NL Central Discussion

[82brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

If there was any doubt about the Cardinals and their priorities…They’re donezo 

Specifically Mr. Wainwright.

[Brewcrew82]

3 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

Specifically Mr. Wainwright.

Both

[Frisbee Slider]

Wainwright ERA nearly 8 and WHIP nearly 2. How many more starts does he have left?

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Wainwright ERA nearly 8 and WHIP nearly 2. How many more starts does he have left?

As many as it takes to get him his 200 wins lol

[Jake McKibbin]

13 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

If there was any doubt about the Cardinals and their priorities…They’re donezo 

Let's hope Waino is still throwing by the time we play them next

[Frisbee Slider]

Marlins really taking it to the Cardinals, again. 
 

I am also hopeful the Nationals have favorable matchup tonight against Reds.

[nate82]

3 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Marlins really taking it to the Cardinals, again. 

The Cardinals are not a good team overall.  Bad pitching and bad defense with a good offense.  Where have we seen this before?  It is like the Cardinals copied the Brewers team construction during the early Melvin years.

[homer]

The Cardinals lose in excruciating fashion. Ya hate to see it.

[owbc]

17 hours ago, nate82 said:

The Cardinals are not a good team overall.  Bad pitching and bad defense with a good offense.  Where have we seen this before?  It is like the Cardinals copied the Brewers team construction during the early Melvin years.

They have been failing the eye test since April. I'm still waiting for someone to confess that Yadi was actually managing the Cardinals for the entire 2010s. It's only a matter of time until an "anonymous former teammate" admits it to some reporter...

[KeithStone53151]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

They have been failing the eye test since April. I'm still waiting for someone to confess that Yadi was actually managing the Cardinals for the entire 2010s. It's only a matter of time until an "anonymous former teammate" admits it to some reporter...

I would say moreso I think Yadi got so much more out of the pitching staff than probably anyone else possibly could...which also helped hide the defensive woes a bit.

[homer]

 

 

[Playing Catch]

39 minutes ago, homer said:

 

 

Wow. That is a sweet, but scary tweet. What a successful organization. I hate them so much.

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, homer said:

 

 

Where’s the 2011 team on that list that they constantly get compared to? I’m struggling to find it. 

[82brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, homer said:

 

 

So this is one of the very worst teams in Cardinals history.  Cool.

[igor67]

I just wished my grandpa was still around so I could ask him about what it was like when the Cards were bad all the time.

[rickh150]

8 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Where’s the 2011 team on that list that they constantly get compared to? I’m struggling to find it. 

Thanks for bringing this up… almost forgot.

Good ol Fangraphs has the Cards odds at 5.7% to make the playoffs…. Still about 4 times more likely to make the playoffs than that 2011 Cards team you are bringing up again on Sept. 1. That team went on to win the WS.

[sveumrules]

I’m honestly happy for Reds fans. They haven’t been to the playoffs after a full season since 2013, and that was a one & done Wild Card. Their only winning full season since then was going 83-79 for their “all-in” 2019. From 2014-22 only the Tigers and Marlins won fewer games in all of MLB.

They’ve been bad for a long time, they should be stocked with young talent and starting to finally come out of it.

Brewers fans have been living the high life by comparison, from 2017 through today they have won the 7th most games in MLB.

But that 2018 NLCS was a long time ago, and the 2021 NLDS offense has returned for the 2023 regular season.

Stearns & Hader are gone, Woody is hurt, Peralta, Burnes & Adames are underperforming to varying degrees, some think Counsell has one foot out the door.

It’s definitely looking like twilight for this (still pretty young) old core, but Milwaukee is the kind of town where the fun really starts happening when the sun goes down, so maybe they can still brew up one last batch of Oktoberfest.

[Brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

I’m honestly happy for Reds fans. They haven’t been to the playoffs after a full season since 2013, and that was a one & done Wild Card. Their only winning full season since then was going 83-79 for their “all-in” 2019. From 2014-22 only the Tigers and Marlins won fewer games in all of MLB.

They’ve been bad for a long time, they should be stocked with young talent and starting to finally come out of it.

Brewers fans have been living the high life by comparison, from 2017 through today they have won the 7th most games in MLB.

But that 2018 NLCS was a long time ago, and the 2021 NLDS offense has returned for the 2023 regular season.

Stearns & Hader are gone, Woody is hurt, Peralta, Burnes & Adames are underperforming to varying degrees, some think Counsell has one foot out the door.

It’s definitely looking like twilight for this (still pretty young) old core, but Milwaukee is the kind of town where the fun really starts happening when the sun goes down, so maybe they can still brew up one last batch of Oktoberfest.

One thing about the Reds is almost all of their hitters are significantly outperforming their xStats. Friedl (.370 WOBA vs. .294 XWOBA), De La Cruz (.384 vs. 296), Votto (.380 vs. .331), Steer (.376 vs. .342), McClain (.378 vs. .348) among the biggest culprits. Some of those are particularly crazy and are due for a course correction in the 2nd half. They're probably still an above average to well above average offense, but not near the levels we've seen over the past couple weeks. 

[82brewcrew82]

4 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Thanks for bringing this up… almost forgot.

Good ol Fangraphs has the Cards odds at 5.7% to make the playoffs…. Still about 4 times more likely to make the playoffs than that 2011 Cards team you are bringing up again on Sept. 1. That team went on to win the WS.

Those odds seem to be dropping like a rock.  Cardinals are, and have been, done.

[StearnsFTW]

On 7/4/2023 at 1:35 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

If there was any doubt about the Cardinals and their priorities…They’re donezo 

There never was any doubt in my mind.

They've looked like a borderline 100 loss team all season.  

[areacodes]

21 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Thanks for bringing this up… almost forgot.

Good ol Fangraphs has the Cards odds at 5.7% to make the playoffs…. Still about 4 times more likely to make the playoffs than that 2011 Cards team you are bringing up again on Sept. 1. That team went on to win the WS.

That 2011 team is an outlier. Repeatedly using it isn’t helping your argument the way you think it is.

[YelichPosse]

38 minutes ago, areacodes said:

That 2011 team is an outlier. Repeatedly using it isn’t helping your argument the way you think it is.

That 2011 team on September 1st was 9 games over .500 as well, so .. yea not all stats are created the same, it was still a "good" team. This year's Cardinals team, is not good, by any stretch of the imagination - and only reason they have a higher playoff probability is the higher amount of games left and their original projections.
I, for one am glad they are out of the way for once barring a miracle... time to talk about and worry about the upstart Reds.... that is a team we should be worried most about - youth - as unpredictable as it can be - can just not know any better on how they are supposed to fade.. lol. 

[areacodes]

3 hours ago, YelichPosse said:

That 2011 team on September 1st was 9 games over .500 as well, so .. yea not all stats are created the same, it was still a "good" team. This year's Cardinals team, is not good, by any stretch of the imagination - and only reason they have a higher playoff probability is the higher amount of games left and their original projections.
I, for one am glad they are out of the way for once barring a miracle... time to talk about and worry about the upstart Reds.... that is a team we should be worried most about - youth - as unpredictable as it can be - can just not know any better on how they are supposed to fade.. lol. 

On top of that, they were chasing only 1 team (Braves) who went 9-18 in September, losing their last 5 games and 8 of their last 10.

As much as the Cardinals did to come back and take that playoff spot, the Braves equaled, if not exceeded, it with their collapse.

[rickh150]

4 hours ago, areacodes said:

That 2011 team is an outlier. Repeatedly using it isn’t helping your argument the way you think it is.

Huh? I agree with fangraphs…saying it’s like a 1 in 20 chance that Cards could still make the playoffs…. Highly unlikely.  Others are more like 1 in 100 or 1000… so be it.  And then there are a few pridefuls that say there is a 0% chance …. And then when pushed just a little, they immediately abandon their claim and refute that by agreeing that mathematically, of course, that is not accurate. How is my position on this abnormal or unreasonable at all? 
The 2011 thing happened. You calling it an outlier… yep, I agree. Of course. Crazy odds. This, much more possible, but still extremely unlikely.

 

 

[rickh150]

12 minutes ago, areacodes said:

On top of that, they were chasing only 1 team (Braves) who went 9-18 in September, losing their last 5 games and 8 of their last 10.

As much as the Cardinals did to come back and take that playoff spot, the Braves equaled, if not exceeded, it with their collapse.

Great points… not sure why this adds to whatever you are trying to do. That Braves team was 80-55 on Sept. 1……25 games over .500….they then collapse and go 9-18. Crazy. Very unlikely scenarios of a good Cards team getting crazy hot and another very good team getting crazy cold… thus the 1 in 100 odds.  Yep, one team to catch, but one team that was 25 games over .500!!!
Today, the Cards odds are 3 or 4 times more likely STILL to make the playoffs. Some acting like it is absolutely over…. Like 1 in a million… still boggles me. More like 1 in 25….1 in 30. Do I think this will happen? No.
 

But crazier things have happened….2011 is just one example. Thinking about it, I wonder if the Cards odds of winning World Series Game 6 was EVEN less than this scenerio when they were down by 3 with two outs in the 9th and nobody on… anybody remember that game? Rangers were so close to victory.