Update: Brandon Woodruff is non-tendered.

[jay87shot]

What would Woody's trade value be? Maybe a couple lotto ticket prospect teenagers? A prospect like the 2B Oliver Dunne we just got?

[LouisEly]

A trade makes the most sense.  Too bad that PTBNLs need to be named within six months of the trade; a PTBNL contingent on pitching in the majors or minors by a certain date might make sense, but he's probably not going to be pitching by 5/16.

[Outlander]

21 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

What would Woody's trade value be? Maybe a couple lotto ticket prospect teenagers? A prospect like the 2B Oliver Dunne we just got?

I would say zero trade value but we will likely find out within a couple of hours.

[Thurston Fluff]

2 hours ago, brewers888 said:

If Woodruff is non tendered a big money team like the Dodgers or Mets will bank on his upside and sign him for far more than we would be willing to give.

So? We have to operate like the money spent on him is a bonus if everything pans out, not something we rely on to fill a need.

[nate82]

With multiple teams being involved that could be just 2 it may mean he has some value.  How much is probably unknown but there is some value there.  I think it is more than AAAA type of a player but we won't know until the trade does or doesn't happen.  I am hoping for a 2-year agreement but that is looking less and less likely. 

[MrTPlush]

10 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Woody will either sign a multiple year deal or be non tendered... What does everyone think is going to be the outcome?

This is far from the only outcomes. Arby salaries aren’t guaranteed, so the Brewers can tender him a contract today with little risk and not do anything for months.

However, reading between the lines, I’m guessing he isn’t going to be a Brewer in the future. If they wanted to give him a deal, it probably would have happened by now. If he gets tendered a contract the Brewers believe a team will trade for him. The team that trades for him can then agree to a deal that overrides what would have been a one year arby deal. They are not forced to rush and figure out a trade today. A trade would likely be long and complicated as it would need Woodruff to agree to what the acquiring team wants to give him. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

This is far from the only outcomes. Arby salaries aren’t guaranteed, so the Brewers can tender him a contract today with little risk and not do anything for months.

However, reading between the lines, I’m guessing he isn’t going to be a Brewer in the future. If they wanted to give him a deal, it probably would have happened by now. If he gets tendered a contract the Brewers believe a team will trade for him. The team that trades for him can then agree to a deal that overrides what would have been a one year arby deal. They are not forced to rush and figure out a trade today. A trade would likely be long and complicated as it would need Woodruff to agree to what the acquiring team wants to give him. 

I think the new CBA in 2022 had a stipulation that for players who settled with their teams on a salary for the year without going to a hearing would receive full season termination pay even if released prior to the start of the season....what I take that to mean is that if the Brewers do tender Woodruff in a couple hours, Woodruff could simply accept that tender and be guaranteed that salary for 2024 no matter what happens with his health or any future trade.

I do agree that there isn't necessarily a rush to have to trade Woodruff at this point - the Brewers have plenty of room on their 40 man, too....however tendering Woodruff would in effect guarantee him at least some level of compensation by the Brewers to potentially contribute nothing at the MLB level in 2024 and walk in free agency.

[patrickgpe]

It’s 6pm, which is the deadline, does that mean he was non-tendered?

[wibadgers23]

16 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

It’s 6pm, which is the deadline, does that mean he was non-tendered?

I think the deadline is 7pm CST.

[torts]

[Jake McKibbin]

51 minutes ago, torts said:

Well we got our answer .. that's so rough, I think most of all I just hate that woody is put in this position with this injury at this specific time. He didn't deserve that, but the Brewers can't be stupid with money because of emotions. It just can't work that way

[Axman59]

Non-tendering Woodruff was the right thing to do.

[RobertCrawley]

1 hour ago, Axman59 said:

Non-tendering Woodruff was the right thing to do.

Unfortunately yes.

[Matt Breen]

I'm not surprised this happened, but it saddens me. I liked Woodruff. It was fun to see him blossom into a good pitcher. Best of luck to him.

[SeaBass]

Oh well. It'll be fun to watch Woody's comeback after he gets signed by the Cubs.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Brewcrew82]

Hell of a Brewer. Hope he comes back, but if he doesn't he'll always be a Brewer. 

[SeaBass]

A moment that will live forever in Brewers fan's memories. Godspeed, sir.

 

[titletownking]

This organization gets harder to root for every single year. They’re never winning a World Series. 

[Brewcrew82]

25 minutes ago, titletownking said:

This organization gets harder to root for every single year. They’re never winning a World Series. 

Because they don't want to pay $12 million to a guy to not pitch for one season? This organization has made its share of mistakes (though fewer than at any time in its history over the past 7-8 years), but between this, Bauers/Toro trades, etc. people are grasping at straws just to hate on MA here. It's getting so irritating. 

[bigred]

2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

Oh well. It'll be fun to watch Woody's comeback after he gets signed by the Cubs.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

You're probably right. 🤣

[bigred]

45 minutes ago, titletownking said:

This organization gets harder to root for every single year. They’re never winning a World Series. 

Sadly, I tend to agree. Attanasio has been straight up gaslighting our fan base for at least a few years now. 

[sveumrules]

34 minutes ago, bigred said:

Sadly, I tend to agree. Attanasio has been straight up gaslighting our fan base for at least a few years now. 

The last few years? The Brewers 273-213 record (.562 W%) is the 6th best in MLB over the last three years. They won the division twice the last few years.

Their record over the last six years (487-384 | .559 W%) is right there with the run from 1978-83 (518-400 | .564 W%) for the best multi year run in franchise history.

That constitutes gaslighting?

The three years before he bought the team they went 191-294 (.394 W%). The six years before he bought the team they went 406-564 (.418 W%). The twenty one years before he bought the team they went 1548-1783 (.465 W%).

[Axman59]

1 hour ago, titletownking said:

This organization gets harder to root for every single year. They’re never winning a World Series. 

That might be true. But non-tendering a guy slated to get paid something like $11 million to not throw a pitch for the team in 2024 is not evidence supporting the assertion.

[yourout]

11 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Because they don't want to pay $12 million to a guy to not pitch for one season? This organization has made its share of mistakes (though fewer than at any time in its history over the past 7-8 years), but between this, Bauers/Toro trades, etc. people are grasping at straws just to hate on MA here. It's getting so irritating. 

It would be nice to be an organization that could swallow 11 million dollars and not bat an eye but that's just not the case with the Brewers and simple economics say so.

[wiguy94]

31 minutes ago, yourout said:

It would be nice to be an organization that could swallow 11 million dollars and not bat an eye but that's just not the case with the Brewers and simple economics say so.

It also appears that nobody was willing to do it otherwise the Brewers would have traded Woodruff to whatever team was willing to tender him. That means this wasn't just a Brewers thing.