2025 Packer's Draft Day

[Sixtolezcano]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I mostly agree. I just...don't really understand a few things. 

1-Golden
He will be a possession WR. A guy that can get open and make contested catches keeps the chains moving. But a "possession" WR was the last thing I wanted. A deep threat makes those 3rd down conversations so much easier. It makes getting into 3rd and short easier, it makes...everything easier. The whole offense runs smoother. 

It's like a great pass rush for the defense, it makes everyone else's job easier. Christian Watson wasn't a superstar last year. He was a nice player, but we were ~4 yard better per play with him on the field. And Golden is really good at going up and getting the ball in contested catch situations...as Reed is. Obviously he won't be as good as Julio or a 6'3 big body, but a possession WR is Romeo Doubs, Wicks was the quintessential 3rd down WR/Possession WR in '23. Last year...he struggled. Kraft, Musgrave,....all possession WRs. What we were missing was that HR threat. 

 

You said he wasn’t a deep threat, but a possession receiver!

A possession receiver is typically not referred to as a deep threat.

Here is your direct quote, ”What we were missing was that HR threat.”

[OldHeidelberg]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

 

https://sports.yahoo.com/article/green-bay-packers-still-expected-012340124.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

With the Packers still expected to cut Jaire(or trade)...what are we doing? Going after Ramsey? I mean...seriously, that has to be on the table. 

We have zero depth at CB. We're not going to have a choice but to sit back in soft zone and hope we can create pressure and then lean heavily on our Safeties. I

I really don't understand why you would leak that you are going to cut him and continue to try and trade him. He will probably sign with the Vikings or Lions and they will luck out and get a healthy season out of him. I agree that CB seems like huge weakness now that we passed on drafting one high. I do get not wanting to throw good money after bad but you need to try to win the Super Bowl too and most of us thought we had a chance with him coming back for the playoffs last year. It seems worth rolling the dice on to me as his teammates seem to like him.  

[JosephC]

Undrafted signings are starting to trickle out.  From Acme Packing Company, which has been a pretty good resource this off-season-

RB - Amar Johnson/South Dakota State

RB - Jalen White/Georgia Southern

WR - Julian Fleming/Penn State

OL - Tyler Cooper/Minnesota

OL - J.J. Lippe/Northern Illinois

OL - Brant Banks/Rice

DT - Nazir Stackhouse/Georgia

LB - Jamon Dumas-Johnson/Kentucky

CB - Tyron Herring/Delaware

CB - Kahzir "Buggs" Brown/Florida Atlantic

S - Johnathan Baldwin/UNLV

Tryout-

QB - Taylor Elgersma/Willfrid Laurier

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2025/4/26/24418295/green-bay-packers-2025-undrafted-free-agent-tracker-signings-news-rumors-roster-update

[OldHeidelberg]

Stackhouse sounds like a guy who might stick as Slaton's replacement as run stuffer. I was thinking we still had Jonathon Ford but he is with the Bears now.

[JosephC]

14 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I have to say I am not a huge fan of our haul overall. I don't dislike any of the players but we really didn't add much help for this year. I get we like to take guys in later rounds to fill holes for future years but I don't see tons of obvious upgrades. Here is my pick by pick analysis.

1) Golden A-, The value and upside is great. I would have preferred a more posseion based receiver but had Golden ranked 12th overall. If Lafluer can find a way to utilize the speed of Golden and Reed without overlapping talents the speed is extremely valuable. 

2) Belton B/C, My issue here is that I don't think he can play guard. If he has more versatility than I think, I will give this a B, if not C. I don't like that he is 24 and probably won't play much this year. I guess if we drafted a younger guy who will have a bit more upside that would have made more sense. I do like that this, with Banks, looks like a nod to a path for a sustained power running game.

3) Savion Williams C+,  I liked Williams as a sleeper but the 3rd is a touch high. If Watson is out most of the year and maybe we trade Doubs I like this pick a bunch. If we keep Doubs and Watson only misses a few games we drafted him as a 6/7/8 (Hardman/Heath) in the 3rd. His size and athletism should allow him inside or outside eventually in my opinion, maybe not right away but he has a year or two to develop.

4) Barryn Sorrell B  Sorrell is another player I like but the depth chart makes me wonder how much he will play. If he can beat out Kingsley this is a great pick, but Mosby and Cox could have something to say.

5)Collin Oliver B+.   I am guessing he will be used as an off ball LB instead of a edge rusher. It's hard to dislike someone who had 11.5 sacks as a freshman in a power 5 school. As a 5th rounder I am fine with the value compared to the upside and not needing him much to play this year.

6/7/7)Brinson, Robinson, Williams. B-    None of these guys were really on my radar but I can see the upside and won't complain about any of them.

Overall= C.   I really would have liked to see a TJ Slaton replacement at some point and not getting a CB earlier is a mistake. Even if Jaire is back it would have been a good idea to get another corner. I think the biggest disappointment is that after Golden I don't see anyone helping much this year.

I'd go a little lower-

Golden = B.  Board said he was worth the pick (#21), but I have some reservations over the lack of great production at Houston and the fact that it sounds like he has some work to do on his game.

Belton = B+.  Board had him at #91 so this appears to be an over-draft.  But I like him.  I think he has a chance to start at left tackle although most don't.  Should be a starting guard at worst, and provides some insurance at left tackle if Walker leaves and Morgan is not up to the task.

Williams = D-.  I hate this pick.  Only upside I see is that he looks fairly good on those red-zone, jump-ball type plays.  Otherwise he seems like a guy with bad hands, gear-down when making cuts, need to install gadget plays in order to get him involved.

Sorrell = B-.  His workout numbers show better than his field athletic ability shows.  But not a bad player.  Could be one of those guys who gets 7 sacks a year and holds up well against the run.  The more you look at him, the more he looks like a lower-ceiling, higher-floor type player.  4th round pick, probably hope the guy is on the field for 65% of the snaps (which is a good number considering how much DLmen are rotated in the modern game), and this looks perfectly achievable.

Oliver = C-.  Gutekunt's press-conference talks about him as a pass rusher and SAM.  I like him a whole lot more as a situational rusher than a SAM, as the reviews I've heard about his one year as a off-ball linebacker were not great.  Seems like a better fit as a 3-4 OLB.

Brinson = C-.  I can appreciate the competition at Georgia is top-notch, but it's still concerning that he only started 8 games in 5 years.  But this is pick #198, and there is enough athletic ability there where I don't hate the pick.

Robinson = C.  Only 1 year at Tulane, was at Furman before that.  Actual height is 5-10 3/4, 184 pounds, ran a 4.39 at Tulane's pro day.  Second team all-conference this past season.  Other than that, I don't know squat.

Williams = C.  Another left tackle that pretty much everyone says will be a guard despite good workout numbers and long arms.  We'll see.  Sounds like his play while at Cincinnati was pretty average.

So what does that come out to?  Probably a C+ when just looking at the players?  

Final grade = C-

So I'll knock it down to C- for the following reasons.  Gutekunst said he would like more picks but failed to add any when it looks like there should have been several opportunities available.  Almost everybody had pass-rushing end, cornerback and wide receiver as the three most pressing immediate needs, and it was round four before defensive end was addressed and round seven before cornerback was addressed.  After adding a round one wide receiver, was wide receiver still such a need area that it needed to be addressed again in round three? 

[JosephC]

One other interesting thing to note for those who follow the old Badgers.  The Colts drafted Hunter Wohler as a linebacker, not a defensive back.

[JosephC]

Player versus athlete.

All of these numbers only apply to players who were at the combine.

I started and noticed one thing immediately.  Matthew Golden's Next Gen number for production is 74, for athleticism was 87.  Much better athlete than player then, right?  Well, not really.  When looking at the rank, the 74 ranked 9th on the production chart and the 87 is ranked 9th on the athleticism chart.  I thought this could say the player versus athlete evaluation dramatically, but it ended up only impacting Golden.

Matthew Golden / Athletic = 87, rank = 9 / Production = 74, rank = 9, RESULT = EVEN in terms of rank

Belton / Athletic = 72, rank = 19 / Production = 73, rank = 10, RESULT = Production

Savion Williams / Athletic = 83, rank = 12 / Production = 72, rank = 15, RESULT = Athlete

Sorrell / Athletic = 78, rank = 8 / Production = 64, rank = 27, RESULT = Athlete

Oliver / Athletic = 80, rank = 7 / Production = 69, rank = 20, RESULT = Athlete

Brinson / Athletic = 76, rank = 13 / Production = 65, rank = 22, RESULT = Athlete

Robinson = Not at Combine

John Williams / Athletic = 78, rank = 10 / Production = 67, rank = 15, RESULT = Athlete

[LouisEly]

6 hours ago, JosephC said:

Almost everybody outside of their building had pass-rushing end, cornerback and wide receiver as the three most pressing immediate needs

FIFY

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm just not seeing CB as a big weakness. Jaire shouldn't even count as a loss, they were playing without him most of the year. Ballentine is just a guy, Stokes is mediocre and at least held together last year, but no issue with him walking. 

Valentine may be the best CB on the team; very excited to see what happens with him. He's still 23, and a hell of a 7th round pick.  Hobbs should be ok, Nixon the same. They are strong at safety, which helps. Bullard is average depth type of player. 

IMO there are 3 things to close the gap to being a real contender. 

1. Gute is right that the pass rushers are already on the team

2. Jordan Love has a much better season

3. Golden is a significant contributor right away 

[CheezWizHed]

Just to summarize my thoughts on the draft weekend.  Like many others, this didn't go quite like I expected, but it is an interesting draft. I saw this draft a bit like a "moneyball" draft in that the Packers went after some unique talent, but the key will be how they use them.

My favorite picks are Williams and Oliver.  Both of these players have very high upside (and high risk) and will need to be utilized "correctly" to maximize their value.  

• Williams is a raw WR and the "not a natural pass catcher" is concerning. But he has 10.25" hands 😲 so hopefully that is a matter of some training.  He seems like a WR/TE hybrid player and hopefully a TD machine for us when we get inside the 10 yard line (a struggle for us last year - save for Jacobs). 
• Oliver - I'm not sure what to make of him.  He could be the classic tweener (too small for DE, not enough wiggle for LB), but if we put him in the right spots, he could be very interesting.  He didn't get much chance to showcase his play at LB, so a development SAM in the 5th round with great pass rush skills is a good grab in the 5th. 

But I think if both of those players are squeezed into a traditional WR/LB mold from the beginning, their talents may be wasted. 

My dark horse candidate is Sorrel.  Maybe a little lighter than our normal DEs, but seems like someone that could really outplay his draft status.  

I wasn't a fan of Golden (despite the perfect name) as a Packer, but I do think he was a good value at #23 and most of the players I wanted there were gone anyway.  Certainly, fits a need, but I hope he doesn't mirror Reed's skills and deficiencies too much. 

Entering the draft, I thought our biggest needs were DT, WR, DE, CB, and OL (in that order), so let's look at where we stand:

DT: We basically kicked this can down the road.  We replaced Slaton with Brinson and Stackhouse (great FB name), but didn't do much for pass rush or future protection.  Clark played better down the stretch (after his toe injury healed), so Clark and Wyatt aren't a terrible starting tandem. I was hoping we could upgrade our pass rush here, but we aren't horrible either.  Man do we like Georgia defenders though...

WR: Added Golden and Williams. Golden will contribute right away, but will have a lot of pressure on him as the first WR in the 1st round since 2002.  Walker was good back then, but never great.  Hopefully Golden will prove me wrong.  I think Reed and Wicks will bounce back in their third year and I hope I'm wrong about Doub's injuries. Questions still abound with this group, but we added talent.

DE: The DE room started out pretty stacked with bodies, but limited in production.  Pass rush was the main concern here.  As I mentioned above, Sorrel could be a steal, and I look forward to seeing him with pads on. It wouldn't surprise me to see LVN rush from inside a bit more on obvious passing downs while Cox and Oliver get some reps at DE. 

I do think that we will see a lot of Walker and Cooper doing some LB blitzes.  If you have Gary, Wyatt, Clark/LVN, Oliver pinning their ears back with Cooper blitzing... that has to be scary to block. 

CB: I've thought that our current CBs of Nixon, Hobbes, Valentine, and Bullard (slot only) made a solid floor for our CB room.  But depth was a major concern after those four and we don't have any strong "upside" candidates either.  One 7th round CB (with minimal experience) and two UDFAs didn't really allay those fears.  I still think we have a solid start, but if we have injuries we are in trouble. Perhaps bringing back Douglas as a backup might help. A training camp trade should also be considered. 

OL:  We came in with a strong top 6 OL with a few development candidates.  Now we added two college OTs that might swing to G.  Walker, Banks, Jennings, Rhyan, Tom provides a floor for our OL that is (at worst) the same as last year (solid) with some upside to improve at center.  A healthy Morgan and Belton should be competing at LT and RG for a starting position.  Monk had a year to gain strength and Jennings gaining experience provide the C backup.  With Telfort, Glover, and Williams being the development T/G players. 

So while I would've liked a bit more upside brought into the DT room, I think we got creative on providing some pass rush, shored up the WR team and still have major depth concerns at CB...

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Walker was good back then, but never great. 

I remembered Walker being pretty damn amazing before his holdout so I wanted to look it up; his last season in GB was phenomenal. He was 3rd in the league in yards (1382 - a lot more back then than it is today), by about 20 yards on 20 fewer targets than 1 and 2. I remember him being a magnet that season, coming down with anything that went his way. Then he ended his holdout, got hurt in Week 1 thus proving his point, went to Denver had one OK year but was never the same. 

Talent wise, he was every bit the star he was picked to be; just got derailed by that injury.

[JosephC]

I'll go with the Eagles as having the most impressive draft on paper.  I was a bit skeptical when people started putting LB-Jihaad Campbell in the top 15, but #31 is probably a little lower than he should have gone.  Versatile guy who may be able to play ILB or OLB for them (looking at the rest of their roster, I think they will probably start him out at OLB).  S-Andrew Mukuba had a mid third round grade on my board (#82), but he wasn't going to make it to their third round pick and I think he's a solid pick at #64 because he seemed to be a bit under-rated.  Has a good blend of production and athletic ability.  I thought there was a strong case to be made that he should be the third safety picked, and he turned out to be the third safety picked.

Trade downs start and they end up with a bunch of extra picks.  They grabbed DT-Ty Robinson in round four and I love this pick.  He could fit in their line in a couple different spots (not nose tackle), and should be a solid player for them,  He won't unseat Jalen Carter anytime soon, so he'll likely begin at DE.  Fifth round they took CB-Mac McWilliams, LB-Smael Mondon Jr and C-Drew Kendall.  McWilliams is just sort of an average pick.  Sturdy built guy that runs well, could end up being a good nickel back.  Mondon is light (most the linebackers in this draft are), but can run and has a ton of experience.  I think one could make a strong argument that he should have been the fourth linebacker off the board and is a solid round four guy, so to get him in the mid-to-late round five area seems to be good value.  I didn't mind Kendall as a late round flyer pick, and wouldn't have minded seeing the Packers grab him with a 7th rounder, but round five may have been too high for him.  IMO, the most questionable of the Eagles selections.

Four picks in round six: QB-Kyle McCord, OT-Myles Hinton, OT-Cameron Williams, EDGE-Antwaun Powell-Ryland.  I'm not really a fan of McCord (not really a fan of any of the QBs in this draft), but round six seems like a pretty reasonable spot for him.  Williams was a borderline first rounder when I started playing with mock draft simulators back in January.  Obviously he wasn't that good, but he has perfect offensive tackle size and only one year of starting experience, so there are tools to work with.  Decent enough value in round six.  Hinton has significant experience at both left tackle and right tackle, and looked like one of the best late-round swing-tackle prospects available in this draft.  I was expecting Powell-Ryland to go a bit higher than this.  Workout numbers showed more athleticism that the tape does, but the guy was a sack machine at Virginia Tech and he could wind up being a pretty good 3-4 OLB pass rusher. 

In summary, I thought Campbell, Mukuba, Robinson, and Powell-Ryland were good-to-great picks.  Only one I thought was really questionable was Kendall.

[Joseph Zarr]

Don't care about the takes any more - nationally, locally, or here on our board. I don't mean this flippantly, whatsoever. What I can say quite confidently is the Packers personnel and scouting department did their best to marry their board and their picks within the overarching back drop of the greater conversation about this Packers football team and the evolution of the roster in concert with the coaching staff. This haul - most definitely including a fairly impressive UDFA class- is where we find ourselves heading into rookie minicamp. None of us know anything about these players until they play a pre-season snap. And, even then we don't reallllllly know until they earn actual regular season snaps. All I want from the draft is more meaningful depth and some early snaps earned. I remember just last season how confounded 'experts' were by the Evan Williams pick. I'll let the chips fall where they may. 

The draft week was incredible. I spent the majority of Days 2 and 3 at the Noble Roots Micro Brewery sipping delicious adult beverages and convening with the awesome Packers fans in that establishment. As I said earlier, Night 1 was unbelievable. I am going to feed off that absolute VIBE for years. I'll trust Steve Smith and Todd McShay on that Rd 1 pick - Golden was their favorite WR in this entire class. Why not stay dream-filled and positive and root for the best? I'm going to do my best to rest in that question and unknown answer for now.

[Team Canada]

https://www.packers.com/news/barryn-sorrell-coming-to-green-bay-was-just-meant-to-be

Pretty cool story about Sorrell coming to GB for the draft.

[Joseph Zarr]

What on Earth?! This is nuts.

 

 

 

 

[CheezWizHed]

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I remembered Walker being pretty damn amazing before his holdout so I wanted to look it up; his last season in GB was phenomenal. He was 3rd in the league in yards (1382 - a lot more back then than it is today), by about 20 yards on 20 fewer targets than 1 and 2. I remember him being a magnet that season, coming down with anything that went his way. Then he ended his holdout, got hurt in Week 1 thus proving his point, went to Denver had one OK year but was never the same. 

Talent wise, he was every bit the star he was picked to be; just got derailed by that injury.

Good: 

Javon Walker:

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
83	46		267	4011	15	31

Great:

Jordy Nelson

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
151	102		613	8587	14	72

Donald Driver:

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
205	155		743	10137	13.6	61

 

I wasn't knocking Walker by saying he was "good"... not like I was saying he was a bust.  He had one great season with us and one very good season with Denver, and that was it.  He was good, not great. 

[CheezWizHed]

6 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

What on Earth?! This is nuts.

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure that "pin-up" photos are allowed in the forums...

I hope he plays as well as he tests!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

16 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Good: 

Javon Walker:

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
83	46		267	4011	15	31

Great:

Jordy Nelson

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
151	102		613	8587	14	72

Donald Driver:

G	GS		Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD
205	155		743	10137	13.6	61

 

I wasn't knocking Walker by saying he was "good"... not like I was saying he was a bust.  He had one great season with us and one very good season with Denver, and that was it.  He was good, not great. 

Well yeah if we're going to compare career totals for a guy that blew his ACL in Week 1 of Year 4 and was clearly never the same again. I think your post implies that he didn't live up to being drafted #20, which is a bit obtuse to me as he ascended every year in the league, topped out in his 3rd year as one of the top 5 best WRs in the league and then blew out his ACL. For my money, he was a much better, more talented player than Donald Driver. 

Walker was a prototype #1 you build an offense around; Driver was usually not even the best WR on the team unless the team was very bad. IMO, Walker was the most gifted WR the Packers have had between Sterling Sharpe and Davante Adams. I wouldn't argue with anyone claiming Jordy, but Walker was that level of talent.

If we're taking a snapshot of his career stats, Bill Schroeder was better. I love DD before the mob comes for me, but his trademark was always grit and longevity and toughness. But he was never a true superstar.

[Joseph Zarr]

Ol Head Justis Mosqueda (who covers Edge rushers annually for the NFL Draft) is outspoken in his praise of Sorrel. Ross Uglem fell in love with Him the last two weeks. Mosqueda did a break down (visit his article at Acme Packing Company discussing the Value of the pick) of how he views him as a Top 100 pick after watching his entire 2024 season.

Some of the players he listed as historical direct comps (size, speed and bend criteria exacts) are stunning. Montez Sweat, Trey Hendrickson, and Trayvon Walker. Apparently, LVN is also on this list 😆.

[CheezWizHed]

1 hour ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Ol Head Justis Mosqueda (who covers Edge rushers annually for the NFL Draft) is outspoken in his praise of Sorrel. Ross Uglem fell in love with Him the last two weeks. Mosqueda did a break down (visit his article at Acme Packing Company discussing the Value of the pick) of how he views him as a Top 100 pick after watching his entire 2024 season.

Some of the players he listed as historical direct comps (size, speed and bend criteria exacts) are stunning. Montez Sweat, Trey Hendrickson, and Trayvon Walker. Apparently, LVN is also on this list 😆.

So your stance on ignoring "takes" lasted all of 1 hour!  Nice job! 😂 I did read that article and thought it was funny how he was compared to two guys we wanted on the team (Sweat and Hendrickson) and one guy we already have (LVN).  I guess we have a "type". 

2 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think your post implies that he didn't live up to being drafted #20, which is a bit obtuse to me as he ascended every year in the league, topped out in his 3rd year as one of the top 5 best WRs in the league and then blew out his ACL. For my money, he was a much better, more talented player than Donald Driver. 

Think what you like, but I clearly stated he was a good pick and not a bust.  Sure, it was due to injury (and a bit of arrogance) that he only had one good year with the Packers, but so what?  We draft for people to produce.  One great season with the Packers and two ok, developing seasons make a "good" pick, IMO. 

Jordy Nelson was clearly a better WR.  Greg Jennings was better too - depending on what you want to compare.

Sorry if I insulted your son!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I didn't say you said he was a bust. I don't think you said he was a bust. But if we are giving "passes" on Eric Stokes for being hurt, Javon Walker certainly deserves one as he had already reached star status in his 3rd year. He produced, but more than that he was a 6'3 215lber that ran a 4.38 and was a triple jumper at FSU.

Jordy Nelson was a great player. I think Jennings was really good, but a notch below Nelson. Jennings was soft as a cupcake, avoided contact in any context he could, and never had Jordy's other-worldly instincts. I don't think there was a better back-shoulder WR in the NFL than Jordy. 

But they didn't have the measurables or talent that Javon Walker did, and I think that's significant when the topic is the Packers drafting first rounders. Walker was precisely the kind of talent that people have wanted the Packers to grab in the 1st round. I don't really believe that Jennings or Nelson do what they did without Rodgers, though I don't think Nelson ever got the respect he deserved around the league, because, well, you know. I think they're good in their own right, but I do believe Walker would have been a star just about anywhere if healthy.

Clearly, Jennings, Nelson and Driver had more productive careers, but I don't think any of the 3 are the prototype that Walker was.

[BrewerFan]

On 4/27/2025 at 7:17 AM, Sixtolezcano said:

You said he wasn’t a deep threat, but a possession receiver!

A possession receiver is typically not referred to as a deep threat.

Here is your direct quote, ”What we were missing was that HR threat.”

No, I'm saying he's both, not just a possession WR, but if you want a "possession" WR, he's also that. 

4.29 40 and in the top 5 in the power 4 schools now at big plays...AND shockingly, he can also catch the ball and pick up 6 yards on 3rd down. 

[patrickgpe]

giving myself a day to digest. I would have liked Amos in the 2nd and Sawyer in the 3rd. I don't have much of an opinion on the 3rd day picks. That being said, reading up on Belton and Williams, they seem like players that the Packers would target. 

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, JosephC said:

I'll go with the Eagles as having the most impressive draft on paper.

I'd loved their draft if I was an Eagles fan. They got a guy who...if healthy, should be an impact player from day 1 with Jordan Davis, Jevon Carter, Robinson in front of him and Baun next to him. 

I really would not have minded picking him. I think he's Micah Parsons...lite. But maybe better in the middle of the field. 

The Eagles just have it made right now. Salary cap will be an issue, they'll have to move on from Brown or Smith most likely, but that OL is stacked, the DL is stacked. The secondary...they have a star in Mitchell and DeJean may be as well. 

The Eagles and Lions are both built much like the 49ers were(are?) and...I think that's a big part of why you saw Banks being signed, Belton being drafted, Bond and then a gadget player like Williams picked(though I agree, I wasn't a fan). 

I really hope we hit on Sorrell and Belton in particular.

 

***The Giants draft is pretty high on my list. I think they're doing a great job of building that defense. They now have Dexter Lawrence, IMO the best DL in the league, Brian Burns, Kayvon Thibdon'tknow how to spell that exactly, but adding Alexander from Toledo, Roy Robertson and THEN Abdul Carter? That's a nasty front. I don't think they needed to move up for Dart...especially since I think they'll be bad enough next year to be picking high in a much better QB class.

I also think Mbow is going to be one of the better OL in this class.

Korie Black later in the draft could be a really good pick for them as well.

[patrickgpe]

Steelers, Ravens and Eagles all had excellent drafts on paper. At the end of the day it still a crapshoot