Brewers (Drohan) vs Rockies (Freeland): 6/7/26, 2:10pm

[Jimbo]

Man of the Match: Andrew Vaughn (WPA = +0.18).

 

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

What about the GM who’s suppose to provide quality players for Murphy to manage. Arnold needs to do his part and needs to take some of responsibility, too.

 

2 hours ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

100%

These threads are so dumb I'm not even sure if you're kidding. 

[Frisbee Slider]

2 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

What about the GM who’s suppose to provide quality players for Murphy to manage. Arnold needs to do his part and needs to take some of responsibility, too.

The state of Wisconsin spends tens of billions of tax dollars each year. If we were serious about winning, we would have created a referendum proposing  a 30 year bond to finance our acquisition of Shohei Ohtani.
 

If the state of Indiana can help the Bears with $1 billion for a stadium that doesn’t actually do anything, why can’t we collectively invest in world-class talent? When does the state of Wisconsin start to receive criticism? 🙂

[willie key]

9 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

 

These threads are so dumb I'm not even sure if you're kidding. 

I’m still suing the brewers over Perkins appearances.   You cannot represent yourself as a Major League Baseball team and play him as much as they do.   It’s blatant false advertising.     

[rickh150]

I think it is fair to ask what Perkins and Ortiz are doing on the team when each has options to the minors. They still would provide depth and could be brought up if injury occurs or if their presence/defense are missed.

We also would like to see what Williams/Pratt and especially Lara could do! What more does Lara have to do?

[RobertCrawley]

3 hours ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

Murphy is a great clubhouse/culture guy.

not so great with lineups and in-game decisions

12 runs later . . .

[willie key]

Do we have to pick a side on the “is Murphy/arnold good” debate?

 

whoever is keeping track put me down as a yes!

[sveumrules]

25 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

I think it is fair to ask what Perkins and Ortiz are doing on the team when each has options to the minors. They still would provide depth and could be brought up if injury occurs or if their presence/defense are missed.

We also would like to see what Williams/Pratt and especially Lara could do! What more does Lara have to do?

Perkins is just holding on to a roster spot until Lockridge is ready.

As bad as Blake's 176/263/265 (53 wRC+) vs LHP was entering today it was still considerably better than Sal at 127/183/200 (7 wRC+) vs LHP so far this year.

For their careers it is a 90 wRC+ vs LHP for Perkins vs a 77 wRC+ vs LHP for Frelick.

Since Chourio came back on May 4th and Lockridge got injured on May 8th, Perkins has started a grand total of four games (all wins, naturally). They aren't going to call up Lara and interrupt his development for that kind of scant playing time.

Right now there are only five lineup spots for the six of Vaughn, Bauers, Yelich, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick in any one game. Believe it will probably take one of the three regular OF getting injured for a stretch (even then they might be fine platooning Bauers/Lockridge) or maybe Sal hitting poorly for another couple months before they would consider Luis.

As far as Ortiz, his +3 DRS is tied for 3rd and his +4 FRV is 6th among shortstops with 250 innings this year. Until the Brewers evaluators believe Pratt is ready for MLB that SS defense is valuable since Hamilton has appeared overmatched there (-4 FRV this year, -10 for his career).

Much like the Brewers as a team [89 wRC+ Bases Empty (22nd) vs 133 wRC+ w/ RISP (1st)], Joey has saved his best for the bigger moments at the plate to this point (51 wRC+ Bases Empty vs 138 wRC+ w/ RISP) so his contributions to winning and losing -0.67 WPA (58th worst min. 130 PA this year) haven't been quite as bad as his raw batting line (59 wRC+ | 20th lowest min. 130 PA).

 

[liveforoctober]

Worked all day. Missed the whole game. Just catching up. 

IGT summary from start to finish...

Chourio needs a day off. Brewers defense has gone MIA. We are making an 8 ERA guy look like Cy Young. Gary Sanchez needs to be tazed. Why are we giving Yeli and Bauers both the day off. Arnold needs to be held accountable for this roster. Murphy can't make in game decisions. Drohan deserved better. Vaughn hits the ball hard. Why does our offense have to be asleep for half of every game. 

*Checks score*

12-4 Brewers win. 17 hits. Drohan pitched into the 7th. The 3 IGT punching bags at the bottom of the order reach base 6 times and drove in 3 runs. Half of the lineup had multi hit games.

Never change IGT 😂 😂 

[LouisEly]

Imagine the fan message board reaction if the Brewers run out of gas in August because the manager doesn't give any starting position player a day off and he works his bullpen to death trying to win every single game.

[wiguy94]

Mitchell back up to a 116 wRC+ after today. I get he does it in not the most pleasing way but he's a good player and has such a high ceiling. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

1 hour ago, StearnsFTW said:

 

These threads are so dumb I'm not even sure if you're kidding. 

I think the poster who posted that was frustrated that Perkins and Rengifo are still on the roster.  I’m not sure why you think that means that posted wants Arnold fired.

i’m guessing 95% of the posters at BF do not believe either of those two players belongs on a MLB roster

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

43 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Imagine the fan message board reaction if the Brewers run out of gas in August because the manager doesn't give any starting position player a day off and he works his bullpen to death trying to win every single game.

Which is why we need some backup players who aren’t batting below .200 with an OPS below .550

Doesn’t seem like a big ask

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

54 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Worked all day. Missed the whole game. Just catching up. 

IGT summary from start to finish...

Chourio needs a day off. Brewers defense has gone MIA. We are making an 8 ERA guy look like Cy Young. Gary Sanchez needs to be tazed. Why are we giving Yeli and Bauers both the day off. Arnold needs to be held accountable for this roster. Murphy can't make in game decisions. Drohan deserved better. Vaughn hits the ball hard. Why does our offense have to be asleep for half of every game. 

*Checks score*

12-4 Brewers win. 17 hits. Drohan pitched into the 7th. The 3 IGT punching bags at the bottom of the order reach base 6 times and drove in 3 runs. Half of the lineup had multi hit games.

Never change IGT 😂 😂 

I didn’t see any posters complaining about Drohan.  Kid pitched very well.  They were complaining about our defense being crap yet again which led to all three runs.

i think the frustration was with the offense through the first 5 innings which had not produced much against a starter that has been shelled in pretty much every start the past 2 months on his way to the worst ERA in the majors (worse than even Sproat).

I agree that overly negative posters are exhausting.  So are “homer” fans who post everything is great no matter what.

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

2 hours ago, Opening Day said:

Criticism is fine.  The roster isnt perfect, nor is the GM.  But they are pretty great.  So when someone says Arnold needs to find quality players and its time for him to take responsibility, I think thats a little over the top.  If that wasn't the intent of that post, I apologize.  Sometimes, on a message board or even text, it's difficult to gauge intent.  If that's what happened, then that's my fault.  The criticisms of Murphy, as in not being the guy for the playoffs, I dont agree with.  I dont think they lost last year because of his decisions.

I agree.  We haven’t lost any playoff series because of Murphy.  We did because our elite players didn’t get it done, and because the Dodgers had about 10 elite players to our 3.

given how well our pitching kept us in the games against LA, what we really needed was an elite bat or two.  

many people have commented (and I believe they are correct), that the challenge with the brewers offense is that we score a huge number of our regular season runs off of opponent errors and walks.  When the Bench gets shorter and we face only elite pitching, that has made it tough to score because our opponents in the playoffs don’t beat themselves.
 

[liveforoctober]

9 minutes ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

I didn’t see any posters complaining about Drohan.  Kid pitched very well.  They were complaining about our defense being crap yet again which led to all three runs.

i think the frustration was with the offense through the first 5 innings which had not produced much against a starter that has been shelled in pretty much every start the past 2 months on his way to the worst ERA in the majors (worse than even Sproat).

I agree that overly negative posters are exhausting.  So are “homer” fans who post everything is great no matter what.

I never said anyone said anything negative against Shane. I said the opposite, in fact. 

I love the igt threads. They are a great perspective recalibration for me and endless entertainment. I will never be a fan the same way many seem to be who frequent it but that's why sports are amazing.. They fulfill people in different ways. 

I'll continue to poke fun at the mopes and expect it to be returned similarly... all in the name of #gocrew

[Samurai Bucky]

4 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

What about the GM who’s suppose to provide quality players for Murphy to manage. Arnold needs to do his part and needs to take some of responsibility, too.

Don’t ya know that the Force is real!  How else could Arnold receive the GM of the year?  It is a trans-sham-mockery.  

[adambr2]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Perkins is just holding on to a roster spot until Lockridge is ready.

As bad as Blake's 176/263/265 (53 wRC+) vs LHP was entering today it was still considerably better than Sal at 127/183/200 (7 wRC+) vs LHP so far this year.

For their careers it is a 90 wRC+ vs LHP for Perkins vs a 77 wRC+ vs LHP for Frelick.

Since Chourio came back on May 4th and Lockridge got injured on May 8th, Perkins has started a grand total of four games (all wins, naturally). They aren't going to call up Lara and interrupt his development for that kind of scant playing time.

Right now there are only five lineup spots for the six of Vaughn, Bauers, Yelich, Chourio, Mitchell and Frelick in any one game. Believe it will probably take one of the three regular OF getting injured for a stretch (even then they might be fine platooning Bauers/Lockridge) or maybe Sal hitting poorly for another couple months before they would consider Luis.

As far as Ortiz, his +3 DRS is tied for 3rd and his +4 FRV is 6th among shortstops with 250 innings this year. Until the Brewers evaluators believe Pratt is ready for MLB that SS defense is valuable since Hamilton has appeared overmatched there (-4 FRV this year, -10 for his career).

Much like the Brewers as a team [89 wRC+ Bases Empty (22nd) vs 133 wRC+ w/ RISP (1st)], Joey has saved his best for the bigger moments at the plate to this point (51 wRC+ Bases Empty vs 138 wRC+ w/ RISP) so his contributions to winning and losing -0.67 WPA (58th worst min. 130 PA this year) haven't been quite as bad as his raw batting line (59 wRC+ | 20th lowest min. 130 PA).

 

I’ve been as big of an advocate for Lara as anybody, but I never would have dreamed as a Brewer fan in the early 2000s watching to see if Ronnie Belliard and John Vander Wal could get us to 65 wins, that we’d ever have a perennial playoff team on pace for 103 wins in June whose biggest problem is we can’t find enough playing time to justify bringing up our hotshot 21 year old outfield prospect raking with a .947 OPS in AAA.

What an awfully good problem to have.

[Opening Day]

6 hours ago, rickh150 said:

I think it is fair to ask what Perkins and Ortiz are doing on the team when each has options to the minors. They still would provide depth and could be brought up if injury occurs or if their presence/defense are missed.

We also would like to see what Williams/Pratt and especially Lara could do! What more does Lara have to do?

I would put Ortiz ahead of Renfigo.  They hit about the same amd have similar speed (Ortiz seems faster, but IDK).  However, Ortiz is much better defensively at 3rd, SS, and I assume 2nd.  So if one of them gets relegated to the bench, Ortiz brings a ton more value as a defensive replacement.  Perkins needs to go.  I root for him, I love his nonchalent difficult catches.  But hovering around .100 makes him unplayable outside of a latw inning defensive replacement.

[Opening Day]

6 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

The state of Wisconsin spends tens of billions of tax dollars each year. If we were serious about winning, we would have created a referendum proposing  a 30 year bond to finance our acquisition of Shohei Ohtani.
 

If the state of Indiana can help the Bears with $1 billion for a stadium that doesn’t actually do anything, why can’t we collectively invest in world-class talent? When does the state of Wisconsin start to receive criticism? 🙂

Sounds good, I don't get why you used blue font.

[gregmag]

Re: Rengifo and Perkins, I think people sometimes forget this isn’t a fantasy league. Inconvenient timing is real.

Take Rengifo (please). He was supposed to be an adequate placeholder until one of our 15 3b/ss prospects was ready to go. That’s why we didn’t try to go out and sign Alex Bregman instead. (Well, that, and money, and the fact that we understand aging curves.) Alas, he’s been an awful stopgap, and none of them is ready to go. It would be great to go find some 90 OPS+ guy who plays adequate defense and whom we could cut loose in two or three or four months when Pratt or Williams figures it out.  But you see the problem, right?  If that guy exists, he’s on a real contract. So your options are:

Expend real trade and payroll resources for a decent upgrade who then blocks your prospects in the medium term;

Scoop up someone off the scrap heap and hope against hope that he works out better than Rengifo (whom, in this scenario, you’re still paying);

Rush a prospect up and risk messing up a long-term asset; or

Suck it up for a while.

So no, in the abstract, Rengifo shouldn’t be on a MLB roster. But in our actual circumstances, he’s the least bad choice, at the moment, for this particular roster.

[cragi]

7 hours ago, gregmag said:

cut loose in two or three or four months when Pratt or Williams figures it out.  

I think this is where we struggle with the current choice. Pratt / Williams are probably no worse than lateral on offense and likely an upgrade on defense. So why not grow on the job, especially if you’re needed in the postseason

[igor67]

Pratt in particular now gets paid the same regardless.

[gregmag]

I think the answer must be that they want to put a top prospect in a position to succeed when they bring him up. I’m sure the assessment varies from player to player.

In 2016, Orlando Arcia was a top 10 MLB prospect. At age 21, he played 2/3 of the season at AAA. He was good not great, putting up a 723 OPS with a bad BB/K ratio. The Brewers called him up for the final third of the season. He never developed into anything more than a second-division starter, putting up a couple of 2-WAR seasons that account for most of his career value, with nearly all that value coming on defense. Maybe that’s all he was ever going to be, but the Brewers got criticism at the time for bringing him up before he was ready.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, gregmag said:

I think the answer must be that they want to put a top prospect in a position to succeed when they bring him up. I’m sure the assessment varies from player to player.

In 2016, Orlando Arcia was a top 10 MLB prospect. At age 21, he played 2/3 of the season at AAA. He was good not great, putting up a 723 OPS with a bad BB/K ratio. The Brewers called him up for the final third of the season. He never developed into anything more than a second-division starter, putting up a couple of 2-WAR seasons that account for most of his career value, with nearly all that value coming on defense. Maybe that’s all he was ever going to be, but the Brewers got criticism at the time for bringing him up before he was ready.

The other thing is — Jett just really hasn’t done enough to force their hand. He started slow, picked it up for a bit and now has been cooling off a bit again.

He's a nice, versatile prospect but a .700 OPS in AAA as a super sub doesn’t really scream as someone who is going to come up and be better than the status quo.

Pratt is a little closer and the contract and the fact that he’s already on the 40 work in his favor. But again, til they figure out what they’re going to do with Ortiz, the difference between the two is probably marginal.

Lara is the only one where you can look at his stats and wonder what else he could possibly do, and I think that’s a fair question. So it’s much more related to his own long-term development; I don’t think many people would argue that he couldn’t show up today and be more valuable than Perkins.