Injury updates

[biedergb]

11 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

This season already feels snake bitten. Is this an inevitable karmic return organizationally?

My thoughts exactly. For the "always beating expectations" that this team has done since 2017, and seemingly finding pitching anywhere, and remaining resilient, this year does start to feel like karma payback this season.

It will be interesting to see if the pitching staff can hold up yet another year - the task keeps getting taller year after year. It is hard to just offset the major losses from the big league roster the past couple of seasons (Hader/Burnes/Williams via trade; Adames via FA; Woodruff due to injury)

[Jopal78]

1 minute ago, biedergb said:

My thoughts exactly. For the "always beating expectations" that this team has done since 2017, and seemingly finding pitching anywhere, and remaining resilient, this year does start to feel like karma payback this season.

It will be interesting to see if the pitching staff can hold up yet another year - the task keeps getting taller year after year. It is hard to just offset the major losses from the big league roster the past couple of seasons (Hader/Burnes/Williams via trade; Adames via FA; Woodruff due to injury)

If they could develop a starting pitcher or two from within would go a long ways. 
 

Since the early 90s it was Cal Edlred, Ben Sheets, Gallardo, Jimmy Nelson and that was it. Then  the baseball gods smiled on Milwaukee and gave them Peralta, Woodruff and Burnes almost at the same time. Yet, the spigot has seemingly been shut off once again. 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

10 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Is it? Devin Williams will pitch 60 innings in ‘25 and file for free agency. 
 

I wouldn’t say Cortes is mediocre, but the forearm strain is concerning, but yet they approved the medicals. They also got cash from the Yankees and Durbin. 
 

So one way to look at it is Cortes, Durbin and the money used to sign Quintana all for a guy who is going to pitch 60 innings in ‘25 and become a free agent.

Plus, I think it's wrong to label Durbin a "AAA 2nd baseman" as if that's his predetermined ceiling.

[edfunderburk]

15 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Is it? Devin Williams will pitch 60 innings in ‘25 and file for free agency. 
 

I wouldn’t say Cortes is mediocre, but the forearm strain is concerning, but yet they approved the medicals. They also got cash from the Yankees and Durbin. 
 

So one way to look at it is Cortes, Durbin and the money used to sign Quintana all for a guy who is going to pitch 60 innings in ‘25 and become a free agent.

How much $ do you believe they received from NYY? Please include where you got that #.

Cortes got shelled against the NYY … he was good in his next outing … he is mediocre & injury prone. 

Durbin is in Nashville & is not good defensively at 3B … he’s not going to help us unless it is as a utility infielder & pinch runner. 

[edfunderburk]

5 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Plus, I think it's wrong to label Durbin a "AAA 2nd baseman" as if that's his predetermined ceiling.

Until he proves otherwise - it is safe to suggest. 

Like all other Brewers fans - I want to be wrong & hope that he adds value on the major league team sooner than later. 

Durbin was my “favorite” addition this past offseason - we are the exact same height (he is 20 lbs heavier & jacked). 

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

rough stretch for the crew…….unbelievable really

 

[Jopal78]

10 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

How much $ do you believe they received from NYY? Please include where you got that #.

Cortes got shelled against the NYY … he was good in his next outing … he is mediocre & injury prone. 

Durbin is in Nashville & is not good defensively at 3B … he’s not going to help us unless it is as a utility infielder & pinch runner. 

Cortes (7.6) makes less than Williams (8.6) by 1 million dollars. The Brewers received $2 million in cash consideration from the Yankees (via MLB TradeRumors.Com)

If you want to knock Cortes for being mediocre because of a blow out start, and call him injury prone despite making 75 starts for the Yankees ‘22-‘24. That’s your right, but you sure don’t let the facts get in the way.

 

 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

7 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Until he proves otherwise - it is safe to suggest. 

Like all other Brewers fans - I want to be wrong & hope that he adds value on the major league team sooner than later. 

Durbin was my “favorite” addition this past offseason - we are the exact same height (he is 20 lbs heavier & jacked). 

"Suggest" it, sure. I just don't think his story has been written yet. I like his offensive profile, and he seems to have gotten off to an OK start with the bat.

I agree that his work at 3B in March was disappointing, and if he never gets comfortable there then the deal loses some luster.

I'm 5'8". Hard for me to find guys I can post up.😛

[trwi7]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

call him injury prone despite making 81 starts for the Yankees ‘22-‘24. That’s your right, but you sure don’t let the facts get in the way.

He only made 12 starts in 2023 because of a rotator cuff strain and missed time last year because of a flexor strain and is on the IL again because of a flexor strain so he's missed time now in three straight years because of shoulder and elbow injuries.  That's the definition of injury prone.

[Frisbee Slider]

Nestor is expecting the birth of their first child this month. April 12, if you believe Google AI.

This could easily be a two week parternity leave for Cortes without meaningful injury to his elbow.

[liveforoctober]

Frisbee you just saved my brain. I forgot about the baby. That is what I will choose to believe this is.

[jay87shot]

As much as our pitching is hurting look on the bright side we have absolutely amazing depth. Quintana and Mears should be back in a week, Myers maybe Civale the week or two after that then Woody and Ashby around May. If anything this let's out front office take a look at some depth and figure out somethings for the young guys next year.

We should dump Connor Thomas now for Misi and bring up Henderson and CarRod for ERod and Anderson. I like the way they did it the other night and had Misi and Henderson piggyback.

Freddy, CarRod, Alexander, Patrick, Misi/Henderson... That isn't perfect but better than 5-6 other rotations around the league.

Quintana takes CarRods spot then, Myers and Civale replace there worse performing of the rest. Followed by Woody and Nestor. The young guy should be fine to keep us at/around .500 and the vets will kind of be rested a little better than the rest of the league late in the season (baring no re-injuries).

[markedman5]

If we are going to label Cortez as injury prone then the least we can do is apply the same standard to Devin.

 

 

[trwi7]

18 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

We should dump Connor Thomas now for Misi

Really need people to stop thinking Misi is anywhere near ready for the big leagues.  Dump Thomas, sure.

[jay87shot]

16 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

Really need people to stop thinking Misi is anywhere near ready for the big leagues.  Dump Thomas, sure.

He walks to many sure but no body in AAA can hit him, 26.1 ip 8 hits (1 hit in 8.2 this year). For a 2-3 start stint he is the best option with his results, especially like I said in my last post I would piggyback him with CarRod or Henderson and probably max innings at 4ish. 

He isn't ready to be up all year and just be a guy to hand the ball to every 5th day and pitch 6 innings, but he can be ready if used right.

[Frisbee Slider]

30 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

Really need people to stop thinking Misi is anywhere near ready for the big leagues.  Dump Thomas, sure.

Hader was 5 BB per 9 innings in AAA in 2017. Misoiorowski was nearly identical in AAA last year. 🤷‍♂️

[trwi7]

4 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader was 5 BB per 9 innings in AAA in 2017. Misoiorowski was nearly identical in AAA last year. 🤷‍♂️

Harder averaged 4 per 9 innings in the minors.  Misoiorowski is near 6.

[duewizard]

3 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Hader was 5 BB per 9 innings in AAA in 2017. Misoiorowski was nearly identical in AAA last year. 🤷‍♂️

Very different players. Hader only reeled it in as a reliever and 2017 was a particularly bad year. Overall he had more control even with his early arm slot problems. Misiorowski's delivery is so wild that I doubt he will get that walk rate down until he tunes it down a little bit. And I would like to give Miz at least one more year before we move him to the pen

[Frisbee Slider]

4 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

Harder averaged 4 per 9 innings in the minors.  Misoiorowski is near 6.

Hader’s minor league WHIP 1.22

Misiorowski’s minor league WHIP 1.21

Ultimately, it’s about baserunners allowed 🤷‍♂️

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, trwi7 said:

He only made 12 starts in 2023 because of a rotator cuff strain and missed time last year because of a flexor strain and is on the IL again because of a flexor strain so he's missed time now in three straight years because of shoulder and elbow injuries.  That's the definition of injury prone.

If a guy (Cortes) who averaged 25 starts a season is “injury prone”  what do you call a guy like deGrom who has pitched 180+ innings since 2020? Sheesh.

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

Frisbee you just saved my brain. I forgot about the baby. That is what I will choose to believe this is.

Unlikely, because teams get a roster exemption for a player who goes on paternity leave.  If he was healthy, there is no way the Brewers prefer that he go on the 15-day IL as opposed to a 4-5 day paternity leave where they can call up anyone they want to replace him for that time.

[edfunderburk]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

If a guy (Cortes) who averaged 25 starts a season is “injury prone”  what do you call a guy like deGrom who has pitched 180+ innings since 2020? Sheesh.

Both are injury prone 

DeGrom when healthy is a far superior pitcher

DeGrom when injured is a highly paid underperforming pitcher 

[Jopal78]

18 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Both are injury prone 

DeGrom when healthy is a far superior pitcher

DeGrom when injured is a highly paid underperforming pitcher 

[Jim French Stepstool]

4 hours ago, jay87shot said:

He walks to many sure but no body in AAA can hit him, 26.1 ip 8 hits (1 hit in 8.2 this year). For a 2-3 start stint he is the best option with his results, especially like I said in my last post I would piggyback him with CarRod or Henderson and probably max innings at 4ish. 

He isn't ready to be up all year and just be a guy to hand the ball to every 5th day and pitch 6 innings, but he can be ready if used right.

I'm in the camp that doesn't believe he's quite ready. But when he does make his debut I kinda like the idea of starting him out in a piggyback situation.

[NOMAAM]

When is Quintana available?