Jacob Misiorowski gets the call to the show!!!

[Team Canada]

1 minute ago, Matt said:

Preister hasn't been good enough to keep his rotation spot if they decide to keep Misi up. He could be sent down or moved to long relief. 

What numbers are you basing this on?

[Turning2]

Let him get a taste. No reason not to. If any of the minor league infielders were ready for 3B, I say get them up for a taste as well.  MIL literally has nothing to lose. They are a wildcard at best and even that is bit of a stretch unless the heart of the order start hitting again. 

[Outlander]

I would also guess that this is for one start and then optioned back down for a reliever but makes Thursday's game more interesting. Unless Priester has a horrible outing tonight he has been really solid the last month and a half so not seeing him go down.

40 man is full but easy enough to put Woodruff on the 60 day IL since he has already been on the IL that long.

[tmwiese55]

12 minutes ago, Turning2 said:

Let him get a taste. No reason not to. If any of the minor league infielders were ready for 3B, I say get them up for a taste as well.  MIL literally has nothing to lose. They are a wildcard at best and even that is bit of a stretch unless the heart of the order start hitting again. 

I know it wasn't the crux of your point, as you were speaking in terms of this year.     But, bringing someone like Pratt up as a hail mary since its unlikely he can be worse than what they have would likely be costing MIL years of future control of Pratt seasons when he is a much better player than he would be now. 

[Matt]

9 minutes ago, Team Canada said:

What numbers are you basing this on?

FIP and fWAR. 

[markedman5]

11 minutes ago, Matt said:

Preister hasn't been good enough to keep his rotation spot if they decide to keep Misi up. He could be sent down or moved to long relief. 

Based on Murphy’s comments they don’t want to burn his last option this season so it’s unlikely he will be sent down.

 

[Oxy]

Just now, Matt said:

FIP and fWAR. 

Priester is a ground ball machine--right into our gold glove mitts.  And he only has 1 option left.  I doubt he is optioned.  Grant Anderson is a righty who threw 42 pitches yesterday--it's likely him being optioned but he only has one left too so maybe not.  Could be Hall...

I never thought of putting Woody back on the 60 day IL...I doubt that happens thought either.  They have a lot of fodder to DFA (Peguero/Hudson/McGee/ERod/CarRod) to make room on the 40 man.  It will prolly be something I haven't mentioned though.

[Matt]

2 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

Based on Murphy’s comments they don’t want to burn his last option this season so it’s unlikely he will be sent down.

 

I think that's fine. I like him in the middle/long relief role. 

[Playing Catch]

I doubt you can put Woodruff from the 60-day to the 15-day and the 40-man, only to be put BACK on the 60-day. But I think he's eligible to come back from a 60-day injury on June 24, so if they think he's out until then anyway, then I suppose that would work.

But who knows... dude's healing from 3 different injuries.

[Thurston Fluff]

7 minutes ago, Matt said:

FIP and fWAR. 

I think that shows the limitations of FIP and fWAR more than ti does the lack of Preister's performance. FIP especially gets overused as a predictor of true talent. It's a tool to use in tandem with other tools to assess talent but often is used as a definition of it.

[Playing Catch]

41 minutes ago, Oxy said:

I like the bringing a guy up and then sending him back down--although hopefully after a couple of appearances and as long as his going back down is "scheduled" in that he knows that no matter how he performs good/bad or ugly he is going to head back to AAA.  It's kind of like a trial run and takes as much pressure to perform off as possible when a guy knows he isn't playing for his roster spot. 

We don't NEED Miz right now, but we might need him him September and October.  Getting his feet wet now and acclimating him to the Show for a couple of outings will do him some good when the pressure isn't quite at the level of a playoff run.

I agree with all of this. You can control IPs between all of these guys. Just keep shuttling Henderson/Misiorowski/whomever else.

[duewizard]

Mitchell was put on the IL April 26, which makes him 60 day elligible to return on June 25. His return is expected for late June and I'm guessing he would get maybe a week in rehab assignment. To me, that move makes the most sense. 

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think that shows the limitations of FIP and fWAR more than ti does the lack of Preister's performance. FIP especially gets overused as a predictor of true talent. It's a tool to use in tandem with other tools to assess talent but often is used as a definition of it.

Yea, that's why I'm using both. I could point to a 15% K% too. He's already being used as the second leg with an opener twice in the last two weeks. Just let him continue to pitch in the middle of games.  

[Oxy]

LOL--Easton McGee is recalled and Grant Anderson optioned.  So no Misiorowski yet.  i'm guessing they pitch McGee if they need him and exchange him for Mis whenever they plan on Mis pitching, which apparently isn't today...

[Joseph Zarr]

11 minutes ago, Oxy said:

LOL--Easton McGee is recalled and Grant Anderson optioned.  So no Misiorowski yet.  i'm guessing they pitch McGee if they need him and exchange him for Mis whenever they plan on Mis pitching, which apparently isn't today...

The plan, as has been reported as of today, is for Miz to start Thursday vs the Cardinals. You are likely correct, though, that McGee is likely bullpen insurance after Anderson's elevated pitch count yesterday (not to mention the fact he did not look very sharp) and it would seem he would be the logical candidate to get swapped out.

[Thurston Fluff]

10 minutes ago, Matt said:

Yea, that's why I'm using both. I could point to a 15% K% too. He's already being used as the second leg with an opener twice in the last two weeks. Just let him continue to pitch in the middle of games.  

I think there's a difference between using the stats that support your belief and using all available ones to determine what to believe. 

[Outlander]

30 minutes ago, Playing Catch said:

I doubt you can put Woodruff from the 60-day to the 15-day and the 40-man, only to be put BACK on the 60-day. But I think he's eligible to come back from a 60-day injury on June 24, so if they think he's out until then anyway, then I suppose that would work.

But who knows... dude's healing from 3 different injuries.

Woodruff has been on the 15 day IL all season and can be moved to the 60 day at any time.

[TURBO]

59 minutes ago, Matt said:

Preister hasn't been good enough to keep his rotation spot if they decide to keep Misi up. He could be sent down or moved to long relief. 

Dude...

[Matt]

25 minutes ago, Thurston Fluff said:

I think there's a difference between using the stats that support your belief and using all available ones to determine what to believe. 

Literally every single stat we have available says he's a back of the rotation starter at best. I'm talking about replacing his spot with a guy who projects to be a font of the rotation starter. Who else is gonna go if not Preister? Not Peralta, Patrick, or Quintana. I would be good with Civale getting replaced, but my guess is his veteran status makes him safe and he'll get every chance. So it's Preister or Misiorowski. If you're going to give the ball to one guy, I think the answer is plainly obvious.

[Playing Catch]

19 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Woodruff has been on the 15 day IL all season and can be moved to the 60 day at any time.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the correction.

[brewcrewdue80]

3 hours ago, dlk9s said:

Can he hit?

Batters from time to time yes.

[Gump]

That’s awesome!

[brewcrewdue80]

Is the timing beyond typically Super 2 status? If so, keep him up. If not, send him down long enough til that threshold has passed.  If off Monday, sending him back down immediately makes sense. Have to skip his turn, have it be a part of days needed to stop his clock then call him back up.

His innings control could also be helped if he comes out of bullpen on say Tuesday. 6man rotation he gets to start 5/6 days later. 

 

[Turning2]

1 hour ago, tmwiese55 said:

I know it wasn't the crux of your point, as you were speaking in terms of this year.     But, bringing someone like Pratt up as a hail mary since its unlikely he can be worse than what they have would likely be costing MIL years of future control of Pratt seasons when he is a much better player than he would be now. 

Yes, they have to be strategic / smart about it. 

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Is the timing beyond typically Super 2 status? If so, keep him up. If not, send him down long enough til that threshold has passed.  If off Monday, sending him back down immediately makes sense. Have to skip his turn, have it be a part of days needed to stop his clock then call him back up.

His innings control could also be helped if he comes out of bullpen on say Tuesday. 6man rotation he gets to start 5/6 days later. 

 

The Super 2 thing is exactly why a lot of people predicted he'd be up shortly after the first week of June. That's absolutely why he's up now.