I want to see San Diego fail

[UpandIn]

2 hours ago, JosephC said:

Tatis...what a moron.

He obviously didn't get the playbook on how to properly handle this situation.

#1 - Get all lawyer'ed up

#2 - Find some completely innocent nobody to scapegoat

#3 - Parade around telling everyone how innocent you are

 

[Axman59]

2 hours ago, JosephC said:

Tatis...what a moron.

He obviously didn't get the playbook on how to properly handle this situation.

#1 - Get all lawyer'ed up

#2 - Find some completely innocent nobody to scapegoat

#3 - Parade around telling everyone how innocent you are

Instead he went with the time tested "I took a something for some innocent reason and unbeknownst to me it contained (insert banned substance here)."

Just once I'd like to see one of these juicers admit they took a banned substance to get a competitive advantage on the chumps who are clean.

[Thurston Fluff]

13 hours ago, Axman59 said:

Instead he went with the time tested "I took a something for some innocent reason and unbeknownst to me it contained (insert banned substance here)."

Just once I'd like to see one of these juicers admit they took a banned substance to get a competitive advantage on the chumps who are clean.

He wouldn't even have had to do that. He could have just said I took something I knew was illegal to get healthy and back on the field. It has the added advantage of being more believable (possibly even true?) and make him look like he did it for something more noble than a competitive advantage.

[Brock Beauchamp]

19 hours ago, JosephC said:

Tatis...what a moron.

He obviously didn't get the playbook on how to properly handle this situation.

#1 - Get all lawyer'ed up

#2 - Find some completely innocent nobody to scapegoat

#3 - Parade around telling everyone how innocent you are

Ouch. The sad thing is how accurate this post is. 

[MrTPlush]

On 8/9/2022 at 5:33 PM, NBBrewFan said:

I think the Brewers were really unlucky with the timing of building MP/AmFam.  At the time the big driver was luxury boxes and overall attendance.  Huge TV money (local and National) and MLB.TV (what is the internet?) were so far in the distance that they didn't have a clue about maximizing the location.  Where they put it made perfect sense at the time and 10ish years later having ancillary developments around the park to feed the Baseball revenue started to become a "thang".

What exactly was a downtown stadium going to do? Small market is a small market. Not to mention (no offense to any Milwaukee city faithful) what exactly downtown Milwaukee was going to help add value for the Brewers? Again, sorry to offend anyone...but Milwaukee downtown is pretty bland and the stadium probably would have still not been that close. I would rather drink my own cheap beer, downing brats, and absorbing sunrays....versus buying overpriced beer in a bar and being cramped like I am in a sardine can. Not like you would get some Pittsburgh-like skyline because A) The Milwaukee skyline isn't that great...well unless you are out on Lake Michigan...but I don't think a floating stadium would have been in the cards and B) it would have most certainly been a retractable roof regardless. 

[monty57]

6 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

What exactly was a downtown stadium going to do? Small market is a small market. Not to mention (no offense to any Milwaukee city faithful) what exactly downtown Milwaukee was going to help add value for the Brewers? Again, sorry to offend anyone...but Milwaukee downtown is pretty bland and the stadium probably would have still not been that close. I would rather drink my own cheap beer, downing brats, and absorbing sunrays....versus buying overpriced beer in a bar and being cramped like I am in a sardine can. Not like you would get some Pittsburgh-like skyline because A) The Milwaukee skyline isn't that great...well unless you are out on Lake Michigan...but I don't think a floating stadium would have been in the cards and B) it would have most certainly been a retractable roof regardless. 

My original post on it was paralleling it with what another poster had said San Diego's owners had done. 

If they bought up the surrounding buildings, then they receive the revenue from all of the area bars and restaurants. You said you'd rather drink your own cheap beer. That's understandable, but it does nothing for the team. The owners would rather have you drink their expensive beer, so if they own the bar next door they will get your money before and after the game in addition to getting your money while you are in the stadium. The goal of their business is to get as much of your money as they can, not to give you the cheapest experience possible.

If this is one of the reasons that San Diego is able to sustain a higher payroll, then maybe that strategy could have been a more effective one for the Brewers'. It's a moot point now, as that happened over 20 years ago, but it certainly could have made more sense for the Brewers to go in the other direction. 

[NBBrewFan]

36 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

What exactly was a downtown stadium going to do? Small market is a small market. Not to mention (no offense to any Milwaukee city faithful) what exactly downtown Milwaukee was going to help add value for the Brewers? Again, sorry to offend anyone...but Milwaukee downtown is pretty bland and the stadium probably would have still not been that close. I would rather drink my own cheap beer, downing brats, and absorbing sunrays....versus buying overpriced beer in a bar and being cramped like I am in a sardine can. Not like you would get some Pittsburgh-like skyline because A) The Milwaukee skyline isn't that great...well unless you are out on Lake Michigan...but I don't think a floating stadium would have been in the cards and B) it would have most certainly been a retractable roof regardless. 

Where in my post did I say "Downtown". There's more that could be done with where they put it, but as I said in my post, attending the game was the big driver at the time. Just now are the Brewers planning on ways to improve the local environment to increase revenue.  A little late to the party, but yeah there's still one glass of beer left in that pony keg.

[tmwiese55]

One thing to add is they have seemed to jacked up the parking costs in the last few years, which is money direct to them.   Yea they can't sell tailgaters beer/food but adding $10 to every car adds up through the year

[nate82]

1 hour ago, tmwiese55 said:

One thing to add is they have seemed to jacked up the parking costs in the last few years, which is money direct to them.   Yea they can't sell tailgaters beer/food but adding $10 to every car adds up through the year

Yes but that is only during the season and only during home games.  A bar or an entertainment area would bring in money year round.  If the Brewers are smart about this they could have a money maker throughout the year.  It should probably be attached to the stadium so they are able to get revenue when there are other events occurring at the stadium.

[Dead Simmons]

On 8/12/2022 at 9:36 PM, UpandIn said:

 

No surprise to me whatever. Tatis Sr. was a raging 'roider and taught him everything he knows...except how to mask the modern stuff. And I have to wonder why he was tested while he wasn't even playing.

 

He may have been whistle blown on. As for Soto: He won't be on the Padres next year. Maybe to a NL Central team? Nope. Most likely the METS! On Hader: I couldn't believe he was traded when I heard it.  WHY??? What the hell is going on with that???

 

I'm getting tired of today's  baseball. Only watched 7 innings of ONE game so far this season

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, Dead Simmons said:

No surprise to me whatever. Tatis Sr. was a raging 'roider and taught him everything he knows...except how to mask the modern stuff. And I have to wonder why he was tested while he wasn't even playing.

 

He may have been whistle blown on. As for Soto: He won't be on the Padres next year. Maybe to a NL Central team? Nope. Most likely the METS! On Hader: I couldn't believe he was traded when I heard it.  WHY??? What the hell is going on with that???

 

I'm getting tired of today's  baseball. Only watched 7 innings of ONE game so far this season

You don't have to be playing to be tested. Players are tested every off-season.

I sincerely doubt that Soto is traded this off-season. I don't think they gave up what they gave up for 3 months of baseball and then to flip him 2 years away from Free Agency. 

That said, I really wouldn't be real sad to see the Cards give up a Nationals like package for Juan Soto for two years. 

[owbc]

Milwaukee doesn't need 2 sports entertainment districts. There's already a great one downtown next to Fiserv that has the benefit of being in close proximity to housing, hotels, other entertainment, etc. 

If AmFam was built again today it would certainly go somewhere close to that entertainment district as opposed to the current location in the middle of a concrete desert. Building a second district out of thin air next to the existing stadium is not an easy task. Some chain restaurants and a hotel will not make it a destination. 

There are not many people in the Milwaukee area. The current stadium maximizes attendance with a central location along the freeway that caters to people driving in from outside of Milwaukee. It may not be the best for maximizing revenue but it works for Wisconsin. 

 

[Dead Simmons]

40 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

You don't have to be playing to be tested. Players are tested every off-season.

I sincerely doubt that Soto is traded this off-season. I don't think they gave up what they gave up for 3 months of baseball and then to flip him 2 years away from Free Agency. 

That said, I really wouldn't be real sad to see the Cards give up a Nationals like package for Juan Soto for two years. 

So he's not a one year rental...OK I'm out of the loop. I used to watch all the MLB channel shows and BASEBALL TONITE religiously, but now I watch CNN and MSNBC.

 

You are probably right the Cards will make a bid for SOTO, but it will be a big market team that gets him.

[UpandIn]

51 minutes ago, Dead Simmons said:

So he's not a one year rental...OK I'm out of the loop. I used to watch all the MLB channel shows and BASEBALL TONITE religiously, but now I watch CNN and MSNBC.

 

You are probably right the Cards will make a bid for SOTO, but it will be a big market team that gets him.

No, he's locked up for 2 more years after this one. That's why they gave up...maybe the biggest prospect haul ever for him.

And the Pads payroll is up to 230M. So they're not exactly small market teams these days. 

[UpandIn]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

Milwaukee doesn't need 2 sports entertainment districts. There's already a great one downtown next to Fiserv that has the benefit of being in close proximity to housing, hotels, other entertainment, etc. 

If AmFam was built again today it would certainly go somewhere close to that entertainment district as opposed to the current location in the middle of a concrete desert. Building a second district out of thin air next to the existing stadium is not an easy task. Some chain restaurants and a hotel will not make it a destination. 

There are not many people in the Milwaukee area. The current stadium maximizes attendance with a central location along the freeway that caters to people driving in from outside of Milwaukee. It may not be the best for maximizing revenue but it works for Wisconsin. 

 

They wouldn't have to copy the Deer District. Again, they could have commercial real estate with some nice, high end apartments. There are a million other things they could put in there that would generate revenue. It doesn't have to be exclusively about Restaurants and Bars, though Wisconsin has proven you can build them anywhere. Hell, build a water park near the stadium. Something like Kalahari in the Dells for people who want to spend a couple days in the area and go to a couple games. 

[NBBrewFan]

11 minutes ago, UpandIn said:

They wouldn't have to copy the Deer District. Again, they could have commercial real estate with some nice, high end apartments. There are a million other things they could put in there that would generate revenue. It doesn't have to be exclusively about Restaurants and Bars, though Wisconsin has proven you can build them anywhere. Hell, build a water park near the stadium. Something like Kalahari in the Dells for people who want to spend a couple days in the area and go to a couple games. 

Yep.  You need people to have a reason to be there when the Brewers aren't playing.  Restaurant or bars alone don't have the same impact as people living/working in that area. 

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, NBBrewFan said:

Yep.  You need people to have a reason to be there when the Brewers aren't playing.  Restaurant or bars alone don't have the same impact as people living/working in that area. 

Paintball, a sports complex...hotels, apartments. I'm quite sure the city would be willing to work with the organization in an effort to replace the ugly old empty factory buildings and replace them with SOMETHING. 

I don't want to go through the misery the Cubs fans are going through from ownership spending all their money on real estate, but...this was the plan once upon a time.

22 years old, I was all about Water Street and the Deer District. 35 and I want to take my Nieces, Nephews and kids down to maybe a more family friendly environment. It was the plan at one point. An investment into the city, even if it doesn't mean a 230M dollar payroll like the Padres have, it seems unlikely to hurt. 

 

I also understand what OWBC is saying, that you can oversaturate the market to the point of not just diminishing returns...but no returns, or you're taking one thriving area and you're taking away from it.

But...as I said, I think a different, family friendly, more residential approach rather than a lively bar scene may be a good idea(though...it's Wisconsin, of course you'd have Bars). 

[MrTPlush]

18 hours ago, monty57 said:

My original post on it was paralleling it with what another poster had said San Diego's owners had done. 

If they bought up the surrounding buildings, then they receive the revenue from all of the area bars and restaurants. You said you'd rather drink your own cheap beer. That's understandable, but it does nothing for the team. The owners would rather have you drink their expensive beer, so if they own the bar next door they will get your money before and after the game in addition to getting your money while you are in the stadium. The goal of their business is to get as much of your money as they can, not to give you the cheapest experience possible.

If this is one of the reasons that San Diego is able to sustain a higher payroll, then maybe that strategy could have been a more effective one for the Brewers'. It's a moot point now, as that happened over 20 years ago, but it certainly could have made more sense for the Brewers to go in the other direction. 

But that is comparing two different markets with massively different demographics...especially financially. San Diego has double the metro size and is certainly more wealthy. 1/3 of the Milwaukee metro area is Milwaukee itself, where the median income is like $45k. Thinking Brewer fans are going to buy an expensive ticket, expensive travel for many, and then go spend big bucks before ever entering the stadium is a bit of a stretch. You can compare them to the Bucks a bit...but I think we could agree the demographics going to a Bucks game tends to be a little more upscale than a Brewers game. Would the Brewers really benefit from not having the sea of parking lots and instead a more vibrant place to spend money around it? Debatable...it would certainly tank attendance and are the remaining really going to spend enough to offset that? Tailgating is a big part of Brewer culture...I just can't see them going back in retrospect to build in an anti-tailgate area. 

I think people overthink what the Brewers could or should do. Some grand ballpark village just flat out won't work. There will still be plenty of parking lot space to drink and eat your own stuff. They just need simple targeted things. Pop-up tailgate party's (which they have done a little) or something like the Packers have in the Bar SE of the stadium toward the Resch. Maybe some live music from time to time, place to get AC or avoid the elements, non porta potty bathrooms, mixed drinks.

I am kinda surprised they haven't done some kind of hotel. You would make a massive killing during baseball season and I am sure it would do perfectly fine outside of that with the VA so close by. I am sure that is exactly what someone thought when they put a Marriott on Miller Park Way/National Ave. It honestly is a pretty decent year round hotel location.

But of course...the Brewers have many financial real estate experts. If it was worth it, I am sure they would have done it by now. 

[wildcat2237]

Tonight Hader with another meltdown. His era is over 5. Soto 0-3 with 2 whiffs. 

[Axman59]

Padres were 12 games out of 1st in the NL West at the deadline.

They are now 18 games behind the Dodgers (who chose not to empty their farm system for Soto).

[edfunderburk]

7 hours ago, Axman59 said:

Padres were 12 games out of 1st in the NL West at the deadline.

They are now 18 games behind the Dodgers (who chose not to empty their farm system for Soto).

Dreams come true 

[markedman5]

8 hours ago, Axman59 said:

Padres were 12 games out of 1st in the NL West at the deadline.

They are now 18 games behind the Dodgers (who chose not to empty their farm system for Soto).

But at least they won the trade deadline with the breathless media lauding them for going “ All In”! 

[Frisbee Slider]

Josh Bell with .583 OPS in 105 AB since joining San Diego. Brandon Drury with .672 OPS in 100 AB since joining San Diego.

[Axman59]

On 8/20/2022 at 2:31 AM, Axman59 said:

Padres were 12 games out of 1st in the NL West at the deadline.

They are now 18 games behind the Dodgers (who chose not to empty their farm system for Soto).

Padres now 20 games behind the Dodgers. They've lost 8 games to the Dodgers since they emptied their farm system at the trade deadline.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I don't think the Padres plan was ever to catch the Dodgers.  It was (most likely) to lock up enough talent to secure a WC spot and have a more competitive post season team.