Packers 2024 Season Thread

[CheezWizHed]

Hopefully Carlson and Narveson will both be good NFL kickers one day.  I tend to think Narv has a better chance as success as his misses seemed very consistent (and thus fixable).  Carlson's makes even seemed to be marginal, so I think he might struggle more to become consistent...

[HarryDoyle]

Gees, it's been nine days since we signed McManus and we're still talking about the kicking game? What's done is done. Let's just enjoy having a proven and mostly successful kicker in the fold.

[Sixtolezcano]

On 10/25/2024 at 2:30 PM, HarryDoyle said:

Gees, it's been nine days since we signed McManus and we're still talking about the kicking game? What's done is done. Let's just enjoy having a proven and mostly successful kicker in the fold.

🤞

[adambr2]

I have questions for Rich Bisaccia on why two young kickers in a row have failed under his tutelage and one of them now looks like Mr. Automatic in San Francisco. 

[yourout]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I have questions for Rich Bisaccia on why two young kickers in a row have failed under his tutelage and one of them now looks like Mr. Automatic in San Francisco. 

I think the long snapper is definitely a factor. 

The guy for the 49ers is Dead eye Dan with every snap. Some kickers can probably handle it better than others

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, yourout said:

I think the long snapper is definitely a factor. 

The guy for the 49ers is Dead eye Dan with every snap. Some kickers can probably handle it better than others

Orzech has very few responsibilities as a professional football player. Seems like a job where you should be at least relatively unnoticeable if you want to retain said job. 

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Orzech has very few responsibilities as a professional football player. Seems like a job where you should be at least relatively unnoticeable if you want to retain said job. 

Well...again, they've certainly tried, but last year it was every aspect.

Wheelan has been the better at everything, so...I guess the only we can do...

2025 NFL Mock
1st rd
32-Green Bay Packers Bailey Parsons, LS, Stanford

It's the only reasonable thing to do at this point...

Hey, he even has a highlight video!

 

[homer]

Carlson didn't have a miss of any kind last year until week 6. 

[endaround]

9 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I have questions for Rich Bisaccia on why two young kickers in a row have failed under his tutelage and one of them now looks like Mr. Automatic in San Francisco. 

I see we are back to XPts not counting

[CheezWizHed]

13 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I have questions for Rich Bisaccia on why two young kickers in a row have failed under his tutelage and one of them now looks like Mr. Automatic in San Francisco. 

So does that mean Rich did nothing that set them on the path for success?  Or that does it mean it takes more time to develop kicking that teams are willing to endure?

[CheezWizHed]

On 10/25/2024 at 2:30 PM, HarryDoyle said:

Gees, it's been nine days since we signed McManus and we're still talking about the kicking game? What's done is done. Let's just enjoy having a proven and mostly successful kicker in the fold.

It is nice that (so far), we've been able to talk about past kicking and not the present... 

Pretty amazing that you get signed to a team and your first two games comes down to game winning FGs... Imagine how bad it could've been...

[adambr2]

5 hours ago, endaround said:

I see we are back to XPts not counting

They count for exactly one third of the value of the other kicks. 

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, CheezWizHed said:

So does that mean Rich did nothing that set them on the path for success?  Or that does it mean it takes more time to develop kicking that teams are willing to endure?

I'm not advocating for a change at ST coordinator. There's at least stability there now rather than the rotating carousel of disasters that we had before him. And there have been some positives, like Whelan. 

But I think it's fair to ask about areas of concern like why we've had systematic problems with the long snapper for the last season and a half and why we continue to make errors in the return game. 

[homer]

Sounds like the Packers avoided any serious injuries. All day to day stuff. They have a bye after Detroit....they might let a few guys sit to get an extra week of rest.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, homer said:

Sounds like the Packers avoided any serious injuries. All day to day stuff. They have a bye after Detroit....they might let a few guys sit to get an extra week of rest.

If that's their approach, I don't really understand it. Sure you don't want to risk anyone unnecessarily, but this is arguably the biggest game of the season thus far. Would think it'd be all hands on deck especially knowing you've got 2 weeks to rest after. 

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I'm not advocating for a change at ST coordinator. There's at least stability there now rather than the rotating carousel of disasters that we had before him. And there have been some positives, like Whelan. 

But I think it's fair to ask about areas of concern like why we've had systematic problems with the long snapper for the last season and a half and why we continue to make errors in the return game. 

Certainly fair to question him for things that he is responsible for.  I just thought saying that two young kickers that struggled under him and succeeded elsewhere seemed a rather circumstantial argument. 

 

14 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

If that's their approach, I don't really understand it. Sure you don't want to risk anyone unnecessarily, but this is arguably the biggest game of the season thus far. Would think it'd be all hands on deck especially knowing you've got 2 weeks to rest after. 

I like how you state that Chicago is a rest week. 😂 But I agree with Detroit... if you can play, you should play.

[OldHeidelberg]

28 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

If that's their approach, I don't really understand it. Sure you don't want to risk anyone unnecessarily, but this is arguably the biggest game of the season thus far. Would think it'd be all hands on deck especially knowing you've got 2 weeks to rest after. 

Yes, we already blew one home division game they really need this one. That said I expect Love is out since he couldn't finish yesterday. If so we need to let Willis throw to have a chance this week. Tall order with our backup QB but Lions maybe due for a stinker.

[homer]

1 hour ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Yes, we already blew one home division game they really need this one. That said I expect Love is out since he couldn't finish yesterday. If so we need to let Willis throw to have a chance this week. Tall order with our backup QB but Lions maybe due for a stinker.

All that matters is being healthy and on a roll heading into the playoffs. 

[OldHeidelberg]

29 minutes ago, homer said:

All that matters is being healthy and on a roll heading into the playoffs. 

I agree and I really do not care about winning the division. Home playoff games are overrated. But with so many contending teams in the division it can leave you the odd team out in wildcard tiebreakers as division tiebreakers are applied first. Gotta get in the playoffs first and we are AFC heavy in our wins as it is. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I could not care less about chasing a 1 seed or a division title. They have done nothing but disappoint out of those top seeds for years. As of today, I think DET is the best in the NFC. I think the Packers have played one complete game, against Arizona, but I think their best football is ahead of them. If they keep taking the ball away and Jacobs continues being a beast, they will be well positioned for a run.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

So does that mean Rich did nothing that set them on the path for success?  Or that does it mean it takes more time to develop kicking that teams are willing to endure?

It takes a little time when you tear it all down and rebuild it.

We wouldn't have replaced our K, LS, P and of course we recycled most of the bottom half of the roster because we rebuilt the whole team.

Our STs look...average now. They'd probably be in the top ~12 if they had a good kicking game. 

I think Rizzi should have been hired, that's a mistake we can't take back, but that's...6-7 years ago now. Rich B hasn't been a silver bullet, but...he's been alright. It's hard to find good replacements at all these positions all at the same time. 

This was the point the whole time. Anders Carlson wasn't THE failure, Rich B isn't THE failure, Gute was as much of a part of the problem as them and so was timing. They all played a part in it...and I'm sure we'll try to once again "solve" the kicking issue next year.  

 

[Team Canada]

18 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Certainly fair to question him for things that he is responsible for.  I just thought saying that two young kickers that struggled under him and succeeded elsewhere seemed a rather circumstantial argument. 

 

I like how you state that Chicago is a rest week. 😂 But I agree with Detroit... if you can play, you should play.

No, that's not what he's saying. Between Detroit and Chicago there are 2 weeks. Not 2 Sundays off.

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Team Canada said:

No, that's not what he's saying. Between Detroit and Chicago there are 2 weeks. Not 2 Sundays off.

Yeah, I know.  I'm known as someone who intentionally takes things the wrong way to make it funny. 😉

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Team Canada said:

No, that's not what he's saying. Between Detroit and Chicago there are 2 weeks. Not 2 Sundays off.

Nah, the other way was right!

[adambr2]

The biggest advantage of the #1 seed is that you already advance past the wild card round without having to win a playoff game. That is a huge advantage. 

I understand downplaying the importance of winning the division and playing home playoff games due to our relative lack of success in recent years in those situations. However, I would attribute that more to random statistical noise more than any suggestion that we somehow have less of a chance at going to the Super Bowl as a #1 seed. 

Beating Detroit, winning the division, and being the #1 seed should all absolutely be goals along the way to the Super Bowl. You can get there without accomplishing those goals, but it definitely makes it harder. 

At the end of the day, the statistical and historical fact is that far more Super Bowl winners were #1 seeds in their conference than any other seed, for good reason. It is the path of least resistance.