Brewers aquire Aaron Civale from the Rays for infielder Gregory Barrios

[homer]

 

 

[patrickgpe]

Not sure how this helps or whom he would replace 

[Jastro]

 

[Lathund]

I like it. Has put up good underlying numbers over the last three years, FIP/xFIP/xERA all under 4 (And so was ERA in 2023). ERA is mostly a result from an elevated BABIP and HR/FB rate; stats that fluctuate, and that can be improved by having a strong defense behind you and some minor tweaks, in addition to just expecting some regression to the mean.  Seems like someone who could thrive with the Brewers. Fastball velo is fine so that's not an issue. Another year of team control. 

And I like that the move happened early. Now that, as well as him actually having good underlying numbers, suggests it might be somewhat costly trade. I'll trust that they made a sensible deal though. 

[Outlander]

A little concerned when Rays are trading away pitching. Didn't see anything on a return but may hurt.

[wallus]

5 minutes ago, Jastro said:

 

Tea leaves would say Boeve, hopefully not the case

[Lathund]

I'm cool with that. Barrios is a solid prospect, putting up good offensive numbers as a SS in A+ at a young age. But there's no shortage of promising young middle infielders, and he's some years away even in the best case scenario. Good trade IMO: 

[wallus]

Just now, Lathund said:

I'm cool with that. Barrios is a solid prospect, putting up good offensive numbers as a SS in A+ at a young age. But there's no shortage of promising young middle infielders, and he's some years away even in the best case scenario. Good trade IMO: 

Barrios is a good prospect but this is a nice trade. I like that Civale is under control for next season at likely a reasonable cost. Just like Severino (who is having a nice season for the Pirates), I wish Barrios good luck.

[duewizard]

3 minutes ago, Lathund said:

I'm cool with that. Barrios is a solid prospect, putting up good offensive numbers as a SS in A+ at a young age. But there's no shortage of promising young middle infielders, and he's some years away even in the best case scenario. Good trade IMO: 

I like Barrios and wish him the best. We arent giving up too much really. He is having a solid season. There is a bit of an infield logjam in the low minors so we are trading from depth.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Im always nervous trading with TB, but this seems like a good trade and surprising we didnt have to give up too much.  I'm very high on Barrios and we may very well regret this trade in a few years, but you have to give to get. Trading from depth is always a good approach.

[LouisEly]

43 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

 or whom he would replace 

For starters, Keuchel.  Could move Wilson back into the pen.  Or perhaps they want to go back to a 6-man rotation.  Might mean no plans to move Junis back to the rotation this season, perhaps Hall as well.

Peralta, Rea, Myers, Civale... hell, still need at least one of Wilson or Keuchel.

[KeithStone53151]

It's a bit wild looking at how good Civale was with the Indians, and how bad with Tampa. It's almost like Tampa broke him, or maybe they just didn't align on how to attack hitters or something. I have high hopes he'll be more of the 3.75ish ERA pitcher he was for Cleveland than the 5+ ERA guy he's been for Tampa.

[homer]

14 minutes ago, duewizard said:

I like Barrios and wish him the best. We arent giving up too much really. He is having a solid season. There is a bit of an infield logjam in the low minors so we are trading from depth.

Yeah to me it's a trade with decent upside and not a ton of downside. I like it.

[Outlander]

I am fine with the return especially considering the Brewers have good, cost controlled middle infield talent at the major leage level for many years. Certainly needed to upgrade their rotation and this is a step in the right direction. Doesn't prevent them from making an additional move closer to the deadline. Pitched well against NL Central foes Cubs and Pirates.

[CheeseheadInQC]

I was an “I hope it isn’t Barrios” guy. Honestly, from a cursory check, here is the list of guys from that signing class having better seasons relative to level: Chourio, Basallo, Ballesteros. I like the idea of trading from depth, but I worry this is the Rays buying low on an ascending prospect.

[RobertCrawley]

The pitching coaches will look under the hood. You never know.

[Stealofhome]

Opens up the door for Cooper Pratt to A+ as well?

[BrewCrew8675309]

So much can go wrong from A+ to MLB. I think of Barrios as someone that can be covered up by Pratt, Boeve, EBJr, or a 2024 draft pick. 

Civale might be able to get back to CLE heights and I think that Arnold would look at him and talk to his staff to find out if some fine tuning could get back to good. 

Civale and Keuchel offer experience as well. Myers, Rea, and FPeralta offer stability and some shining moments. If Civale and Keuchel could repeat what Dallas just did in Denver, then we are on to something. 

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[Brewcrew82]

Civale’s solid peripherals have already been mentioned, but I love this deal even more if it means the end of Bryse Wilson in the rotation.  Hard to imagine they’d cut bait with Keuchel after last night. 

[homer]

FYI

 

 

[ReverendBrewmeister]

Feel positive after reading some of the comments earlier in the thread about Civale's peripheral stats and comparing his performance in Cleveland vs. Tampa Bay. (Maybe something in Tampa caused the negative spike?)

More importantly, the need for starting pitchers to pick up the slack on innings pitched is urgent now, not just in August/September after the trade deadline. If Civale can be a competent, competitive starter, that will mean getting innings out of him for four weeks prior to the trade deadline. That should pay off bigger dividends later in the season, as there seems to be serious concern about overtaxing the bullpen with how the rotation currently stands.

Additionally, getting a pitcher with another season of team control helps to bridge the gaps created with the injuries to starters in 2024 that will extend into 2025. You basically have to count on Gasser giving nothing next season; Woodruff is a complete wild card; no clue if Miley actually makes the comeback instead of just retiring. So adding a potential piece for next season is another good bit of work by Arnold.

 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

So if it isnt keuchel getting let go (and I dont think it will be), who will be going to make room? Zastryzny is out of options and would have to be let go. That leaves Milner and Peguero as players with options.  Payamps is out of options and the rest of the staff has pitched too well to be considered.

[Bulldogboy]

Like the aggressive nature of this deal. Say what you want about Dallas and this deal it shows they understand what they had was not sustainable. Now are Hook and the crew able to make them better is the question. At least they get to work with Civale through next season and he's under 30. Good move. Keep looking. 

[patrickgpe]

33 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

For starters, Keuchel.  Could move Wilson back into the pen.  Or perhaps they want to go back to a 6-man rotation.  Might mean no plans to move Junis back to the rotation this season, perhaps Hall as well.

Peralta, Rea, Myers, Civale... hell, still need at least one of Wilson or Keuchel.

Keuchel wasn't bad last night truth be told. He wasn't terrible in his first start minus one awful inning. I'm sure you are right and I'm not upset about Keuchel being gone, but thats the truth. 

[homer]

Obviously ERA isn't the best comparison stat to use but the point is the Brewers have a history of finding guys that haven't been great and making them useful.