Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Ouch. Two straight abysmal deadlines

[Simba2020]

Never understood the trade on so many levels. Not the least is the guy has a 4.68 ERA and 1.50 WHIP since 2015. Had a 20 inning run in the funky pandemic season, hasn't pitched since yet he still is a guy to trade for? The only thing impressive about Rosenthal is his agent. He's extracted about $35 million for his client since 2015. All for a pitcher who basically put up 0 WAR since that time.

[Neazy32]

took a shot...looks pretty damn bad now i must say but im not gonna get to upset about it

dont think there is any room for Peters with our minor leauge outfielders being pretty stacked at all levels

 

[edfunderburk]

 

[SomewhereInTime]

On 8/25/2022 at 5:07 AM, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Hindsight has a way of doing that

A lot of people had the foresight to see that this was pretty dumb as well.

[Hopper]

2 hours ago, Neazy32 said:

took a shot...looks pretty damn bad now i must say but im not gonna get to upset about it

dont think there is any room for Peters with our minor leauge outfielders being pretty stacked at all levels

 

It's not about him fitting on our team, it's about the future ability to trade him for a piece that might actually play for us.

This was a complete and total failure on so many levels.

I used to have a lot of faith in the upper management, but cutting Lamet after the Hader trade, and now this, I no longer have that faith.  It's the opposite now to be honest.

[Never Outhustled]

2 hours ago, Neazy32 said:

took a shot...looks pretty damn bad now i must say but im not gonna get to upset about it

dont think there is any room for Peters with our minor leauge outfielders being pretty stacked at all levels

 

AA starts 2 journeymen in the OF every night. There was plenty of room for Peters. 

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Ouch. Two straight abysmal deadlines

Last years deadline was two good trades and one terrible one that never made any sense. The John Curtiss trade made sense. That's actually one of those "in hindsight..." trades. Also, they did get Adames last year. While not a deadline deal, it was a good trade.

I'd say last years trades, other than Norris all made sense as opposed to this years when people were dumbfounded over the Lamet DFA, Rosenthal trade and the timing of the Hader trade. 

Trading a prospect like Reece Olson for Daniel Norris is always a dumb trade, but at least Escobar was a nice bat for us and Curtiss was throwing well before the trade, just got injured. 

Reece Olson and Tristan Peters could probably be packaged to get a pretty nice player. And Lamet has been the best reliever in all the trades coming or going this year and we just dumped him without giving him a look.

 

Good news is that Gasser kid looks like the real deal. 

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, Hopper said:

It's not about him fitting on our team, it's about the future ability to trade him for a piece that might actually play for us.

This was a complete and total failure on so many levels.

I used to have a lot of faith in the upper management, but cutting Lament after the Hader trade, and now this, I no longer have that faith.  It's the opposite now to be honest.

I'm not quite as down on management as you are. I still think they've done an outstanding job building this organization, remaking it, the pitching analytics, their change in offensive philosophy(or at least an apparent change) in who they target.

But the DFA of Lamet, Reece Olson for Daniel Norris and Tristan Peters for Rosenthal...

I trust Stearns overall direction/decision making and his off-season moves...particularly given the restraints we're under, but his deadlines have not been impressive. 

[Axman59]

On 8/25/2022 at 6:09 PM, Axman59 said:

I thought I would post this pic.

Since it's probably the only time we're going to see Rosenthal in a Brewers uniform this season.

I was right. Enjoy the pic!

[Robocaller]

3 hours ago, UpandIn said:

Last years deadline was two good trades and one terrible one that never made any sense. The John Curtiss trade made sense. That's actually one of those "in hindsight..." trades. Also, they did get Adames last year. While not a deadline deal, it was a good trade.

I'd say last years trades, other than Norris all made sense as opposed to this years when people were dumbfounded over the Lamet DFA, Rosenthal trade and the timing of the Hader trade. 

Trading a prospect like Reece Olson for Daniel Norris is always a dumb trade, but at least Escobar was a nice bat for us and Curtiss was throwing well before the trade, just got injured. 

Reece Olson and Tristan Peters could probably be packaged to get a pretty nice player. And Lamet has been the best reliever in all the trades coming or going this year and we just dumped him without giving him a look.

 

Good news is that Gasser kid looks like the real deal. 

I wasn't dumbfounded by the Lamet DFA. Went to his baseball reference page, and he's wearing a Brewer's hat even though he never played for us.

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, Robocaller said:

I wasn't dumbfounded by the Lamet DFA. Went to his baseball reference page, and he's wearing a Brewer's hat even though he never played for us.

Ok, well...hat aside, I was surprised he was DFA'ed with Jake McGee and Suter...among others still on the roster, and I was hardly the only one.

 

[LouisEly]

I think some of y'all are overvaluing the trade value of a light-hitting LF who hasn't proven anything above A-ball and are undervaluing a LHRP who, over the last four seasons, has a 2.95 ERA across 174 innings with 8.3 K/9, 3.5 K/BB, and 1.16 WHIP.

[UpandIn]

10 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

I think some of y'all are overvaluing the trade value of a light-hitting LF who hasn't proven anything above A-ball and are undervaluing a LHRP who, over the last four seasons, has a 2.95 ERA across 174 innings with 8.3 K/9, 3.5 K/BB, and 1.16 WHIP.

I think some of y'all are really undervaluing the trade value for a LF/CF who was extremely productive a year after getting drafted in HiA ball. A guy the Brewers thought enough of to skip him past LowA. 

Sounds a LOT like Cooper Hummel...if Hummel had better production earlier in his career. 

So no, it's not just that nobody who doesn't agree with or understand the trade lacks the capacity to understand what Tristan Peters was. He was a player you COULD have used in another trade for a more valuable player at some point in time in the future for a player who was effectively a salary dumb for a player with a ~4.75 ERA and a 1.50 Whip going back 7 years now(despite not pitching the last two). 

He was in his 2nd year in the system and the one thing we're clinging to is "he hasn't proven anything above A-ball." Ok...and Rosenthal hasn't proven anything since before he was drafted. Well before. 
 

That's another prospect we've basically thrown away on a reliever who either had no impact or had a negative impact on the Brewers in 2 years(I don't count John Curtiss because at least that made sense to me at the time). 

 

Reece Olson, Tristan Peters. 

[SRB]

Not to rag on a prospect, but I guarantee you the front office does not place a lot of value in a guy they traded for a high-upside flier who (as was angrily point out at the time of the trade) they could have just signed as a free agent a couple weeks earlier. You win some, you lose some.

The "hindsight has proven me correct" critics are also very funny considering Rosenthal will contribute 0.0 WAR for us this season and Josh Hader (sadly) has put up considerable negative WAR since the trade deadline. What universe is Bob Nightengale posting from?

[UpandIn]

16 minutes ago, SRB said:

Not to rag on a prospect, but I guarantee you the front office does not place a lot of value in a guy they traded for a high-upside flier who (as was angrily point out at the time of the trade) they could have just signed as a free agent a couple weeks earlier. You win some, you lose some.

The "hindsight has proven me correct" critics are also very funny considering Rosenthal will contribute 0.0 WAR for us this season and Josh Hader (sadly) has put up considerable negative WAR since the trade deadline. What universe is Bob Nightengale posting from?

Rosenthal wasn't traded for Hader. 

Also, how is it the "The hindsight has proven me correct critics," AND are somehow the same people who are in the "as was angrily point out at the time of the trade," crowd? Sounds like the antithesis of hindsight. Sounds like foresight. 

Every other point has been made, but it feels like they're intentionally distorted. Also...you post this on the day Hader has his worst outing ever...despite the fact that MOST of this hasn't even been about the Hader trade nearly as much as the subsequent moves, but that's not using the benefit of hindsight?  

But sure...the front office clearly didn't put much value into Reece Olson nor Tristan Peters...obviously. They were quite clearly wrong on the prior, we'll see where they end up on the later. 

[stalton]

If I call someone's bet in poker with better odds and end up losing, was it a bad decision?  If I call someone with horrible odds and end up getting lucky and hitting on the river, did I make the right call?

Conversely, in anything sports/game related, does the actual result influence whether something was the "right decision"

In hindsight, most would say we shouldn't have made the trade for Rosenthal but would people also would have praised the trade if we hit the 2 outer?

[BigDaddy1974]

The trade was a total head scratcher from the start. Forget about what Peters might or might not become. Was it true we were on the hook for a big chunk of his 4.5 million dollar contract? If so, then the crew wasted a significant amount of money for nothing. 

[UpandIn]

26 minutes ago, BigDaddy1974 said:

The trade was a total head scratcher from the start. Forget about what Peters might or might not become. Was it true we were on the hook for a big chunk of his 4.5 million dollar contract? If so, then the crew wasted a significant amount of money for nothing. 

Exactly. You only need to go back to the first page or 9 from this thread to see this wasn't a "in hindsight" opinion. 

His contract was largely incentive laden and prorated, so I believe we only took on...~1.5M or so, but that wasn't really the issue. 

It seems as if...to some, if you strongly dislike a move David Stearns front office makes(and we don't know if this was him or Arnold that pushed for it...Arnold is the GM after-all) then you're questioning his leadership.

I'd be thrilled to find out that we have signed David Stearns to a 4 year contract extension and he will be in the employ of the Milwaukee Brewers for 5 more years and not just slip into that wide open POBO position in Queens next year. Both things can be true. 
 

[Jopal78]

If he doesn’t retire; I hope they offer Rosenthal an incentive laden NRI for ‘23. He’s always been a great relief pitcher.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

9 hours ago, UpandIn said:

It seems as if...to some, if you strongly dislike a move David Stearns front office makes(and we don't know if this was him or Arnold that pushed for it...Arnold is the GM after-all) then you're questioning his leadership.

I'd be thrilled to find out that we have signed David Stearns to a 4 year contract extension and he will be in the employ of the Milwaukee Brewers for 5 more years and not just slip into that wide open POBO position in Queens next year. Both things can be true. 
 

Well, when many of those posts questioning the move are followed immediately by ideas like "he's got one foot out the door", what the heck else are you supposed to believe?

This place has gotten extremely toxic lately.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

This place has gotten extremely toxic lately.

What the heck do you expect when the team collapses in a stretch they were playing the Red, Cubs, and Pirates? Combined with a trade deadline so bad that even the players were speaking out. Of course people are going to to be venting. You only seem to be comfortable when everyone is blowing sunshine on this forum. Yes. some of the rants get cringy. But it's even worse when a small handful of posters like yourself try to control the narrative like you're doing for the 1,000th time right now. If there wasn't some frustration being expressed on this fan site right now, it wouldn't be a forum worth visiting.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

3 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

What the heck do you expect when the team collapses in a stretch they were playing the Red, Cubs, and Pirates? Combined with a trade deadline so bad that even the players were speaking out. Of course people are going to to be venting. You only seem to be comfortable when everyone is blowing sunshine on this forum. Yes. some of the rants get cringy. But it's even worse when a small handful of posters like yourself try to control the narrative like you're doing for the 1,000th time right now. If there wasn't some frustration being expressed on this fan site right now, it wouldn't be a forum worth visiting.

I have absolutely no problem with criticism or venting if there is logic put behind it. It's the whining simply for the sake of whining that has raised the toxicity level substantially. 

Stating an opinion is not "trying to control the narrative". Those who are ultra critical of this team and its front office sure do seem to have a really thin skin when questioned on it. It's a message board ... there are going to be disagreements. And that's fine. 

Everyone is frustrated with this team right now. If you aren't, you haven't been watching. 

[Never Outhustled]

9 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

If he doesn’t retire; I hope they offer Rosenthal an incentive laden NRI for ‘23. He’s always been a great relief pitcher.

Always been a great relief pitcher? This guy is the definition of a has been. 

Over the past 5 years he's pitched just 42 innings including the postseason, and carried a 7.29 ERA.

Stop burning money on this scrub and let him walk. 

He was acquired because of his tricky contract made it seem like the club wasn't slashing payroll. The crew had a PR problem, and this was the solution. That's it. 

[Outlander]

I find it hard to believe they acquired Rosenthal for PR. The average Joe that knows Hader and was upset about that has no clue who Rosenthal is. It was a risk that didn't pay off, not going to read any further into it.