a 6 man rotation." 

They could have a 6 man rotation right now if they wanted one. Cortes wasn't the make or break guy on that. 

[JohnBriggs12]

18 minutes ago, wildcat83 said:

Pulling Myers just made no sense.  Going from righty to righty and not like one is drastically different than the other.  If they tie it off Myers he can keep pitching into extras and you still have Anderson.  Now into extras we use more arms and put the availability tomorrow in a worse spot.  Murphy over thought that one.

It wasn't just pulling Myers.  He was throwing it well, and objectively, Myers is a much better pitcher than Anderson.  Myers has had success starting in the big leagues.  Anderson is just a guy.

[BrewerFan]

2 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I'm sure I am not recalling but which game was it that a bunt directly decided the game?

Off the top of my head, the game Turang just bunted for a base hit with a man on 2nd and the Brewers ended up trying it when Cruz threw the ball away trying to turn two. 

[BruisedCrew]

17 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

I like the bunt there.

I hate it.

First, on the road you probably need more than one run to win, especially with the bottom of the bullpen trying to close it.

Second, you’ve got a left handed hitter who might be able to advance the runner by pulling the ball to the right side without giving  away an out.

Third, one of the a slowest runners on the team is on second base, making an out at third a high probability unless the bunt is near perfect  

Oh well, we knew this was going to be a tough game to win with the lineup and the bullpen situation. Now comes the 5;game series that will set the stage for the rest of the season. 
 

 

 

[torts]

14-0*

[Bulldogboy]

Turang defense has taken a step back from Platinum that's for sure. I guess his bat improvement is a trade off.

[82brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Off the top of my head, the game Turang just bunted for a base hit with a man on 2nd and the Brewers ended up trying it when Cruz threw the ball away trying to turn two. 

So bunting is good cuz one time the opposing defense screwed it up?  I would also think Turang is far better at it than the guys that have been attempting the last couple of games.  The context matters too.

[willie key]

That was a head scratcher to pull meyers.    With only a guy on first

[Brian]

1 minute ago, torts said:

14-0*

14-1 streak and everyone talking like were in the cellar. 

[Jopal78]

7 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

They didn't start Misiorowski out of necessity, they started him because he barely missed any time. 

Him struggling, sure, THAT caused a problem. Trading Cortes is... REALLY nit picking and using ONE game to say, "well, would have been great to have a 6 man rotation." 

They could have a 6 man rotation right now if they wanted one. Cortes wasn't the make or break guy on that. 

Ok. 23 year old rookie misses 3 turns through the rotation. “Barely missed any time?”  Depends who you ask.
 

Fact is they’d be a stronger team with Cortes than Lockridge or even Cortes/Haase then Jansen/Lockridge.

Big picture is Misiorowski for whatever reason lasting less than 2 innings caused or contributed to cause their loss in extras today. 

[RobertCrawley]

3 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I hate it.

First, on the road you probably need more than one run to win, especially with the bottom of the bullpen trying to close it.

Second, you’ve got a left handed hitter who might be able to advance the runner by pulling the ball to the right side without giving  away an out.

Third, one of the a slowest runners on the team is on second base, making an out at third a high probability unless the bunt is near perfect  

Oh well, we knew this was going to be a tough game to win with the lineup and the bullpen situation. Now comes the 5;game series that will set the stage for the rest of the season. 
 

 

 

We're a team that has used the bunt to win a lot of games this year. We'll use the bunt to win a lot more.

[BrewerFan]

6 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

I'm sure I am not recalling but which game was it that a bunt directly decided the game?

Ok, so I answered using ONE recent example of a team that's done it all year and;

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

So bunting is good cuz one time the opposing defense screwed it up? 

That's your response?

Why'd you even ask for ONE example if your response was going to... that?

I mean, there are SO many other examples where they've manufactured runs all years and particularly during this stretch, I just gave you one very recent one...

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, Brian said:

14-1 streak and everyone talking like were in the cellar. 

Literally not once.

[82brewcrew82]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

Ok, so I answered using ONE recent example of a team that's done it all year and;

That's your response?

Why'd you even ask for ONE example if your response was going to... that?

I mean, there are SO many other examples where they've manufactured runs all years and particularly during this stretch, I just gave you one very recent one...

I think they've bunted quite a bit to tack on runs.  I refuse the argument that the bunt has been a crucial part of the offense and somehow critical to multiple wins.

[RobertCrawley]

1 minute ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Literally not once.

Not literally, but there is much wailing and gnashing of the teeth today.

[RobertCrawley]

Just now, 82brewcrew82 said:

I think they've bunted quite a bit to tack on runs.  I refuse the argument that the bunt has been a crucial part of the offense and somehow critical to multiple wins.

Well, ok then.