Coby Mayo

[duewizard]

1 hour ago, bigred said:

Not nearly at Mayos' level though. Especially offensively. This trade won't happen anyway, so it really doesn't matter. 

Yeah fair enough. Just discussing the idea though. I don't know we can guarantee that Mayo's value will exceed what we lose in getting him (Freddy+) + what those guys offer

[bigred]

3 hours ago, duewizard said:

Yeah fair enough. Just discussing the idea though. I don't know we can guarantee that Mayo's value will exceed what we lose in getting him (Freddy+) + what those guys offer

Imo, I don't think Freddy would need to be included to get Mayo, if they did make the trade. I could be wrong, though, obviously. Mayo is definitely disgruntled about being sent to AAA again, and can't say I blame him. That could possibly bring down the asking price just a smidge. 

[endaround]

I think people are overestimating the cost of Mayo here.  At best right now he is a FV 55 prospect given the serious concerns about his defensive position (and if we avoid some of the prospect inflation MLB pipeline tends to grade out).  That of course is still a great prospect!  A FV 55 position prospect is worth $46 million.  Misiorowski is a FV 55 pitching prospect which has a value of $34 million. That is the main piece. A second piece would be Lara and then maybe Quintana. So one top prospect, one good prospect and one decent prospect. Two top prospects is too much.

You could also replace Misiorowski with Frelick who is probably the most replaceable player on the MLB roster since he is playing out of position.

[ghostdrew]

26 minutes ago, endaround said:

I think people are overestimating the cost of Mayo here.  At best right now he is a FV 55 prospect given the serious concerns about his defensive position (and if we avoid some of the prospect inflation MLB pipeline tends to grade out).  That of course is still a great prospect!  A FV 55 position prospect is worth $46 million.  Misiorowski is a FV 55 pitching prospect which has a value of $34 million. That is the main piece. A second piece would be Lara and then maybe Quintana. So one top prospect, one good prospect and one decent prospect. Two top prospects is too much.

You could also replace Misiorowski with Frelick who is probably the most replaceable player on the MLB roster since he is playing out of position.

So what position should Sal be playing

 

[endaround]

3 hours ago, ghostdrew said:

So what position should Sal be playing

 

Center field

[sveumrules]

On 3/21/2025 at 8:02 PM, endaround said:

I think people are overestimating the cost of Mayo here.  At best right now he is a FV 55 prospect given the serious concerns about his defensive position (and if we avoid some of the prospect inflation MLB pipeline tends to grade out).  That of course is still a great prospect!  A FV 55 position prospect is worth $46 million.  Misiorowski is a FV 55 pitching prospect which has a value of $34 million. That is the main piece. A second piece would be Lara and then maybe Quintana. So one top prospect, one good prospect and one decent prospect. Two top prospects is too much.

You could also replace Misiorowski with Frelick who is probably the most replaceable player on the MLB roster since he is playing out of position.

Your valuation is perfectly reasonable and sounds most like their respective Baseball America Top 100 rankings with Mayo at #29 and Misio at #44.

I think the Orioles position would be more in line with their MLB rankings of Mayo (#14) and Misio (#100) so it would take something better than Lara/Quintana to close that gap for BAL. Ideally someone who could impact the MLB team for them this year.

Frelick wouldn't really do much for them this year with Mullins in CF, and not sure how much interest the Brewers would have in moving Sal given their tenuous OF depth situation with Perkins already out for a bit, Yelich/Mitchell having lengthy injury histories and limited OF options in the upper levels.

[Mr Southpaw]

Just make it happen.  With Chad Patrick, Tobias and Henderson showing they can handle MLB pitching, we have more than enough (knock on wood) prospects at SP (CRJ looks close also). Miz, Lara and Wilken would be my offer.

[ghostdrew]

2 hours ago, Mr Southpaw said:

Just make it happen.  With Chad Patrick, Tobias and Henderson showing they can handle MLB pitching, we have more than enough (knock on wood) prospects at SP (CRJ looks close also). Miz, Lara and Wilkins would be my offer.

No way that's way to much for a guy and not sure who this wilkens  guy is 

[MilwaukeeBeers]

While I like Mayo more than most. I wouldn't deal Mis quite yet. Mis is the only pitcher in our system that has a ceiling above a number 3. The recent strides he has shown with command makes me optimistic. Maybe he has figured it out. He sure had long levers to work with and I am glad we didn't automatically shoe horn him in relief. I think he has more helium coming soon. 

I would rather trade less for a distressed asset with untapped offensive potential at SS/3rd. My take Ronny Mauricio.

[BrewerFan]

On 3/19/2025 at 4:58 PM, Lloyd330 said:

Need to take off the Homer sunglasses - Pratt is a nice SS prospect who has a comp of Amed Rosario. 

 

Mayo is Riley

Where is that his comp? I've seen Gunnar Henderson, not Ahmed Rosario.

That's a ridiculous package. 

[BrewerFan]

On 3/21/2025 at 10:39 AM, nate82 said:

Pratt has so much room to grow.  He is 6-3 and about 200lbs.  Gunnar is 6-3 220.  Another 6-3 shortstop would be Tulowitzki.  Yelich is also the same size and weight as Pratt.  So yeah low end Dansby and at a high end I would put him similar to Yelich.  If he adds more power probably closer to Tulo than Yelich.  Next year will be the season to find out who Pratt is or isn’t.

Pratt has Superstar upside and...a reasonably high floor. He's a 19 year old(maybe 20 now) in AA and playing well. 

He's the type of player you build around, not trade in this market. 

And then we're trading him AND the guy who throws 100, has a nasty slider, is mixing in a Changeup that's been getting good movement...though still registering as a FB as it's coming in at 91-92. And then a curve. 

Both players may fizzle(any propsect could) but I'm not trading that package for Mayo.

Made, Pratt...I guess Misiorowski wouldn't be untouchable, but I would hate to move on from him. 

I'd really like to see a Pratt-Rosario comp and who made it. 

[umphrey]

I've gone back and forth on Pratt myself. Right now he feels untradeable because he's kind of the only SS in the system and I'm wondering if we are going to be trying to bench Ortiz by the deadline due to lack of offense. Not that Pratt will be ready by then but if things go that way, best to have someone potentially on the way. 

[tmwiese55]

Trading Pratt would be a no go for me.  I don't really know of a reasonable trade target that would make sense to me since its not like we can trade for some superstar type anyway due to the finances. And in Pratt's case, our leftside of IF is so shaky that he might be needed as soon as next year.

Trading top tier prospects has mostly gone away in recent years, and a team like MKE should be among the last ones that can afford to do it.  Their route to contention is hitting on these guys and having them for 7 years, not trading them for 1-2 years of someone else (I know Mayo wouldn't apply in that case, speaking in general).  But then when its not a proven star type, well then you might as well keep your own guy (and the other stuff with it) rather than pay for only a slight increase in chances of hitting on one

ETA: hindsight, I wonder what else MKE would have needed to add in the Burnes trade to get Mayo or Westberg instead of Ortiz.  

[Scooterfletcher]

2 hours ago, tmwiese55 said:

ETA: hindsight, I wonder what else MKE would have needed to add in the Burnes trade to get Mayo or Westberg instead of Ortiz.  

How about simply subtract DL Hall from the deal?

[nate82]

5 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

How about simply subtract DL Hall from the deal?

That wouldn't have gotten the Brewers Mayo.  You would have had to add in Chourio to get the Orioles to listen on Mayo last year.  Burnes and Chourio for Mayo, Ortiz and another piece or two.  Basically you would have had to blow away the Orioles to have received Mayo in a trade.  If Devin Williams was healthy maybe you could have done Burnes and Williams for Mayo, Hall and the comp pick but I am not sure the Orioles would have went for that either. 

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, umphrey said:

I've gone back and forth on Pratt myself. Right now he feels untradeable because he's kind of the only SS in the system and I'm wondering if we are going to be trying to bench Ortiz by the deadline due to lack of offense. Not that Pratt will be ready by then but if things go that way, best to have someone potentially on the way. 

They've got so many SS's they're rotating them!

Maybe he's the only one who's reasonably going to play in Milwaukee this year...but they do have a 2B who I think could pretty easily cover SS. They need Ortiz and Turang to play well, but...I think we've got a whole bunch of young shortstops. Some may move, but Jesus Made is a pretty big one in the system. But Pena may be a young star, Areinamo can play SS. Adamczewski has moved to 2B because of all the SS's in Carolina.

 

I think he's untouchable because he's a SS who looks like he can stick and hit 30 HRs while staying there. Not lack of depth.

[jay87shot]

Jordan Westburg just went on the IL and  the O's brought up Emmanuel Rivera over Mayo. That has to be a kick in the pants for Mayo, maybe also a note on where Baltimore thinks he is at. Maybe we could trade a couple nice smaller pieces for Mayo if the O's still aren't willing to give him a shot. Would Logan Henderson and Luke Adams be close?

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

Jordan Westburg just went on the IL and  the O's brought up Emmanuel Rivera over Mayo. That has to be a kick in the pants for Mayo, maybe also a note on where Baltimore thinks he is at. Maybe we could trade a couple nice smaller pieces for Mayo if the O's still aren't willing to give him a shot. Would Logan Henderson and Luke Adams be close?

They’ve got Ramon Urias to cover for Westburg while he’s injured.

Mayo also has five errors in only 11 games at 3B this year, so it looks like he’s probably still not a MLB calibre 3B either.

[umphrey]

12 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

They've got so many SS's they're rotating them!

Maybe he's the only one who's reasonably going to play in Milwaukee this year...but they do have a 2B who I think could pretty easily cover SS. They need Ortiz and Turang to play well, but...I think we've got a whole bunch of young shortstops. Some may move, but Jesus Made is a pretty big one in the system. But Pena may be a young star, Areinamo can play SS. Adamczewski has moved to 2B because of all the SS's in Carolina.

 

I think he's untouchable because he's a SS who looks like he can stick and hit 30 HRs while staying there. Not lack of depth.

Made and Pena are both 3 years away, and they might not stick at SS. I don't know much about Areinamo but I suspect a FV 40 prospect in A ball doesn't move the needle much. I agree with you that in 2 or 3 years they might have some SS talent close to MLB but right now it's only Pratt and no one else is close at all. Hopefully Ortiz can turn in a solid season though because that would be the best scenario, and Durbin can take an IF spot as well. 

[TURBO]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Jordan Westburg just went on the IL and  the O's brought up Emmanuel Rivera over Mayo. That has to be a kick in the pants for Mayo, maybe also a note on where Baltimore thinks he is at. Maybe we could trade a couple nice smaller pieces for Mayo if the O's still aren't willing to give him a shot. Would Logan Henderson and Luke Adams be close?

I'm not sure Henderson is a "small" piece.  I'm not comfortable trading a possible #2 rotation piece to be honest.  We simply can't afford to buy pitching on the open market, so if we have guys that come up through our own system, are cheap and awesome, I don't want to trade them...

I would be totally against adding Henderson in a deal for Mayo, who may not even stick at 3B.

[TURBO]

10 minutes ago, umphrey said:

Made and Pena are both 3 years away, and they might not stick at SS. I don't know much about Areinamo but I suspect a FV 40 prospect in A ball doesn't move the needle much. I agree with you that in 2 or 3 years they might have some SS talent close to MLB but right now it's only Pratt and no one else is close at all. Hopefully Ortiz can turn in a solid season though because that would be the best scenario, and Durbin can take an IF spot as well. 

I think Made is going to be up sooner than 3 years from now...  If he keeps hopping levels with success, I think we could see him in late 26, but more than likely sometime in 2027.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, umphrey said:

Made and Pena are both 3 years away, and they might not stick at SS. I don't know much about Areinamo but I suspect a FV 40 prospect in A ball doesn't move the needle much. I agree with you that in 2 or 3 years they might have some SS talent close to MLB but right now it's only Pratt and no one else is close at all. Hopefully Ortiz can turn in a solid season though because that would be the best scenario, and Durbin can take an IF spot as well. 

Ok...well, I don't consider Pratt particularly close. He's 19 and in AA but I wouldn't expect him to be up this year, maybe next year, but more realistically I'd look at late '26 with him taking the job in '27.  

I don't think Made is actually that far behind him and I've seen pretty positive evaluations on his defense. Same with many of their young Shortstops, but if you'd have just said good MLB ready SS's, ok, but you said none in the system. 

With regard to Areinamo, I mean, he's a slick fielding IFer who makes contact. We have two top 50 prospects who play SS, but if you're narrowing it down to top prospects at SS who have big offensive upside AND are surefire Defenders at the 6, then...I mean who is going to have multiple players? Maybe Boston? I don't know...

 

I do agree...but I would just say I would ALMOST never trade a guy who is winning minor league Gold Gloves with the potential to hit for a lot of power and draw a lot of walks. You never have enough depth when it comes to THAT type of talent. 

[brooks_quichenick]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

He's 19 and in AA but I wouldn't expect him to be up this year, maybe next year, but more realistically I'd look at late '26 with him taking the job in '27.

Cooper will turn 21 in August.

[BrewerFan]

20 minutes ago, brooks_quichenick said:

Cooper will turn 21 in August.

My mistake, 20 years old...will be 21. Still not really MLB ready. 

I think he's in a very good case scenario, a year away. 

[Team Canada]

11 hours ago, TURBO said:

I think Made is going to be up sooner than 3 years from now...  If he keeps hopping levels with success, I think we could see him in late 26, but more than likely sometime in 2027.

Yeah, if by 3 years we mean the third season from now including this one, sure, but very likely not 3 calendar years. He's may taste AA this year, and could hit AAA next year. And he's 17 right now!!