Luis Urias to the Red Sox

[sveumrules]

10 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Whose salary would it be? Chafin? Canha was paid down to the league minimum lol. But hey remember when our owner said adding salary at the deadline was not a problem. Urias stunk so I am not upset about the deal itself just the principle of things surrounding the money. 

Santana is about $2.4M remaining, Mets picked up his salary minus the min but Brewers are on the hook for Canha’s $2M buyout, Chafin is another $2.5M at about $1.8M left in salary plus a 725K buyout.

Sending out Urias saved about $1.6M.

[BrewerFan]

30 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Think that’s definitely part of it.

Change of scenery for Luis, get a talented arm back, offset some of the salary they acquired.

I don't think this was a salary dump at all. I think they were just looking forward, knew Urias would likely be non-tendered and tried to get something for him. You're saving 1.5M? 

That's nice, but I don't think that was really the impetus behind it. 

[BrewerFan]

19 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Whose salary would it be? Chafin? Canha was paid down to the league minimum lol. But hey remember when our owner said adding salary at the deadline was not a problem. Urias stunk so I am not upset about the deal itself just the principle of things surrounding the money. 

You're upset about the principle of things surrounding money? 

That's pretty much all of life. This is a strange comment to me. 

Now...with regard to the Brewers, I have absolutely no doubt the Brewers could and would have added salary. They tried trading for Eloy Jiminiez, but the White Sox, who wanted Jackson Holliday for Dylane Cease, were almost certainly asking for a massive haul in return.

The ~140 in total payroll the Brewers are sitting at right now does not represent some cheap owner just pocketing the money like Robert Nutting. But there are also just realities about what the Brewers can spend. I wish to hell that MLB had more foresight or owners in the large markets willing to sacrifice some earnings for the good of the league as a whole. I suspect MLB would be doing much better if you had the fiscal parity you have in the NFL...but we are where we are and things aren't changing.

 

So unless Menard buys the team and decides he doesn't care about money(which is generally NOT how you become worth ~20B dollars)...this isn't changing.

[wildcat2237]

1 hour ago, Oxy said:

Fangraphs had him at #17 in The Sox system BEFORE the season.

Also, Turang is a lefty with elite defense....a completely different role than Urias.  If the Brewers think Monasterio and/or Toro are just as good as Urias, well, it's an easy decision to offload him before non-tendering him.  He wasn't going to help us this year anyway.

Nailed it. He was a non-tender candidate this winter, so Arnold solved the problem ahead of time. 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

57 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

You're upset about the principle of things surrounding money? 

That's pretty much all of life. This is a strange comment to me. 

Now...with regard to the Brewers, I have absolutely no doubt the Brewers could and would have added salary. They tried trading for Eloy Jiminiez, but the White Sox, who wanted Jackson Holliday for Dylane Cease, were almost certainly asking for a massive haul in return.

The ~140 in total payroll the Brewers are sitting at right now does not represent some cheap owner just pocketing the money like Robert Nutting. But there are also just realities about what the Brewers can spend. I wish to hell that MLB had more foresight or owners in the large markets willing to sacrifice some earnings for the good of the league as a whole. I suspect MLB would be doing much better if you had the fiscal parity you have in the NFL...but we are where we are and things aren't changing.

 

So unless Menard buys the team and decides he doesn't care about money(which is generally NOT how you become worth ~20B dollars)...this isn't changing.

 At the time was more so meaning it is irritating that we have to move salary (even though it was deadweight) to fit in the relatively small additional payroll we added. I just feel like it is a direct contrast to Mark Attanasio's public quote. I am paraphrasing here but it went around the lines of "we're not afraid to add salary at the deadline"

Now after hearing from Arnold it seems like this wasn't a payroll motivated trade. We really like Blalock and I bet we will be aggressive moving him in the system and getting him in the lab. 

[markedman5]

Blalock is now our 15th ranked prospect per mlb pipeline 

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/brewers/

[umphrey]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Blalock is now our 15th ranked prospect per mlb pipeline 

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/brewers/

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

[liveforoctober]

2 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

Were you expecting a top 5 prospect return for Luis Urias?

[patrickgpe]

34 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

I would have angry if they traded 12 or 17 fwiw. We all have our prospects we value over others 

[CheeseheadInQC]

30 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

It will be interesting where he is after they truly update their rankings. If he is still 15 after that, with the likely upward climbs of Adams and Rodriguez and the addition of the draft picks, that will mean something. Regardless, it seems as if the Brewers got a higher ranked prospect for Urias than they gave up for Santana and Canha.

[sveumrules]

2 minutes ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

It will be interesting where he is after they truly update their rankings. If he is still 15 after that, with the likely upward climbs of Adams and Rodriguez and the addition of the draft picks, that will mean something. Regardless, it seems as if the Brewers got a higher ranked prospect for Urias than they gave up for Santana and Canha.

Depending how the season plays out, I’ll probably have him at the end of the Top 20 with Logan Henderson.

T2: Misio

T10: Gasser/Rodriguez/Knoth

T20: Henderson/Blalock

[markedman5]

I guess my take is he seems like more then just a lottery ticket type……which with Urias having a horrible season and a non tender candidate is more then I was expecting.

[nate82]

6 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

I guess my take is he seems like more then just a lottery ticket type……which with Urias having a horrible season and a non tender candidate is more then I was expecting.

I thought Urias was going to be traded but I thought it would have been the Nationals picking him up.  Value wise he is probably worth less than what the Brewers received.  Probably closer to $1mm in excess value or just a bit less.

[Bulldogboy]

Hiura has to be wondering what he has to do to get a ticket to a new organization. 

[nate82]

2 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Hiura has to be wondering what he has to do to get a ticket to a new organization. 

Strike out less than 25% of the time in AAA.  Probably would need to be in the teens in AAA for teams to take Hiura seriously.

[Jopal78]

6 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Hiura has to be wondering what he has to do to get a ticket to a new organization. 

Wait for the minor league season to end so he can be a minor league free agent

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Here is an article on Blalock indicating he has touched 99 in a June start.  Maybe the Brewers see an opportunity to get some more velocity out of him

[wildcat2237]

1 hour ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Here is an article on Blalock indicating he has touched 99 in a June start.  Maybe the Brewers see an opportunity to get some more velocity out of him

Yep. After doing a bit more research I am seeing Blalock as being a bit more than just a lottery ticket. 

[rickh150]

Urias made that catch, by the way.

[Jim French Stepstool]

6 hours ago, reillymcshane said:

I was always a fan of Urias. I thought he could be a .250-.260 hitter with 20 HR and solid defense at 2B and 3B. Something always held him back. Injuries, slumps, etc. This year was just a disaster. I’m guessing a change of scenery was needed. It seems clear the org no longer trusted him. Better get something now than just keep paying him for the year, and just non tender him in the offseason.

This is just about word-for-word the way I feel. I thought he could be.......maybe not a cornerstone, but a solid contributor that would settle in at 3B & be reliable with the glove & bat. He did not look good at any point this season, really. Short-term they trusted others. Long-term, I'd much rather have Turang.

The more I delve into Blalock, at the end of the day it looks like we received someone roughly a year behind Jarvis on the developmental ladder but with more upside. I also like that he's already gone through the TJ ordeal, too.

A final thought--Urias may wind up being serviceable in Boston. Maybe even more than serviceable. But that doesn't necessarily mean it would've happened for him here.

[Robocaller]

7 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Hiura has to be wondering what he has to do to get a ticket to a new organization. 

time to hire Gillooly.

[Robocaller]

Urias certainly had a greater chance to contribute in 2023, so Blaylock's value is in the future. The cost of that is that someone won't make the 40 man roster in the offseason because Blaylock will. 

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, umphrey said:

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

Not many people would miss a 19 year old hitting .310/.410 his first season in full season ball with plus speed, a plus arm, with an advanced glove who's a SS, but can play 3B and 2B due to his quickness, glove and arm?

 

I suppose if the people who wouldn't miss him don't really pay attention to our farm system. Would you also not miss Yophery Rodriguez? He's...what, 26th? Looks like he COULD easily be the next player to have meteoric rise?

I guess some people just look at the ranking and some look at the tools, age and how they're performing while factoring those two things into the equation. Guilarte was exactly the type of player I did NOT want to see traded for a mediocre prospect. 

[umphrey]

29 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Not many people would miss a 19 year old hitting .310/.410 his first season in full season ball with plus speed, a plus arm, with an advanced glove who's a SS, but can play 3B and 2B due to his quickness, glove and arm?

 

I suppose if the people who wouldn't miss him don't really pay attention to our farm system. Would you also not miss Yophery Rodriguez? He's...what, 26th? Looks like he COULD easily be the next player to have meteoric rise?

I guess some people just look at the ranking and some look at the tools, age and how they're performing while factoring those two things into the equation. Guilarte was exactly the type of player I did NOT want to see traded for a mediocre prospect. 

I said most people because I knew there would be a small minority overly attached to a 19 year old with 190 PAs in single A. I don't want to derail this thread too much, my point was to put the shiny new toy in perspective by comparing him to guys in our system that we know with similar value. 

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, umphrey said:

I said most people because I knew there would be a small minority overly attached to a 19 year old with 190 PAs in single A. I don't want to derail this thread too much, my point was to put the shiny new toy in perspective by comparing him to guys in our system that we know with similar value. 

 

10 hours ago, umphrey said:

Hard to get excited about that. Not many people would have missed 14 or 16 if we traded them away. 

It sounds like you're saying most people, not because you knew there would be people who were "overly attached to a 19 year old with 190 PAs in single A," but rather because you wanted to express your...general pessimism over the quality of the player we got back. 

 

And why we were "overly attached?" Because I said I'd miss Guilarte? I mentioned him on more than one occasion as a player in particular I'd NOT want to see traded as those are the exact type of prospects who are 

1-underrated due to their age, and 
2-Who have very high ceilings due to their particular sets of tools.

 

But sure, there's a small group of people paying attention to these prospect(though I still find the "overly attached" to be a bit backhanded or snide).