2024 NFL Discussion Thread

[OldHeidelberg]

I didn't catch it until watching highlights today but Davante caught TD #100(and 101), a big number that likely cements him in Canton and the Ring of Honor. Will be interesting to see what happens next for him, he wants a ring and his next team is likely his last chance.

[HarveysWBs]

17 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I didn't catch it until watching highlights today but Davante caught TD #100(and 101), a big number that likely cements him in Canton and the Ring of Honor. Will be interesting to see what happens next for him, he wants a ring and his next team is likely his last chance.

If he’s ring chasing, and takes a lesser deal, you gotta think Kansas City puts on the green eyeshades and tries to figure out the numbers.

Who else is that close and could use him? Not Detroit, they’re pretty much set at pass catcher. The 49ers seem like they’re always in on everybody, but they have to make a decision on Purdy soon and their roster is getting expensive already. Maybe Philly? Don’t know their cap situation, but could be a dynamite pairing with Brown.

I don’t want to see the Packers play him, so I’m hoping he goes AFC. Maybe he likes the Chargers chances, or Miami, or something. He’d be a great addition for Buffalo, how much scarier could that offense get?

[OldHeidelberg]

The Chargers would seem like a good fit. Betting on Harbough getting them over the top is as good a chance as most and they could use a #1. They have the QB and of course Adams is a California guy.

[HarryDoyle]

The problem is the Chargers are consistently the most underachieving team in the NFL.

[young guns]

I never thought I'd see a uniform I detest more than our all whites, yet the Vikings all whites are currently accosting my eyes.  It's not even because I hate the franchise, because these uniforms are making me feel sorry for their fans!😭

[HarryDoyle]

I hope we don't treat the Bears game week 18 as a bye week even if we have nothing to play for.

[CheezWizHed]

12 hours ago, young guns said:

I never thought I'd see a uniform I detest more than our all whites, yet the Vikings all whites are currently accosting my eyes.  It's not even because I hate the franchise, because these uniforms are making me feel sorry for their fans!😭

Yeah, I hate the all-white uniforms (the Packer's version too).  Granted... it was still better than the purple. 😏

[OldHeidelberg]

I know Rodgers seems to be campaigning to return in 25 lately but I wonder if his and Cousins play this season might mean the end to vet QB's getting big money. In fact, maybe there is a small shift away from everything being about the QB. Vikings are getting great play for like 12 million out of Darnold, Packers and Lions QB's are among highest paid but both seem better as more complimentary players on well balanced offenses than guys who put the team on their backs. Until this season's team collapse Purdy was doing the same. Dallas, Cinci, Jax, Mia, jets all out of it with high paid QB's. I am not saying we are going to see QB salaries drop but maybe we are reaching the top of how much cap teams are willing to invest in one position?     

[kestrel79]

I actually liked the Packers whites over the Vikings. Both could be better with just a little bit more color. If ours had a yellow stripe on the helmet I think it would help. Obviously colored or striped socks as well. But the Vikings was almost too white, no contrast with the horn being white on the helmet as well.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Catching up on the last couple pages: 

Rodgers play hasn't been bad this year. His demise is greatly exaggerated on a very bad team. He may not be the MVP QB he was, but IMO he is still in the top half of the league. As someone who unfortunately watched too many Jets games, he is still throwing dimes on a weekly basis. It's been a bad year. There have so many bizarre moments where he throws a great pass only to have it bounce in the air or something and get taken back for a TD. He has, at times, made worse throws than we are used to. That is always a byproduct of losing, frustration, and trying to make something happen.

That said, he's 41. I don't know that there is a team out there that wants to deal with him at 41. I am not sure he will be able to find a home if he wants to continue playing, other than maybe the Jets running it back? This experiment would have worked if he were walking into the situation Brett Favre did in Minnesota, which was the expectation, but he wasn't. Favre put together his best statistical season there, but nobody thought that was the best version of Favre. He still had enough juice to excel in a watered down role, that's where Aaron is, IMO. He is not even the top 5 worst problems on that Jets team.

I would bet on the Packers to beat the Lions if that matchup happens again. Just a gut feeling. I think the Packers are ascending and have not thrown their best punch at them yet, and I think Detroit is in a struggle health-wise. Philadelphia is a better defensive team. I think they are the favorites, and a visit to Philly in January would be more difficult for the Packers than a dome.

[jay87shot]

If Sam Darnold signs elsewhere I could see Rodgers going to Minny for 1 cheap year since JJ McCarthey still might not be ready. Cousins might be better for that if the Falcons cut him and he isn't bitter. Maybe a team like Cleveland or Tennessee would take a Rodgers chance if they miss out on the top couple QB's in the draft.

I would think Davante would be great in San Fran, I think they trade Deebo and Davante goes back to Cali on a cheap deal.

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

If Sam Darnold signs elsewhere I could see Rodgers going to Minny for 1 cheap year since JJ McCarthey still might not be ready. Cousins might be better for that if the Falcons cut him and he isn't bitter. Maybe a team like Cleveland or Tennessee would take a Rodgers chance if they miss out on the top couple QB's in the draft.

I would think Davante would be great in San Fran, I think they trade Deebo and Davante goes back to Cali on a cheap deal.

I kind of thought the same. McCarthy could maybe use a bridge for one more year, and it’s a ready to go playoff team. I bet even if he’d never admit it, Rodgers would love to go to Minnesota. I just don’t know for sure that he’d be keen on going to an obvious bridge situation where he has no future, but he’s probably bright enough to know that his career is basically year to year anyway now anyway.

Rodgers is kind of his own worst enemy at this point. As has been noted, he does still possess the skills needed to succeed at the position. But he needs to work within a system and not try to be the system anymore. I think he’s gotten used to having basically total control over an offense and it’s in his best interest for his final year or two to relent there and just  concentrate on putting his remaining arm skills to use.

Pittsburgh would actually be a great fit if they didn’t re-sign Wilson, if Rodgers could help himself and just work within their offense. I just don’t think he can do it. I think they will bring Wilson back anyway, 

[Underachiever]

I avidly await the first team that doesn't blink and lets their QB walk instead of paying him. I think the 49ers might be the first. We are getting to what, $70 million for the next QB contract? For Brock Purdy? This year there has been a lot of buzz about the resurgence of the RB position with Henry, Barkley and Jacobs all being excellent as FA acquisitions, and what Montgomery (RIP) and Gibbs are doing in Detroit. 

[OldHeidelberg]

I was just looking at a mock draft and Raiders and Giants look like they will snatch the top 2 QB's so there may not be one worth picking at the Jets pick. If that's the case I would bet on Rodgers being back there one more year, especially because Adams likely stays with him. Of course it depends on how the new GM and HC(and owner) but why blow it all up if you don't have another plan in place? They have some talent and have lost a lot of close games, even if they find a QB to draft give it another year.

[Underachiever]

1 hour ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I was just looking at a mock draft and Raiders and Giants look like they will snatch the top 2 QB's so there may not be one worth picking at the Jets pick. If that's the case I would bet on Rodgers being back there one more year, especially because Adams likely stays with him. Of course it depends on how the new GM and HC(and owner) but why blow it all up if you don't have another plan in place? They have some talent and have lost a lot of close games, even if they find a QB to draft give it another year.

I would love to see the Jets bring Rodgers back and draft a quarterback to develop. I am sure Rodgers would be a valuable mentor to the man replacing him. I'll buy the popcorn.

[JosephC]

1 hour ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I was just looking at a mock draft and Raiders and Giants look like they will snatch the top 2 QB's so there may not be one worth picking at the Jets pick. 

I think that all depends on the ratings in the college football videogame.

https://www.patspulpit.com/new-england-patriots-social-media-video-podcasts/2024/12/19/24324917/jets-owner-nixed-major-trade-immensely-stupid-reason-jerry-jeudy

[OldHeidelberg]

25 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

I would love to see the Jets bring Rodgers back and draft a quarterback to develop. I am sure Rodgers would be a valuable mentor to the man replacing him. I'll buy the popcorn.

LOL Well, I didn't say anything about Rodgers mentoring a young QB. He is waaay past having any reason to get offended by his team drafting a QB. At this point I think he just wants one more shot and it's hard to see that happening anywhere else than with the Jets. If it's not the Jets he will probably stay home and hope for an injury so he can come in and be the hero. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers is well-liked by the players, despite what blabbermouths on ESPN would have one believe. I think he's back in NY next year, 70% because of the sunken cost, and the reality that even if they cut ties, they'd still not be very good. It is probably worth running it back, especially if they continue playing well offensively like they have recently. Get the right coach in there, get that defense back where it should be, and just hope they are above average.

If you're going to spend a bunch of money and not be very good either way, you might as well do it with a QB that has been adequate.

[adambr2]

I advocate more for the crazy crap that Dan Campbell does more than most people  do because I see coaches do the same dumb conservative crap on a weekly basis that Sean Payton just did for Denver — punt with 4:30 left from midfield down 3, and just literally punt away your final shot.

[CheezWizHed]

21 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Rodgers is well-liked by the players, despite what blabbermouths on ESPN would have one believe. I think he's back in NY next year, 70% because of the sunken cost, and the reality that even if they cut ties, they'd still not be very good. It is probably worth running it back, especially if they continue playing well offensively like they have recently. Get the right coach in there, get that defense back where it should be, and just hope they are above average.

If you're going to spend a bunch of money and not be very good either way, you might as well do it with a QB that has been adequate.

I'm curious why you say this?  I'm guessing Mike Williams isn't a fan...

From my arm-chair view of watching his career, he has made the same path as Favre; Good buddies when he was the same age as the OL, WR, TEs he played with, but more distant when he because 10-15 years older than them.  But the main difference between Favre and Rodgers was that Favre was more that the gun-slinger mentality is "easier" to play with where Rodgers demands much more.  

My impression is more that people appreciate Rodgers for his skill as a QB and less so as a player or person.  He seems rather high maintenance as a person, IMO.

[HarryDoyle]

On 12/16/2024 at 6:38 PM, HarveysWBs said:

If he’s ring chasing, and takes a lesser deal, you gotta think Kansas City puts on the green eyeshades and tries to figure out the numbers.

Who else is that close and could use him? Not Detroit, they’re pretty much set at pass catcher. The 49ers seem like they’re always in on everybody, but they have to make a decision on Purdy soon and their roster is getting expensive already. Maybe Philly? Don’t know their cap situation, but could be a dynamite pairing with Brown.

I don’t want to see the Packers play him, so I’m hoping he goes AFC. Maybe he likes the Chargers chances, or Miami, or something. He’d be a great addition for Buffalo, how much scarier could that offense get?

I don't know if Woody Johnson would be willing to trade him if his Madden rating is still high.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

I'm curious why you say this?  I'm guessing Mike Williams isn't a fan...

From my arm-chair view of watching his career, he has made the same path as Favre; Good buddies when he was the same age as the OL, WR, TEs he played with, but more distant when he because 10-15 years older than them.  But the main difference between Favre and Rodgers was that Favre was more that the gun-slinger mentality is "easier" to play with where Rodgers demands much more.  

My impression is more that people appreciate Rodgers for his skill as a QB and less so as a player or person.  He seems rather high maintenance as a person, IMO.

Well, that is at odds with Breece Hall, Garrett Wilson or Allen Lazard who have heaped some pretty lavish praise on a guy 15 years older than them. It's pretty clear watching Hard Knocks and Enigma that Rodgers is very well liked by his teammates. The same 2 names pop up every time this "Rodgers is a bad teammate" hot take reappears, Jennings and Finley. And we can throw in how gracious he was with Jordan Love in there as well.

Maybe Mike Williams isn't a fan, I don't know, but the consensus seems to be that Rodgers has very high expectations and expects people to be film addicts and be where they're supposed to be. Not uncommon stuff. The guys that embraced him being kind of a jerk like that have been very handsomely rewarded and credit him for a lot of their success - David Bhaktiari, Jordy, Davante, and Marshawn Lynch in the new doc saying he "elevated him to a different level." Jordan Poyer credits Rodgers with helping him beat alcoholism.

Rodgers being a "bad teammate" or disliked by his peers simply isn't supported by the facts or reality no matter how many different media personalities shout it from the rooftops. He is a person, so I'm sure some people dislike him as with any person, but I have seen far more evidence he is liked than that he is not. I can't remember where I read this, but even one of these reporters who thinks he is a bit of a weirdo said himself something like "But I have to admit, I've never met a teammate of his who didn't like him."

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Sidenote, one of the most interesting parts of Enigma is that it sounds like Jordan Love was drafted by Ted, not Gute. The GM change had happened by then, but per MLF, Ted believed that Jordan was too good of an opportunity to let it slip away. My impression was always that that was Gute and Ted was a figurehead by that point.

[Team Canada]

46 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Sidenote, one of the most interesting parts of Enigma is that it sounds like Jordan Love was drafted by Ted, not Gute. The GM change had happened by then, but per MLF, Ted believed that Jordan was too good of an opportunity to let it slip away. My impression was always that that was Gute and Ted was a figurehead by that point.

I heard a clip from MLF last night where he basically said he wasn't sure where that came from, and Ted definitely was not involved in the Love pick.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

20 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

I heard a clip from MLF last night where he basically said he wasn't sure where that came from, and Ted definitely was not involved in the Love pick.

As in, not sure why he said it? Because he's the one that said it, lol. Suddenly his record challenging calls makes sense.