2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[BrewerFan]

Just now, wiguy94 said:

It's a 369 inning sample. Way too small to read into. His -39 DRS and -59 OAA in 6000+ innings at SS are far more evidence to his defensive quality than 369 innings at 2B.

I don't care. He wouldn't be playing SS here, that's obvious.

Make it any other cheap signing you want then. I don't think it's likely to be a significant investment. 

[wiguy94]

46 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't care. He wouldn't be playing SS here, that's obvious.

Make it any other cheap signing you want then. I don't think it's likely to be a significant investment. 

Nobody said he would be playing SS here. You're just saying that he's a serviceable 2B based on his defensive numbers in 369 career innings at 2B which is not how you should be looking at defensive metrics. 

[BrewerFan]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Nobody said he would be playing SS here. You're just saying that he's a serviceable 2B based on his defensive numbers in 369 career innings at 2B which is not how you should be looking at defensive metrics. 

OK

[SF70]

Sign Moncada to a pillow contract or offer up prospects to Arizona for 1 year of Suarez. Both are good defensive 3B, which would probably be a requisite with MKE.

I’d probably go the Moncada route. Taking a pillow deal will probably motivate him to get in the BSOHL, and he’s due to have a healthy season after these last couple of years. 

MKE with a competent 3B will be a serious title contender in 2025.

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Sign Moncada to a pillow contract or offer up prospects to Arizona for 1 year of Suarez. Both are good defensive 3B, which would probably be a requisite with MKE.

I’d probably go the Moncada route. Taking a pillow deal will probably motivate him to get in the BSOHL, and he’s due to have a healthy season after these last couple of years. 

MKE with a competent 3B will be a serious title contender in 2025.

I agree with the last sentence in particular and I'd love to see either of those players in Milwaukee...though how the hell do you miss virtually the whole season with an abductor strain(that is what Moncada had, right)...

I just don't know that the Brewers are going to go out and be willing to out-bid teams for Moncada. Suarez, I'd love to have him. That will be interesting to see if they do move Perdomo to 3rd or keep him at SS and play Lawler at 3B. 

I'm just assuming it's more in line with where they've been in the past and I see the Yankees or a team like that signing Moncada. It'd be great...but I still think we're going to be a really good team either way. You're basically swapping Adames for Yelich, hoping he's healthy and maybe the back injuries are gone. 

If we can add another weapon at 3rd, even better.

[brewfanmn]

On 9/14/2024 at 8:09 PM, BrewerFan said:

Mitchell has...~35 HRs in his entire post-high school life. He's going to be 27 next year.

He hits the ball on the ground as much as almost anyone in MLB...

Yeah, he big and strong...and he hits the ball on the ground and has shown absolutely no signs of being anything close to a 30/30 type hitter.

Garrett Mitchell's career pace of hitting home runs in the Major Leagues is now 25 home runs per 650 plate appearances.

[nate82]

I was thinking maybe trade with the Mariners but there really isn't anyone to trade for there who would be a reasonable trade target.  Woo and Rodriguez would take a Chourio like package to get them. 

The White Sox will have Gavin Sheets (Arb1) and Andrew Vaughn (Arb2) heading into arbitration in 2025.  Vaughn should be around $5mm in arb2 and Sheets about $2-3mm in Arb1.  I don't think either would take much to get the White Sox to trade them.  The other option with the White Sox is to trade for Robert and have him as the DH or LF.  The White Sox are going to want a ton for Robert so I don't think that is a possibility for the Brewers. 

I don't believe money is the problem for the Brewers it is giving up the prospects to get players that will be the problem.

[sveumrules]

Ryan McMahon has 3yrs/$44M left on his deal and definitely would fit the run prevention formula with his +48 DRS and +27 FRV both ranking 2nd among all 3B since 2021.

Bat is consistently blah though with a 92 wRC+ this year, and a 90 wRC+ for his career, and a seasonal best of 97 wRC+.

Rockies are always tricky to line up with, but we just dealt with them at the deadline so who knows.

A guy that’s kind of the opposite is Brandon Lowe who TBR could be looking to deal with two team options totaling $22M on tap.

Lowe has a 123 wRC+ this year, and a 126 wRC+ for his career and a seasonal worst of 103 wRC+.

Problems have been staying healthy, mediocre production vs LHP (97 wRC+ since 2021), and being kind of a 2B/1B/DH defensive nomad.

[Lloyd330]

Jake Burger anyone? Pretty cheap the next couple of years 

Wonder if the Marlins would do a Burger/Luzardo for Black/???/???

[jay87shot]

16 hours ago, nate82 said:

I was thinking maybe trade with the Mariners but there really isn't anyone to trade for there who would be a reasonable trade target.  Woo and Rodriguez would take a Chourio like package to get them. 

The White Sox will have Gavin Sheets (Arb1) and Andrew Vaughn (Arb2) heading into arbitration in 2025.  Vaughn should be around $5mm in arb2 and Sheets about $2-3mm in Arb1.  I don't think either would take much to get the White Sox to trade them.  The other option with the White Sox is to trade for Robert and have him as the DH or LF.  The White Sox are going to want a ton for Robert so I don't think that is a possibility for the Brewers. 

I don't believe money is the problem for the Brewers it is giving up the prospects to get players that will be the problem.

I like Vaughn (for almost nothing) but with Rhys around it doesn't sense. I wouldnt shake up the OF for Robert, if it was like Sal and a couple lower ranked prospect fine but my guess is that it would take 3 good pieces for Robert. The Mariners are always a good trade option if trader Jerry keeps his job.

15 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Ryan McMahon has 3yrs/$44M left on his deal and definitely would fit the run prevention formula with his +48 DRS and +27 FRV both ranking 2nd among all 3B since 2021.

Bat is consistently blah though with a 92 wRC+ this year, and a 90 wRC+ for his career, and a seasonal best of 97 wRC+.

Rockies are always tricky to line up with, but we just dealt with them at the deadline so who knows.

A guy that’s kind of the opposite is Brandon Lowe who TBR could be looking to deal with two team options totaling $22M on tap.

Lowe has a 123 wRC+ this year, and a 126 wRC+ for his career and a seasonal worst of 103 wRC+.

Problems have been staying healthy, mediocre production vs LHP (97 wRC+ since 2021), and being kind of a 2B/1B/DH defensive nomad.

I wouldn't mind either Lowe or McMahon but again wouldnt trade a ton for either. I like McMahon d and versatility but he strikes out a ton and leaving Coors usually means a BA decrease. As you said the bat for Lowe is better but he would likely have to play 2B, which is fine but not as ideal.

1 hour ago, Lloyd330 said:

Jake Burger anyone? Pretty cheap the next couple of years 

Wonder if the Marlins would do a Burger/Luzardo for Black/???/???

Burger doesn't fit the team well in my opinion. He isn't a good defender and isn't at all athletic. If he was a left handed hitter I could see him platooning at 1st and occasionally playing 3B but that won't work. I wouldnt mind Black for Luzardo straight up and then trade Rae or Civale for whatever works.

[jay87shot]

My guess is that the Mariners would be looking for bats like crazy. I really don't see a trade working unless they would want Yelich (dont think he would accept deal there) or maybe Rhys. Maybe they would want Tyler Black.

 

[nate82]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Vaughn (for almost nothing) but with Rhys around it doesn't sense. I wouldnt shake up the OF for Robert, if it was like Sal and a couple lower ranked prospect fine but my guess is that it would take 3 good pieces for Robert.

Vaughn or Sheets would be a replacement for Bauers.

For Robert he would be the primary DH or fill in at LF for Yelich whenever needed.  But I think the prospect cost will be more than what the Brewers will be willing to pay.  

52 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

My guess is that the Mariners would be looking for bats like crazy. I really don't see a trade working unless they would want Yelich (dont think he would accept deal there) or maybe Rhys. Maybe they would want Tyler Black.

I would only trade Hoskins for a salary dump.  I wouldn’t include a prospect going back.  Hoskins doesn’t really make much sense for the Mariners anyways.  

[jay87shot]

5 hours ago, nate82 said:

Vaughn or Sheets would be a replacement for Bauers.

For Robert he would be the primary DH or fill in at LF for Yelich whenever needed.  But I think the prospect cost will be more than what the Brewers will be willing to pay.  

I would only trade Hoskins for a salary dump.  I wouldn’t include a prospect going back.  Hoskins doesn’t really make much sense for the Mariners anyways.  

Agreed that Hoskins wouldn't be much in a trade. I was thinking maybe Hoskins for Mitch Garver and a prospect if you think Black is ready or want to sign a FA 1st baseman. However that isn't great because Garver was so bad and we wouldn't save all that much (6 million).

 

[Brewcrew82]

Brewers interested in DBacks' Christian Walker, per Nightengale.....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/09/22/home-field-advantage-mlb-postseason-overrated/75331164007/

He states in the event Hoskins opts out, which I find very unlikely. 

[jay87shot]

Christian Walker would be a perfect 1B for us, he is like Willy offensively and a borderline gold glove 1B. I really doubt we could find a way to dump Hoskins salary but if so that would be wonderful. What would a Walker contract look like 3-50ish.

[wiguy94]

25 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Christian Walker would be a perfect 1B for us, he is like Willy offensively and a borderline gold glove 1B. I really doubt we could find a way to dump Hoskins salary but if so that would be wonderful. What would a Walker contract look like 3-50ish.

That's a pretty risky contract to give to a guy who will be 34 right around opening day next year.

[Brewin]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

That's a pretty risky contract to give to a guy who will be 34 right around opening day next year.

I would do 2-$38M with a third year option with a buyout ($3-4M) to mitigate some of that risk

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

Jose Miranda for Devin Williams?  You have to give something to get something.

Chourio LF

Yelich DH

Miranda 3B

Contreras C

Mitchell RF/CF

Hoskins 1B

Perkins/Frelick CF/RF

Ortiz SS

Turang 2B

Bench: Haase (C) , Montesario (2B-3B-SS), Black (1B-LF-DH)

Rotation: Peralta, Civale, Meyers, Hall, Woodruff

Pen: Rea/Ashby (?), Uribe, Hudson, 

7th: Yoho, Payamps

8th: Misoraski

9th: Megill

That pen could be nasty!

Gasser, C Rod and Ashby to AAA unless Ashby secures a spot in the rotation or Woodruff isn't ready.

[jay87shot]

2 hours ago, BrewCrewBlueDevil said:

Jose Miranda for Devin Williams?  You have to give something to get something.

Chourio LF

Yelich DH

Miranda 3B

Contreras C

Mitchell RF/CF

Hoskins 1B

Perkins/Frelick CF/RF

Ortiz SS

Turang 2B

Bench: Haase (C) , Montesario (2B-3B-SS), Black (1B-LF-DH)

Rotation: Peralta, Civale, Meyers, Hall, Woodruff

Pen: Rea/Ashby (?), Uribe, Hudson, 

7th: Yoho, Payamps

8th: Misoraski

9th: Megill

That pen could be nasty!

Gasser, C Rod and Ashby to AAA unless Ashby secures a spot in the rotation or Woodruff isn't ready.

I wouldnt mind Miranda for Williams at all, but I doubt the Twins would pay big for a reliever with Duran, maybe Sal for Miranda. 

[jay87shot]

What about trading for a SS? With Turang and Ortiz playing top notch defense and there likely being a bunch more SS prospect who are blocked or big leaguers getting pushed out.

By my count here are teams with 2 good SS options.

Boston- Rafeala/Mayer

Arizona-Perdomo/Lawler

Mets-Lindor-Williams/Acuna/Mauricio

Mariners-Crawford-Emerson/Young (a ways away)

Twins-Correa-Lee

Cubs- Swanson-Shaw

I still prefer trying to get a 3B option but there are some interesting SS options.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

8 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Brewers interested in DBacks' Christian Walker, per Nightengale.....

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/columnist/bob-nightengale/2024/09/22/home-field-advantage-mlb-postseason-overrated/75331164007/

He states in the event Hoskins opts out, which I find very unlikely. 

This makes too much sense it likely wont happen.  Walker would be ideal. A perennial 30-HR threat with a great glove.  Realize he is older but I think the defense will play.  Probably out of their price range but I would be all in. 

[BrewerFan]

On 9/20/2024 at 8:50 PM, brewfanmn said:

Garrett Mitchell's career pace of hitting home runs in the Major Leagues is now 25 home runs per 650 plate appearances.

Yeah, 4 HRs in a two week span have changed his...rate. His K rate is down, walk rate is up.

Are you feeling confident He's going to be 1 of...what, 50 players all time who've actually done it though?

I  would be thrilled. I'd be thrilled to see him do it...I'm still skeptical about the likelihood, but it'd be great. 

For now, I'll just be happy to see him in the lineup everyday vs RHPers and staying healthy. His defense and speed, OB skills have been huge. If he can take that next leap...like I said, that makes him another MVP caliber player. 30/30 with his defense in CF? You'd be set.

[jay87shot]

1)3 team trade Devin to Yankees, Black, Bryse Wilson, and 3 Yankees prospect to CWS, we get Crochet (maybe some extra pieces like Contreras trade)

2) Elvis Peguero to LAA for Luis Rengifo

3) Rea/Civale and Hoby to Tex for P Jose Corniell and PTBNL

IF Rengifo, LF Chourio, DH/1B/OF Yeli, C Contreras, CF Mitchell, 1B/DH Hoskins, IF Turang, IF Ortiz, RF Sal

Bench- Haase, Perkins, Mone, Collins/Hicklen/FA

Peralta, Crochet, Woody, Myers, Civale/Rea

Megill, Hudson, Payamps, Koenig, Ashby, Hall, Yoho Mears/Bauk/Uribe/Zas/Herget/FA's

That's seems wonderful to me, I think all 3 trades seem pretty logical. I don't know how much Crochet was asking for an extension so that does play into that 1st trade. All 3 teams come out happy if the CWS get enough from the Yanks. Rengifo would be a nice bridge that could fit our team extremely well to give our prospect another year. With Crochet it makes Rea or Civale expendable so we get a good arm for them and Hoby.

[CheezWizHed]

I see a lot of trade ideas to replace Adames next year (including 3B or 2B options and sliding Ortiz/Turang to SS), but what about internal options?

Boeve looks like a downgrade defensively, but that probably has a smaller impact at 2B.  His bat on the other hand would be really nice if he can approach his MiLB numbers at the MLB level. 

[tmwiese55]

Think Bregman gets his mega contract or any chance he'd need a Chapman/Hoskins/Snell type of thing?   

He hasn't been thaaaat great of a hitter that I'd want to be paying him an 8 year 200 mil deal as he enters his 30s but my guess is he'll get something close to so that he doesn't need a 1-3 year options filled prove it deal either that we could get involved in