Chourio's Return

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

I got to thinking this morning.  Where do you slot Chourio in when he returns?

Frelick RF

Collins LF

Contreras C

Yelich DH

Chourio CF

Vaughn 1B

Turang 2B

Durbin/Siegler 3B

Ortiz SS

What a good problem to have!

[wibadgers23]

Perhaps he's DH for a week or so once he returns, just to ease him back.

[Brian]

Jackson Chourio Injury update: Running at 75 percent intensity.  So if you want to get him back to 100% it could be early September.  Don't push him if we don't have to or we'll end up like the Bucks where they were like a limping nursing home at the end of the season last year. 

[wiguy94]

10 hours ago, BrewCrewBlueDevil said:

I got to thinking this morning.  Where do you slot Chourio in when he returns?

Frelick RF

Collins LF

Contreras C

Yelich DH

Chourio CF

Vaughn 1B

Turang 2B

Durbin/Siegler 3B

Ortiz SS

What a good problem to have!

1. Frelick

2. Chourio

3. Contreras

4. Yelich

5. Vaughn

6. Collins

7. Turang

8. Durbin/Seigler

9. Ortiz

[kestrel79]

We're winning without him, need him down the stretch for the playoffs. Rest him now make sure he's 100% don't want this coming back and nagging him and he's out for the playoffs.

[Turning2]

21 hours ago, Brian said:

Jackson Chourio Injury update: Running at 75 percent intensity.  So if you want to get him back to 100% it could be early September.  Don't push him if we don't have to or we'll end up like the Bucks where they were like a limping nursing home at the end of the season last year. 

There is zero reason at the moment to rush him back. Everybody knows hammys are tricky. 

[BrewerFan]

22 hours ago, BrewCrewBlueDevil said:

I got to thinking this morning.  Where do you slot Chourio in when he returns?

Frelick RF

Collins LF

Contreras C

Yelich DH

Chourio CF

Vaughn 1B

Turang 2B

Durbin/Siegler 3B

Ortiz SS

What a good problem to have!

I'm not entirely sure why they choose to go with Frelick in RF rather than CF?

At the time I just thought it was because they knew Chourio was the future and we weren't quite so sure about Sal. We thought so...

 

Now I'm thinking I'd rather see Chouio RF, Ferlick in CF. At least immediately upon returning.

Then... swap 'em back. A little less intense running(unless you're a psycho from Boston and you're just gonna run into the wall eveytime there's a ball within 20 rows of the field anyway). 

[liveforoctober]

4 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

We're winning without him, need him down the stretch for the playoffs. Rest him now make sure he's 100% don't want this coming back and nagging him and he's out for the playoffs.

This x100. If the Brewers have a rested, healthy Chourio who can come close to repeating his 2024 closing numbers ... we are going to be in such a good position. I personally don't want to see him or Hoskins until 9/1 at the earliest. Rest up for the stretch and finish off the most magical season of our lives.

[BruisedCrew]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

I'm not entirely sure why they choose to go with Frelick in RF rather than CF?

At the time I just thought it was because they knew Chourio was the future and we weren't quite so sure about Sal. We thought so...

 

Now I'm thinking I'd rather see Chouio RF, Ferlick in CF. At least immediately upon returning.

Then... swap 'em back. A little less intense running(unless you're a psycho from Boston and you're just gonna run into the wall eveytime there's a ball within 20 rows of the field anyway). 

I think one of the reasons they had Chourio in center was because Frelick has been dealing with a sore knee.

When Chourio comes back, it could come down to who they think is at more risk from more running.

Of course, Perkins will get some playing time too. Then again someone might get injured or reinjured and this will never become  an issue. 

[BrewerFan]

12 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I think one of the reasons they had Chourio in center was because Frelick has been dealing with a sore knee.

When Chourio comes back, it could come down to who they think is at more risk from more running.

Of course, Perkins will get some playing time too. Then again someone might get injured or reinjured and this will never become  an issue. 

IDK, Chourio started the year in CF and Frelick in the corner OF spots.

It was loong before his knee issue.

And yes, Perkins will get time there, but I'm thinking about the main lineup down the stretch and post-season. 

*It is possible Chourio is better in CF than the corner OF spots. It's harder to get a read in CF than the corner. The ball slices more and while it's always hard when a LD is hit right at you and that can get any OFer... it's either that, or they just have Chourio penciled in as their primary CFer for a decade. 

Lets just hope we have everyone to choose from, including Hoskins. I think he's still got a role to play. Bat off the bench? Whatever it may be, he's been in big spots and he's still a nice power bat. 

[BruisedCrew]

Frelick has been dealing with a knee issue for quite awhile since surgery two years ago. His recent absence was just a recurrence of that. 

[Brian]

37 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

I think one of the reasons they had Chourio in center was because Frelick has been dealing with a sore knee.

I thought it was because Chourio had trouble with pulled hooking balls in left.  He is not an A+ outfielder in the corners at all.

[BrewerFan]

11 minutes ago, Brian said:

I thought it was because Chourio had trouble with pulled hooking balls in left.  He is not an A+ outfielder in the corners at all.

 

25 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

It's harder to get a read in CF than the corner.

Yeah, you're right. I said I thought it was possible Chourio was better in CF, but then misspoke here. 

It's tougher to get a read in the CORNER than in CF. You see the ball better where corner OF takes more reps.

I know Yount said it, but before he played CF, he played LF and thought that was harder. 

I personally thought that... but I played like one year in HS in the OF before playing catcher. Plus... it's HS Baseball... in Wisconsin, so Yount may have a touch more credibility in this area! 

[JohnBriggs12]

They've been getting great performances by enough guys in his absences, but don't kid yourselves, they are going to need Chourio to finish the job.  His skill level is off the charts.

[Turning2]

On 8/15/2025 at 12:00 PM, BrewerFan said:

I'm not entirely sure why they choose to go with Frelick in RF rather than CF?

At the time I just thought it was because they knew Chourio was the future and we weren't quite so sure about Sal. We thought so...

 

Now I'm thinking I'd rather see Chouio RF, Ferlick in CF. At least immediately upon returning.

Then... swap 'em back. A little less intense running(unless you're a psycho from Boston and you're just gonna run into the wall eveytime there's a ball within 20 rows of the field anyway). 

The broadcast guys say Frelick has the strongest arm, That tool is valued in RF to make the longer throws.

[BrewerFan]

7 hours ago, Turning2 said:

The broadcast guys say Frelick has the strongest arm, That tool is valued in RF to make the longer throws.

Well.... you don't really need to rely on the broadcast guys when they track these things. Velocity when making a throw from the OF and...they're actually pretty even here(actually, I believe Chourio is marginally better). But you're not ever putting a player in RF rather than CF because they have may have a marginally stronger throwing arm, and again, Chourio actually has the marginally stronger arm, though... it's close enough to be irrelevant here.

Frelick AND Chourio both have good arms.

You'd never say PCA has a great arm and as such, you put the guy with the better arm in RF. You'd lose too much value from the guy playing the MOST important position in the OF...covering the MOST ground. 

 

 

[BrewerFan]

14 hours ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

They've been getting great performances by enough guys in his absences, but don't kid yourselves, they are going to need Chourio to finish the job.  His skill level is off the charts.

Chourio may still be the most important player on this team. He and Yelich. He can change the game with a swing of the bat, a bunt base hit, stealing 2nd...most everything but a walk!

[Brian]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Well.... you don't really need to rely on the broadcast guys when they track these things. Velocity when making a throw from the OF and...they're actually pretty even here(actually, I believe Chourio is marginally better). But you're not ever putting a player in RF rather than CF because they have may have a marginally stronger throwing arm, and again, Chourio actually has the marginally stronger arm, though... it's close enough to be irrelevant here.

Where did you get this info from? Chourio is only avg but Yelich actually has the poorest outfield arm on the team. Sal's statcast avg is 85.6 

[BrewerFan]

8 minutes ago, Brian said:

Where did you get this info from? Chourio is only avg but Yelich actually has the poorest outfield arm on the team. Sal's statcast avg is 85.6 

And Chourio is 86. 

So... 85.6 vs 86. Marginally better. Even if Frelick was 90, you're not putting him in RF if he's a better CFer(which I think he is). 

As I said earlier, I think Chourio may be worse in the corner OF spots.

As for Yelich... yeah, he's... obviously the worst, but he wasn't part of the discussion. 

 

A better example would be Perkins. He's got a stronger arm than either. You're not putting him in RF because of his arm strength. 

There really isn't a big enough difference in ANY of our OFers to designate them as LF/RF/CF based on their arm. There's no Khris Davis or Jay Buhner out there(Yelich is lower this year, but he's made very few throws, even he's been...comparable to Collins in the past and his max velocity has decreased substantially as the season has gone on, likely due to that lingering back issue he's finally addressed). 

[Turning2]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Well.... you don't really need to rely on the broadcast guys when they track these things. Velocity when making a throw from the OF and...they're actually pretty even here(actually, I believe Chourio is marginally better). But you're not ever putting a player in RF rather than CF because they have may have a marginally stronger throwing arm, and again, Chourio actually has the marginally stronger arm, though... it's close enough to be irrelevant here.

Frelick AND Chourio both have good arms.

You'd never say PCA has a great arm and as such, you put the guy with the better arm in RF. You'd lose too much value from the guy playing the MOST important position in the OF...covering the MOST ground. 

 

 

I have too many life responsibilities to get mired in all the stats, data, metrics, so I trust the broadcast team has some clue. The other aspect is accuracy of course. Maybe the numbers show he's better there. With his speed, Pete Rose like tenacity, and penchant for making big defensive plays, he does seem like more of a logical fit in CF to me too. Murph must know something we don't. 

[Brian]

57 minutes ago, Turning2 said:

I have too many life responsibilities to get mired in all the stats, data, metrics, so I trust the broadcast team has some clue. The other aspect is accuracy of course. Maybe the numbers show he's better there. With his speed, Pete Rose like tenacity, and penchant for making big defensive plays, he does seem like more of a logical fit in CF to me too. Murph must know something we don't. 

Maybe when you're retired you'll have more time like me. LOL 😀 

[Playing Catch]

Brewers throw speed chart (I ranked by max throw, but I'm not sure it will link that way).

No real surprises here. Part of it is the opportunity to max out. Outfielders can get opportunities to gather momentum for their throws.

I'm not sure I trust average velocities, as an infielder's internal clock specifies how hard to throw in order to maximize accuracy.

[sveumrules]

Easy answer (besides the team has access to more information than we do) is that Sal has already graded out as a Top Three RF with his +27 DRS | +17 FRV since 2023 trailing only Wilyer Abreu (+30 DRS | +18 FRV) and Tatis Jr. (+47 DRS | +27 FRV), so just keep him there.

Neither Sal (427 innings of +2 DRS | +2 FRV) nor Jackson (654 innings of -1 DRS | +3 FRV) has much of a sample in CF, but our best OF alignment long term likely features Jackson in CF so might as well give him some experience to see what he's got out there.

[Turning2]

4 hours ago, Brian said:

Maybe when you're retired you'll have more time like me. LOL 😀 

Inching closer. Hopefully just a few more years until early retirement

[BrewLongma34]

On 8/14/2025 at 11:53 PM, wiguy94 said:

1. Frelick

2. Chourio

3. Contreras

4. Yelich

5. Vaughn

6. Collins

7. Turang

8. Durbin/Seigler

9. Ortiz

It’s amazing how Chourio brightens up a lineup!