Packers 2025 regular season

[adambr2]

The Cardinals blew numerous late leads under Gannon’s watch the past few years. Seems to me that he should be a seamless fit for our culture. 

[GAME05]

If Gannon doesn't prove himself right away he'll be on a short leash. Eight years, at the most.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

To be fair I won't blame him when our defense gives up 80 yards of field in 90 seconds with a 3-pt lead. That was going on long before he got here.

[JosephC]

15 hours ago, GAME05 said:

I had the impression the Packers hired Gannon because he was only a day or two away from being hired by somebody else, the Packers kinda liked him so they had to move really quickly and didn't really have anyone else in mind.

That's pretty much what I have gathered from all the various articles.  It sounds like LaFleur put an absolute premium on the candidate having head coaching experience, and Gannon was the only one out there the Packers were sure that they could get.  It is pretty much known at this point that Leonhard had an interview next week, but there are also some rumors floating around that there were a couple more interviews scheduled.  When it sounded like other team(s) may have offered Gannon the job today, the Packers ended the process and offered him before the end of the weekend.

With the Packers front office structure, one never knows how much of the percentage of the decision can be credited to LaFleur, how much to Gutekunst, how much to Policy?  But from everything I've read, it sound like this was 100% driven by LaFleur.

[CheezWizHed]

Would be interesting to go back to the Hafley hire discussions too.  No one was impressed until he showed success.

So which DC would've exceeded cromulence for you? 

[adambr2]

I actually have no issue with the hire. I do find the 4th quarter meltdown correlation to be humorous, though. I think a lot of Packer fans wanted Leonhard and were always going to be disappointed with anyone else. I am as much fine with Gannon as I would have been with most other hires. It’s not Joe Barry.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

29 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Would be interesting to go back to the Hafley hire discussions too.  No one was impressed until he showed success.

So which DC would've exceeded cromulence for you? 

None, that's why I don't really care. I think it's dumb to stress about assistant coaching hires. Their results depend on a million variables, almost all of which change when they get to their new spot. No coach will change the cap mess or lack of depth on the OL, the fact that we have the worst corners in the league, our biggest stars getting hurt down the stretch etc. That's not to say that this team can't compete right now, though. I personally think way too much has been made of Hafley, though. 

[SeaBass]

41 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

No coach will change the cap mess or lack of depth on the OL, the fact that we have the worst corners in the league

Are we sure about that? Is Gute just sitting in a dimly lit room listing out free agent cornerbacks on a spreadsheet and running his own lottery on who to target or is it possible he had discussions with defensive coaches about Hobbs and/or potential draftees?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

44 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

Are we sure about that? Is Gute just sitting in a dimly lit room listing out free agent cornerbacks on a spreadsheet and running his own lottery on who to target or is it possible he had discussions with defensive coaches about Hobbs and/or potential draftees?

If our staff asked for Hobbs and Banks, all the more reason they should have been let go. I actually genuinely hope it was Gute.

[SeaBass]

5 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

If our staff asked for Hobbs and Banks, all the more reason they should have been let go. I actually genuinely hope it was Gute.

Honestly I'd feel a lot more concerned if it is Gute just doing it in a room by himself. I can't speculate how much input is asked specifically from the coaching staff if any but they're the ones you're trusting to do the actual coaching of the players they're being given. It feels like maybe they'd have some thoughts. Unless I'm misremembering I seem to recall Keisean Nixon being a Rich Bisaccia guy when he was hired as ST Coordinator.

[JosephC]

9 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I actually have no issue with the hire. I do find the 4th quarter meltdown correlation to be humorous, though. I think a lot of Packer fans wanted Leonhard and were always going to be disappointed with anyone else. I am as much fine with Gannon as I would have been with most other hires. It’s not Joe Barry.

I don't think it's as much Leonhard, I think there is a large percentage, maybe even a majority of Packer fans that are just not going to give LaFleur a benefit of a doubt at this time.  If they went out and hired a defensive coordinator that was a defensive coordinator last year and finished in the top five in both yards allowed and points allowed, then they would like the hire.  If they had hired a defensive coordinator that had been a head coach with a good win/loss record, then they would like the hire.  But he just went out and hired a guy that was coaching a team that has been terrible the last three years, and that isn't a way to get the fans that are against you back on your side.  Despite the positive rankings as a defensive coordinator in Philadelphia...that was four years ago, Packer fans down on LaFleur are not going to be interested in what happened four years ago.

Demovsky was on ESPN Milwaukee today, and when asked about Bisaccia, I don't remember the exact quote, but it was something like "if you take the Packer's fanbase opinion of Bisaccia, what he is thought of within the Packer's building is the exact opposite."  He talked about how Bisaccia was respected by the players and coaches, and was a good sounding board for both the players and coaches, and thought there is basically no chance that the Packers replace him.  Packer fans hear stuff like that from people like Demovsky, who is definitely NOT the typical ESPN hack, and they will continue to doubt and dislike LaFleur decisions until he can do better than what he has done the last four years. 

[Joseph Zarr]

I don't know if I understand it but I actually came out of this past season generally agreeing with LaFleur's take on Bisaccia and his ST work The coverage units were solid until they lost their gunners and injuries ravaged their best KO cover guys as well. I don't blame Bisaccia one bit for Doubs' colossal miscue in Chicago or McManus' worst game as a pro costing the playoff loss when all was said and done. I personally have come full circle to: the org and the team need to actually designate more resources expressly to returners. They took their All Pro KO returner and appeased his wishes to become an average cover corner. They've just never taken punt return seriously in a long time. Whelan evolved into an absolute Hoss under Rich. I just don't think I can blame Bisaccia when he is forced to rotate Gute's cast of young unproven replacement level players across the board. The Packers as an organization need to treat the Teams in a serious manner. To me, they mostly treat it as an afterthought. McManus. Man. What a god awful season - from forced to play through an injury and costing his team games (again, a Packers problem - why not ride Havrisik's hot hand until you know he's fully healthy?) to ending his team's season by missing three of four colossally important post-season kicks. I don't know. Maybe I'm getting too old.

[SeaBass]

9 hours ago, Joseph Zarr said:

I don't know if I understand it but I actually came out of this past season generally agreeing with LaFleur's take on Bisaccia and his ST work The coverage units were solid until they lost their gunners and injuries ravaged their best KO cover guys as well. I don't blame Bisaccia one bit for Doubs' colossal miscue in Chicago or McManus' worst game as a pro costing the playoff loss when all was said and done. I personally have come full circle to: the org and the team need to actually designate more resources expressly to returners. They took their All Pro KO returner and appeased his wishes to become an average cover corner. They've just never taken punt return seriously in a long time. Whelan evolved into an absolute Hoss under Rich. I just don't think I can blame Bisaccia when he is forced to rotate Gute's cast of young unproven replacement level players across the board. The Packers as an organization need to treat the Teams in a serious manner. To me, they mostly treat it as an afterthought. McManus. Man. What a god awful season - from forced to play through an injury and costing his team games (again, a Packers problem - why not ride Havrisik's hot hand until you know he's fully healthy?) to ending his team's season by missing three of four colossally important post-season kicks. I don't know. Maybe I'm getting too old.

The other lightning rod aspect to Bisaccia is that he's also the assistant head coach, fans not happy with MLF are also going to point to Bisaccia and say, "Is he helping at all??"

I've generally been a Gute supporter but one of my biggest gripes with Gute is, what I interpret to be, the carryover of the TT philosophy of just letting the bottom of the roster guys fill out special teams and call it a day. Sometimes you find good special teams guys that way but it's rolling the dice and showing that they don't really care about special teams that much. But time and time again it costs them wins, and sometimes super bowls. I get it, filling out a roster is hard and special teams is on the field a handful of times a game but when it's that much of an Achilles heel you'd like to think there could be a little more emphasis there.

[Joseph Zarr]

1 hour ago, SeaBass said:

The other lightning rod aspect to Bisaccia is that he's also the assistant head coach, fans not happy with MLF are also going to point to Bisaccia and say, "Is he helping at all??"

I've generally been a Gute supporter but one of my biggest gripes with Gute is, what I interpret to be, the carryover of the TT philosophy of just letting the bottom of the roster guys fill out special teams and call it a day. Sometimes you find good special teams guys that way but it's rolling the dice and showing that they don't really care about special teams that much. But time and time again it costs them wins, and sometimes super bowls. I get it, filling out a roster is hard and special teams is on the field a handful of times a game but when it's that much of an Achilles heel you'd like to think there could be a little more emphasis there.

Honestly, I think a huge gaffe was taking Nixon away from his All-Pro Kick Return duties and trusting Keisean to be anything more than a fill-in back up CB. Obviously there were likely re-signing demands from his agent and he sure doesn't lack confidence BUT I can't help but think the way Gute and co have mishandled the perimeter group has been just as costly as their inattention to the interior D-Line. Colby Wooden was a really nice story in 2025. Wyatt is obviously a difference maker. BUT, Wyatt has had injury woes nearly every season. Just letting a very serviceable player and Packer draft pick like TJ Slaton simply walk away at an extremely fair deal was kind of an egregious oversight. What I perceive to be the Packers biggest ongoing core weakness is their inability to self scout and actually learn from such a process and actually implement correction to be better. As a team and as an org. It just seems like every single season they self-inflict the same mistake patterns. Whether it's lack of investment in ST, lack of experience in coordinator positions, lack of attention to timeout use and clock management, lack of putting players in their obvious best position for success. Why should I watch just a friggin handful of Packers games and know Keisean Nixon is not a slot CB (remember this years back?); Jordan Morgan is clearly not an NFL OG; Brandon McManus is very clearly not kicking with a healthy leg etc. It is utterly mind boggling the amount of easy decisions the Packers as a whole botch. Anywho. it is what it is.

[CheezWizHed]

I think MLF needs to give up playcalling duties.  He gets praised for his ability to structure plays and set up an offense, but there are time he really struggles in executing the offense.  Maybe by giving up the live playcalling, he could focus on challenges, identifying defensive shifts, etc... and then put a bug in the play caller's ear.  

In both the QB and the coach, the main differentiator between the very good and the HOF is the ability to think and adjust on the fly quickly... I'm not sure MLF or Love have that skill (or certainly inconsistent at it).

 

[Brewin]

Everyone knows the Pro Bowl is a complete joke, but the last two days take it to a new level..

Sanders being named to the AFC roster as a QB replacement for Maye, and Keisean Nixon being named as an NFC replacement a CB is completely laughable IMO

[Joseph Zarr]

So, let me get this straight. The NF of L, in one calendar week, selected Shadeur Sanders; Keisean Nixon; and Quay Walker as Pro Bowl replacements. And, then they informed the public HC Bill Belichick - winner of 8 Super Bowls - is not a first ballot HOF'er? This explains quite a bit about a League still incapable of convincing the public it knows what an actual football catch is. Stay serious, folks. The NFL means business.

[nate82]

20 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

And, then they informed the public HC Bill Belichick - winner of 8 Super Bowls - is not a first ballot HOF'er?

Maybe the NFL finally wised up and decided to put in requirements for the hall of very good?  What those requirements are no one knows.  Next year a HC who won one SB and then did nothing afterwards will be a first ballot hall of very good.

Could also be he pissed off a lot of the voters and with Belichick that is probably the reason why.

[HarryDoyle]

3 hours ago, Brewin said:

Everyone knows the Pro Bowl is a complete joke, but the last two days take it to a new level..

Sanders being named to the AFC roster as a QB replacement for Maye, and Keisean Nixon being named as an NFC replacement a CB is completely laughable IMO

Wait a minute. Nixon was named a Pro Bowler? I have to check my calendar to see if it's April 1st.

[CheezWizHed]

17 hours ago, Brewin said:

Everyone knows the Pro Bowl is a complete joke, but the last two days take it to a new level..

Sanders being named to the AFC roster as a QB replacement for Maye, and Keisean Nixon being named as an NFC replacement a CB is completely laughable IMO

The problem is that the players know it is a joke too.  Should I go to the ProBowl or go relax on a beach in the Caribbean?  

Now if Nixon and Sanders were the first people chosen as replacement, that would be nuts.... I need to believe that many, many people (especially for Sanders) turned it down first.  Sanders was the third best QB on his team.  Is this the first time a Pro-Bowl QB had more interceptions than TDs? 

[Fear The Chorizo]

As long as the NFL is ok with restructuring this "Pro Bowl" to mean what it actually reflects - NFL players who are healthy enough after 17 regular season games who have openings on their calendar to play flag football 

 

Does anyone even watch?  Is anything even broadcast??

 

Totally joke

[Joseph Zarr]

Packers just added former Bills DC and former Packers DC candidate (Hafley hire cycle) Bobby Babich to their defensive staff. This is a fairly major get! Love it. Pass Game coordinator and secondary coach it would appear? If Ansley and Covington stay (no word on this yet and I have no idea where that is trending) that would be 4 total coaches on the defensive side with DC on their resumes. As is, Gannon and Babich together is pretty awesome. 

[Underachiever]

8 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

The problem is that the players know it is a joke too.  Should I go to the ProBowl or go relax on a beach in the Caribbean?  

Now if Nixon and Sanders were the first people chosen as replacement, that would be nuts.... I need to believe that many, many people (especially for Sanders) turned it down first.  Sanders was the third best QB on his team.  Is this the first time a Pro-Bowl QB had more interceptions than TDs? 

Namath did it three times.

[yourout]

8 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

As long as the NFL is ok with restructuring this "Pro Bowl" to mean what it actually reflects - NFL players who are healthy enough after 17 regular season games who have openings on their calendar to play flag football 

 

Does anyone even watch?  Is anything even broadcast??

 

Totally joke

There is more contact in a high school powderpuff flag football game than in the pro bowl.

[CheezWizHed]

16 hours ago, Underachiever said:

Namath did it three times.

Whoa.  I've never looked at the 60s era of QB stats before.  Looks like Starr went to the ProBowl in 1960 with 1358 passing yards, 4 TD thrown and 8 INTs... Very different era of FB.

So I suppose Sander's 1400 yds, 7TD, and 10 INTs fit right in... 60 years ago.