Hudson to Nashville Hoby activated Wilson to IL Elvis recalled

[markedman5]

 

[MoreTrife]

Can a MLB transaction expert explain this to me? Is this a way to get a needed fresh arm and Hudson will be back shortly with a phantom IL injury to someone else?

[stoutdude04]

1 minute ago, MoreTrife said:

Can a MLB transaction expert explain this to me? Is this a way to get a needed fresh arm and Hudson will be back shortly with a phantom IL injury to someone else?

Yes.  However, I would also say that Hudson has not looked as sharp since returning from the IL earlier in the year.  Though, I am just using my eyes and memory on that.  I am sure someone knows where to look to find that.

[folly412]

Do they believe Hudson's velocity drop a mechanical thing and not injury related?  Was wondering if they'd IL him and try to figure that out before the playoffs.  Was not expecting an option, roster crunch or not.

Wilson's looks to be another phantom one.  Though he was very good on Sunday, this achieves the "flex" spot I'd been hoping for which is more valuable.  Throw Pegeuro for a couple innings to save the other arms, then go get Herget.  Repeat and go get Jay.  Eventually maybe it's Misiorowski or Yoho's turn.  More value to that than a single long reliever.

Last hurrah for Milner.  April/May/early June Hoby is an asset even in our crowded bullpen.  Late June/July/August Hoby needs to be DFA'd.

[stoutdude04]

3 minutes ago, folly412 said:

Do they believe Hudson's velocity drop a mechanical thing and not injury related?  Was wondering if they'd IL him and try to figure that out before the playoffs.  Was not expecting an option, roster crunch or not.

Wilson's looks to be another phantom one.  Though he was very good on Sunday, this achieves the "flex" spot I'd been hoping for which is more valuable.  Throw Pegeuro for a couple innings to save the other arms, then go get Herget.  Repeat and go get Jay.  Eventually maybe it's Misiorowski or Yoho's turn.  More value to that than a single long reliever.

The velocity does seem down and the cutter and the sweeper definitely appear to not be moving as much as well.  Or at least...moving differently.

[Lathund]

Hudson trending downwards with velocity, already 60+ IP. Probably going to be very sparsely used in AAA, and be back fresh for the postseason. 

[Matt]

[Brewcrew82]

The advantages of pitching depth and a 10 game division lead…

Hudson hasn’t been right for going on two months. Really should take a week or two off from pitching in games and see where he is as we head towards October.

Would imagine this is Hoby’s last shot for the Brewers. 

[AKCheesehead]

That would be my guess as well.  He's up for Arby's after this season.  Already making $2.05M so I am supposing a non-tender is likely.

[Brian]

35 minutes ago, MoreTrife said:

Can a MLB transaction expert explain this to me? Is this a way to get a needed fresh arm and Hudson will be back shortly with a phantom IL injury to someone else?

As said earlier his velocity has been trending in the wrong direction and the Brewers want to see him get that ticked back up in a less pressurized environment for the post season.

[Brian]

Milner recently made two scoreless rehab appearances to clear the way for his return to the Brewers' bullpen. He has been sidelined since mid-August due to a left shoulder impingement.

[duewizard]

I though Hoby would be kept in the IL for the rest of the season. Guess its his last chance. Really hope he seizes it because he seems to be a good person

[markedman5]

 

[markedman5]

 

[adambr2]

These seem like the sort of "bad karma" moves that a team makes and then goes 10-15 after. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The advantages of pitching depth and a 10 game division lead…

Hudson hasn’t been right for going on two months. Really should take a week or two off from pitching in games and see where he is as we head towards October.

Would imagine this is Hoby’s last shot for the Brewers. 

Yeah, that and having a team where you can just pretty much blindly trust they know exactly when it's time to tweak something or give a guy some time off. I feel like the Brewers could call me up and I could give them 2 innings and a sub-4 ERA...and my shoulder is full of metal and(and...didn't pitch when I did play baseball). 

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

These seem like the sort of "bad karma" moves that a team makes and then goes 10-15 after. 

How is that?

This feels like the type of move the Dodgers have been making for years so they're fresh for later in the year(not that it always works, but they do it). 

[adambr2]

12 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

How is that?

This feels like the type of move the Dodgers have been making for years so they're fresh for later in the year(not that it always works, but they do it). 

I get the business side of it and big picture view, but to tell a guy like Bryan Hudson who has been phenomenal all year, that he's getting demoted, which is going to cost him service time, money, etc...and clearly isn't a deserved demotion ...I don't totally know how he's going to respond to that. We forget the human side of it sometimes. 

[Jopal78]

13 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I get the business side of it and big picture view, but to tell a guy like Bryan Hudson who has been phenomenal all year, that he's getting demoted, which is going to cost him service time, money, etc...and clearly isn't a deserved demotion ...I don't totally know how he's going to respond to that. We forget the human side of it sometimes. 

Another way to look at it is: the Brewers are protecting his arm. He’s already eclipsed his inning total from last year, and has diminished velocity. 
 

With a virtually insurmountable lead in their Division; they’re letting Hudson have a break to recharge and reset before they need to push him again in the post season. 
 

It doesn’t look like it will cost him any money either as Spotrac indicates he’s on a guaranteed contract for ‘24. His rookie status was going to be intact through 2024 no matter what. 

[Brian]

14 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I get the business side of it and big picture view, but to tell a guy like Bryan Hudson who has been phenomenal all year, that he's getting demoted, which is going to cost him service time, money, etc...and clearly isn't a deserved demotion ...I don't totally know how he's going to respond to that. We forget the human side of it sometimes. 

Bryan Hudson will be back for the playoffs barring there is an injury, the Dodgers do this same stuff also.

He has the beginning signs of a dead arm and the only cure is rest and EZ lite troughing.  He simply needs some time off and hopefully he is ready for the playoffs. His velocity was down almost 5 mph and the only cure is rest or risk trashing his arm completely for the year. 

[folly412]

14 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I get the business side of it and big picture view, but to tell a guy like Bryan Hudson who has been phenomenal all year, that he's getting demoted, which is going to cost him service time, money, etc...and clearly isn't a deserved demotion ...I don't totally know how he's going to respond to that. We forget the human side of it sometimes. 

What I don't quite get is why this isn't an IL stint.  I hear "velocity is down", "dead arm", "scheduled AAA appearances".  Isn't that what the IL is for?  He's probably going to take five or six days then resume what are effectively scheduled rehab outings in Nashville.  All I could figure was the Brewers used up their cache of phantom IL placements that MLB will tolerate. But there's a more legitimate injury concern here than with Milner, Mears, or Wilson.

[Outlander]

They may want to bring up Hudson if a pitcher injury happens in the next 15 days and can't do that if he is on the IL.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Hudson has an option available, whereas the other three just can't be sent to AAA. The brewers are being pretty obvious in thier IL of slightly nonperforming players when in a roster crunch.  Interesting to see if the league cracks down.

[Brian]

58 minutes ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Hudson has an option available, whereas the other three just can't be sent to AAA. The brewers are being pretty obvious in thier IL of slightly nonperforming players when in a roster crunch.  Interesting to see if the league cracks down.

I look at it this way, if his velo is down compared to normal, I would call it a injury about to happen. 

It's the same thing that happened to Josh Hader, when his ERA went from 1.23 to 7.31 in 2022. 

We traded him and in and after a full off season of rest it went back down to 1.76 so it's a very real thing IMHO for the non-believers.  Josh, this year in Houston, after 60 appearances in 138 games it is creeping back up there to 3.28 

Oh, it’s true! It’s damn true!  It's real, its damn real! (Kurt Angle) 

[Playing Catch]

Obviously speculative, but I think the players, themselves, see the writing on the wall, and would rather do an IL stint in Nashville than get released at this point in the season, so they tell the team that they're hurt, and that probably is "true," in the sense that they are sore and struggling. None of the guys do rehab in Carolina or Biloxi. They rehab in AZ, Nashville, or the proximal Fox Cities.