Packers 2023 Discussion Thread

[areacodes]

4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

So I guess the only real difference here is that if Love is the guy, he gets an additional 2.3M in 2024 while they presumably work out an extension, and if he blows so massively that they have to move on after 2023, they save about 6.7M versus if they had just picked up the option. 

Personally if you're confident in the guy I don't know why you don't just pick up the option rather than hedge your bet like this. If they were going to go this route I would have rather giving him a little bigger signing bonus and tried to secure an extra year of control in '25.

Does it build some good faith with Love by giving him some extra coin if he plays well and meets incentives? Maybe helps with an extension in the future vs just picking up the option?

Also give the Packers an added bonus of lower guaranteed money if he sucks. So there are benefits to both sides.

[homer]

 

 

[AKCheesehead]

Something that occurred to me yesterday was the potential for stadium music shenanigans with Jordan Love as our QB.  At home, there's no end to the love themed songs they could play.  O'Jays Love Train, Beatles All You Need is Love come to mind.  On the road, I wonder if anyone will go for J Geils Love Stinks. Or if he takes a tough hit, maybe Nazareth's Love Hurts. 

[CheezWizHed]

On 5/3/2023 at 7:20 PM, AKCheesehead said:

Something that occurred to me yesterday was the potential for stadium music shenanigans with Jordan Love as our QB.  At home, there's no end to the love themed songs they could play.  O'Jays Love Train, Beatles All You Need is Love come to mind.  On the road, I wonder if anyone will go for J Geils Love Stinks. Or if he takes a tough hit, maybe Nazareth's Love Hurts. 

Meanwhile in NY, they are playing, "What's Love got to do with it?"

[patrickgpe]

Packers 2023 schedule was leaked a head of this evenings releases.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-schedule-leaks-packers-entire-schedule-appears-to-have-leaked-ahead-of-official-thursday-release/

 

a lot more national TV love than I thought. I'm sure the Milwaukee season ticket holders are excited that they get a Thursday game and Sunday night game. 

[OldHeidelberg]

29 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Packers 2023 schedule was leaked a head of this evenings releases.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-schedule-leaks-packers-entire-schedule-appears-to-have-leaked-ahead-of-official-thursday-release/

 

a lot more national TV love than I thought. I'm sure the Milwaukee season ticket holders are excited that they get a Thursday game and Sunday night game. 

Not this gold package holder. If that is true that is the second straight year they stuck us with the Thursday night game. Sunday night is ok but almost everyone I know who goes to games prefers Sunday afternoon games. I think this will be my last year as ticket holder, probably cheaper to just go to the games I want on stub hub anyway.

 

 

 

[HarryDoyle]

2 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

Packers 2023 schedule was leaked a head of this evenings releases.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/2023-nfl-schedule-leaks-packers-entire-schedule-appears-to-have-leaked-ahead-of-official-thursday-release/

 

a lot more national TV love than I thought. I'm sure the Milwaukee season ticket holders are excited that they get a Thursday game and Sunday night game. 

I thought the fifth home game was part of the Milwaukee package. That would be the Chargers game.

[young guns]

Not a fan of the week 6 bye, though with love it might be a good thing as he can get some games under his belt and then have a breather and if he needs it, have some time to make adjustments before it gets too deep into the season.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Schedule plays out like the Packers could really get off to a good start if Love is ready to start - toughest stretch really is mid-November through Mid-December.

 

 

[stoutdude04]

23 hours ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Not this gold package holder. If that is true that is the second straight year they stuck us with the Thursday night game. Sunday night is ok but almost everyone I know who goes to games prefers Sunday afternoon games. I think this will be my last year as ticket holder, probably cheaper to just go to the games I want on stub hub anyway.

 

 

 

How do they decide which games the gold package gets?

[young guns]

2 minutes ago, stoutdude04 said:

How do they decide which games the gold package gets?

A Google search says its the 2nd and 5th home game.  Which would put them as week 4 lions and week 11 chargers.

[stoutdude04]

Just now, young guns said:

A Google search says its the 2nd and 5th home game.  Which would put them as week 4 lions and week 11 chargers.

Right on.  Thanks for looking that up.  I wasn't sure if that was accurate or not, so I thought I'd ask to be sure.

[MrTPlush]

20 hours ago, young guns said:

Not a fan of the week 6 bye, though with love it might be a good thing as he can get some games under his belt and then have a breather and if he needs it, have some time to make adjustments before it gets too deep into the season.

Hard to get too invested in the schedule when it is likely a developmental year with Love. 

[areacodes]

Packers adding a safety.

 

[GAME05]

Don't know him. Should I be excited or worried?

[nate82]

17 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

Don't know him. Should I be excited or worried?

As a former manager of mine would say “Yes”?

[MrTPlush]

48 minutes ago, GAME05 said:

Don't know him. Should I be excited or worried?

Worried for an unnecessary amount of Simone Biles mentions next year? Yes

As a player? He is decent. 

[homer]

On 5/11/2023 at 10:51 PM, Fear The Chorizo said:

Schedule plays out like the Packers could really get off to a good start if Love is ready to start - toughest stretch really is mid-November through Mid-December.

 

 

Agreed. I think GB has a pretty soft schedule but that four week stretch with Chargers, Lions, Chiefs, and Giants will probably tilt the season one way or the other.

[CheezWizHed]

On 5/13/2023 at 8:47 AM, homer said:

Agreed. I think GB has a pretty soft schedule but that four week stretch with Chargers, Lions, Chiefs, and Giants will probably tilt the season one way or the other.

Do you mean "tilt the season one way" as in making the playoffs? 

Personally, I have a hard time seeing this offense being a playoff bound one unless Love is just awesome or the defense is top 5. Rodger's first year starting the Packers went 6-10, throwing for over 4000 yards with Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones as his top 4 WRs.  Grant ran for over 1200 yards that year.  Granted, I think we have better TEs even as rookies than having Donald Lee and a very green Jermichael Finley. And the 2008 defense was somewhere around Barry's norm.  

I guess, I'm expecting somewhere around the same: 6 wins.

[homer]

6 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Do you mean "tilt the season one way" as in making the playoffs? 

Personally, I have a hard time seeing this offense being a playoff bound one unless Love is just awesome or the defense is top 5. Rodger's first year starting the Packers went 6-10, throwing for over 4000 yards with Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones as his top 4 WRs.  Grant ran for over 1200 yards that year.  Granted, I think we have better TEs even as rookies than having Donald Lee and a very green Jermichael Finley. And the 2008 defense was somewhere around Barry's norm.  

I guess, I'm expecting somewhere around the same: 6 wins.

Tilt as in a good season or bad season. To me 9 wins is a good season and probably a playoff berth. Sportsbooks have the O/U on total wins at 7.5

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, homer said:

Tilt as in a good season or bad season. To me 9 wins is a good season and probably a playoff berth. Sportsbooks have the O/U on total wins at 7.5

I guess my expectations are lower. To me a winning season is Love looking like a good QB and our WRs/TEs showing growth.  This squad has more upside than last year's team, but a long way (like a year or two) to go to realize it and a much lower floor than last year. 

[homer]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

I guess my expectations are lower. To me a winning season is Love looking like a good QB and our WRs/TEs showing growth.  This squad has more upside than last year's team, but a long way (like a year or two) to go to realize it and a much lower floor than last year. 

Yeah for sure there is potential for a lot of variance in the record. Could go 5 - 11 (excuse me, 5 - 12). I think 8 or 9 wins is a reasonable goal though.

[Fear The Chorizo]

5 hours ago, homer said:

Tilt as in a good season or bad season. To me 9 wins is a good season and probably a playoff berth. Sportsbooks have the O/U on total wins at 7.5

They get the Bears twice, the NFC South (which at this point all 4 look bad, but I guess someone will have to win that division), and neither the Lions or Vikings strike me as teams set to take a stranglehold on the division next year.  Defensively I think they'll be good enough to have shots at winning low scoring games early on against teams that aren't going to set the world on fire offensively themselves.  The way their schedule is structured I can see them stacking a bunch of wins early before they get smacked around a bit in November, then looking like a playoff threat as the season winds down in December/January.  Green Bay still has alot of talent on their roster, and if Love is decent I think this team is going to surprise alot of national pundits who assumed it's been all Rodgers for the past few seasons.

To me, assuming reasonable health it'd be a disappointment for them not to win 10 games with their schedule.  Definitely will see some growing pains as there's a huge influx of young players cycling into the depth chart - but they remind me alot of the team after Rodgers' 1st full season as the Packers' starter that was a solid wild card squad but had a few key holes on the roster that got exploited by playoff-caliber teams.

[LouisEly]

10 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Do you mean "tilt the season one way" as in making the playoffs? 

Personally, I have a hard time seeing this offense being a playoff bound one unless Love is just awesome or the defense is top 5. Rodger's first year starting the Packers went 6-10, throwing for over 4000 yards with Jennings, Driver, Nelson, and Jones as his top 4 WRs.  Grant ran for over 1200 yards that year.  Granted, I think we have better TEs even as rookies than having Donald Lee and a very green Jermichael Finley. And the 2008 defense was somewhere around Barry's norm.  

I guess, I'm expecting somewhere around the same: 6 wins.

One big difference between now and then is that back in 2008, league-wide the QBs were much better than now.  Teams are so desperate now that anyone who has a strong arm goes top-10 in the draft.  There are a lot of other mediocre QBs in the league now - Love won't be worse than most of them.  In 2008, Anthony Richardson is a 2nd/3rd round pick, not #4 overall.  Also, in 2008, Aaron Kampman was the Packers best pass-rushing threat followed by Mike Montgomery and Johnny Jolly and Ryan Pickett were your interior DL.  There's a reason why the Packers took Raji and Matthews in the first round in 2009.  They were 5th in the league in points scored in 2008, 22nd in points against.

By the time the schedule gets tough, Gary and Stokes should be back.  A front six of Van Ness, Wyatt, Clark, Gary, Walker, and Campbell with Alexander and Stokes at corner will give the offense a lot of opportunities to score.

[brewcrewdue80]

I agree the defense should put more pressure on QBs. More pressure means more QBs making quick and at times poor decisions throwing the ball or bad throws on the run.  The secondary will have more opportunities to make interceptions if they can catch the damn ball. That is giving the offense better field position and more chances to have a scoring outcome(if these aren't pick 6s 😁)

The worry is how does Love react to pressure himself. Has he learned in 3 years to get rid of the ball and avoid taking hits? Will he run with the ball and slide or take hits? How well does his body respond to the hits, or is he soft and by week 5 his season is over? Can the O-line keep him upright consistently? 

I'm expecting to see a lot of screens out in the flats to WRs or TEs lined up 3 to a side this season. You've got guys with probably enough wiggle to make the 1st guy miss, and if the blocking is sustained they'll take 6-9yd chunks, where you hope Jones/Dillon turn in to 1st downs if the play didn't get them a 1st to begin with.

If Love starts 16 games or all 17 games, I think it's a failure if they don't win 9games this season. 10 of he starts all 17.  Obviously that can be adjusted if the defense suffers multiple injuries to key guys like Gary's impact did. And no team plays a full season without losing at least 1 top 8 player on it for numerous games.

Think GB's history is filled with these losses before week 4.