How Will The Bonus Pool Be Split (The Signing Thread)

[JCREW]

37 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

That obviously will likely preclude any high-profile 11-20 signings unless those guys take less than $2MM each.

 

I’m starting to wonder if grabbing a bunch of HS talent in the later rounds was insurance against one of the bigger names not signing. That is, if Pratt or Bitonti doesn’t sign, then they have a worthwhile place to invest 2MM

[jay87shot]

What is the amount for 11-20 rounders that starts to count against the bonus. Was it 150k?

[Jake McKibbin]

36 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

What is the amount for 11-20 rounders that starts to count against the bonus. Was it 150k?

Yep, can spend 150k base line, anything over that counts against the bonus pool

[Playing Catch]

150k is a significant increase from 50k. Probably enough to entice a number of high schoolers who don't relish the idea of going to college, OR entice those that want to pay for college.

[JCREW]

12 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

150k is a significant increase from 50k. Probably enough to entice a number of high schoolers who don't relish the idea of going to college, OR entice those that want to pay for college.

I wonder how much of that increase has to do with the fact that college kids can make money on NIL deals now.

[Fear The Chorizo]

33 minutes ago, JCREW said:

I wonder how much of that increase has to do with the fact that college kids can make money on NIL deals now.

probably not much at all - most of the prep baseball talent that would actually make anything with an NIL deal in college are going to be 1st round bonus babies.  Outside of football and basketball, the only other college/h.s. athletes making bank with NIL deals are doing so because of being eye candy or because their dad is among the best basketball players ever.

[wiguy94]

Don’t have the money details yet but all the guys round 7-10 signed today and the 2 4-year college guys in rounds 11-20 signed as well. 

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

14 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Don’t have the money details yet but all the guys round 7-10 signed today and the 2 4-year college guys in rounds 11-20 signed as well. 

 

Good to see Wichrowski and Timmerman given they have had some surprising 11-20 non-signings in past years.

[LouisEly]

27 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Don’t have the money details yet but all the guys round 7-10 signed today and the 2 4-year college guys in rounds 11-20 signed as well. 

 

 

[JCREW]

There’s an unfortunate oddity that I hadn’t thought of until now. 
 

If I was  a college senior, it would be way better to go in round 11 than in round 10. 
 

In round 10, the team has lots of incentive to go as far under slot as possible. 
 

In round 11, the team can hand me $150k and not sweat it. 

[Robocaller]

51 minutes ago, JCREW said:

There’s an unfortunate oddity that I hadn’t thought of until now. 
 

If I was  a college senior, it would be way better to go in round 11 than in round 10. 
 

In round 10, the team has lots of incentive to go as far under slot as possible. 
 

In round 11, the team can hand me $150k and not sweat it. 

Maybe? 
They can't make up a ton of money with a 10th round pick, like they can with earlier picks. 

[Robocaller]

On 7/17/2023 at 6:22 PM, JimH5 said:

I can't understand why any player would sign for less than their slot value.  It will be such a long time before they have any negotiating leverage.

If a team doesn't take him, he'll obviously fall one to many slots.  I can't understand why a team couldn't extract a reduced bonus of at least one slot later.  When it's more than that, the player/agent must anticipate falling much later if not selected by that team.

[patrickgpe]

The Brewers entire draft strategy confuses me this year. It seems like they drafted underslot for 5 rounds, only to try to throw a ton of money at Pratt and some day 3 guys.  Pratt is actually their second highest ranked draftee according to MLB.com. I would assume they didn't think he would be around so late, but I don't remember so many underslot guys being taken in the early rounds for the brewers. 

[Jake McKibbin]

18 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

The Brewers entire draft strategy confuses me this year. It seems like they drafted underslot for 5 rounds, only to try to throw a ton of money at Pratt and some day 3 guys.  Pratt is actually their second highest ranked draftee according to MLB.com. I would assume they didn't think he would be around so late, but I don't remember so many underslot guys being taken in the early rounds for the brewers. 

Also Eric Bitonti (who they apparently have good relations with)

And they haven't gone massively undeerslot, I really like Knoth, and Wilken has a massive upside if he can develop an opposite field approach of sorts.

I like it, they've got a lot of potential in the system if they sign 1-10

[patrickgpe]

@Jake McKibbinI know it they haven't gone massively underslot. Also I am happy they are finally addressing a large organizational weakness at corner IF, which I am happy about.

[Jake McKibbin]

Just now, patrickgpe said:

@Jake McKibbinI know it they haven't gone massively underslot. Also I am happy they are finally addressing a large organizational weakness at corner IF, which I am happy about.

Also, I'm convinced Josh Knoth was underrated by the scouts, it seems his fastball velo took a massive jump this Spring but most reports had him 90-92 mph rather than 94/95 topping at 98 mph

It'll be interesting how it pans out, but seems to be an approach similar to the Brewers in the international market, picking up several top 30 guys rather than one superstar

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, patrickgpe said:

The Brewers entire draft strategy confuses me this year. It seems like they drafted underslot for 5 rounds, only to try to throw a ton of money at Pratt and some day 3 guys.  Pratt is actually their second highest ranked draftee according to MLB.com. I would assume they didn't think he would be around so late, but I don't remember so many underslot guys being taken in the early rounds for the brewers. 

HS players are the hardest to project, but can have the highest upside.  At one point earlier this year, on MLB.com's top 100 prospect list you had to go down to at least #17 before you found a player who was drafted out of college.  The top 16 were drafted out of HS or an international FA signed at age 16. 

So take a bunch of HS players, throw them up against the wall, and see who sticks.  That's kind of what they did with Knoth, Bitonti, and Pratt (and to a lesser extent, Birchard, as he was still 19 on draft day).

[dtet]

And the Brewers were the only team to send scouts to see Knoth?? Before he shut himself down for his team's playoffs?

 

https://greaterlongisland.com/patchogue-medfords-josh-knoth-signs-2m-deal-with-milwaukee/

[ClosetBrewerFan]

22 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

150k is a significant increase from 50k. Probably enough to entice a number of high schoolers who don't relish the idea of going to college, OR entice those that want to pay for college.

Its been $125k the last few years, so its an increase of $25k this year.  But you ae right, $150k is a lot of money.  It would not be surprising for a high schooler to accept $150k as the bonus (and no hit to the Brewers bonus pool).  Kay-Lan Nicasio signed for $125k out of high school in 2021.

[Playing Catch]

I have a completely unsubstantiated theory that the Brewers have become a destination club for players. A good reputation throughout the scouting/agent world. If true, Player X may decide to take a small discount to play for the Brewers instead of a club that has a lousy reputation.

Presumably the Brewers wouldn't be the ONLY such club. Obviously, the Yankees, Dodgers, Astros, etc. also have excellent reputations, but those teams, too, would be more likely to stash you in the minors as long as possible.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Also, I'm convinced Josh Knoth was underrated by the scouts, it seems his fastball velo took a massive jump this Spring but most reports had him 90-92 mph rather than 94/95 topping at 98 mph

It'll be interesting how it pans out, but seems to be an approach similar to the Brewers in the international market, picking up several top 30 guys rather than one superstar

Knoth was definitely a later bloomer that the industry didn't warm up to fast enough kind of similar to Misiorowski last season. I truly believe if Knoth was 6'3 or 6'4 that he would have been a locked in first round pick. The only knock on him is his size.

Also for what it is worth, Longenhagen from Fangraphs had Knoth top 30 in his draft rankings. Knoth, Wilken, and Pratt were all in the top 32 I believe.

[Playing Catch]

17-year-old pitchers from the Northeast haven't typically fared very well.

[wibadgers23]

 

[markedman5]

Bang!

[yfinn6]

Fantastic news. I'll be curious what the financials are. On paper this looks like a great draft for the Crew. Can't wait to get these guys going.