Peralta and Myers traded for Jett Williams and Sproat

[Jopal78]

6 hours ago, BallFour said:

Williams ISO being overlooked because of his height is already getting old.

First it’s the minor leagues, and most of his experience is in the lower levels, it’s not even close to the level of pitching he’d see in Milwaukee. 
 

More importantly smaller humans don’t have the same extension and mass as taller players do, and the pitch plane mismatch is more significant. Thus, the margin for error is that much smaller and he’ll need near perfect mechanics. 
 

Can a small player hit for power in the major leagues, sure. Is it likely, no. 
 

They were always going to trade Peralta, I just would've preferred someone who’s ready to play now at a position of need. 

[brewcrewdue80]

2 hours ago, BrewCrew8675309 said:

If Williams had the same numbers in the minors last year but was 6'2 would that be ok? Sounds like we are selling jeans here. That being said, I too had an idea of what Freddy would return and it didn't involve these two or the Mets...

6-2 would be great. I just want a 6ft to 6-5"  

5-7 my mind closing my eyes just hears Levering, "hard ground ball through the hole out of the outstretched arms of Williams to LF for a base hit."  Shorter heights also affect the length of arms. 

[Tedaldtada]

Tobias isn’t inconsequential. A key cog of the resilient pitching staff depth. This is a fair trade although our end of the value (most likely) won’t convey for a few years.

Not only is the farm system strong but it’s at the precipice of churning out a myriad of various skill sets from the high minors. Those clamoring for power surely see the homegrown power of Wilken, Adams, Burke, Dinges, Fischer bubbling up?

Just keep collecting eclectic high-end skill sets across the timeline spectrum and eventually the stars will align.

Although the underlying data isn’t as sparkling, Jett’s batting line looks Made-esque at similar ages/levels. He looks like a rock solid 2-win player with a couple more impressive seasons mixed in during the course of his career. A very good Collins replacement with much more upside.

Sproat is giving me Priester vibes. The Mets know what they are doing with pitchers but let’s see if he can take another half step or more. 

[brewcrewdue80]

18 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

First it’s the minor leagues, and most of his experience is in the lower levels, it’s not even close to the level of pitching he’d see in Milwaukee. 
 

More importantly smaller humans don’t have the same extension and mass as taller players do, and the pitch plane mismatch is more significant. Thus, the margin for error is that much smaller and he’ll need near perfect mechanics. 
 

Can a small player hit for power in the major leagues, sure. Is it likely, no. 
 

They were always going to trade Peralta, I just would've preferred someone who’s ready to play now at a position of need. 

Spot on but I just seen on FB a sorta Savant graphic to Williams.  He had a High pull and even higher pull Air rate.  So he could bomb some more over the short LF wall than normal.

[brewcrewdue80]

7 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

This is true if Peralta finishes next year top 5 in the Cy Young again and we get no improvement from any of our 32 big league arms under the age of 26.

Or...

A full season of Patrick, Miz, Henderson, Ashby, Gasser, etc all combine to replace him in the aggregate and we no longer have to give OF at bats to Daz Cameron and Drew Avans, etc and POSSIBLY upgraded Ortiz so our short term is stabilized while our long term is healthier.

Both things could be true. Is it really more fun living with the first mindset when you don't know which one is going to be true?

You are giving Brandon Woodruff no credit to return as Ace on the staff.

[Frisbee Slider]

7 hours ago, Turning2 said:

They need proven MLB HITTERs

Like David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez? 🤷‍♂️

I understand we would love a brand name slugger. I don’t think one year rental of Peralta gets us there, though.

[brewcrewdue80]

Off a wi sports FB page taken from a Mets site.  Hope these turn out.

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I have to admit I don't think the haters are crazy. It's not fair to the guy, but I just envision Jett hitting .196 on June 8 with 2 homers and "struggling to adjust."

[OldHeidelberg]

Count me as one who thinks giving up Myers is a little underrated here. He has had proven MLB success, it would not be shocking if Mets get more WAR out of him than we get out of Sproat. But they weren't giving up 12 years of control for one so I can see why we had to include him. 

That said, if we had to trade Freddy this seems like a very nice return. Williams sounds like a fantastic prospect who is on the rise. I would say that is the difference from the Burnes trade, Hall and Ortiz had already lost some prospect luster where these 2 seem to be rising. 

 

[Frisbee Slider]

3 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

Count me as one who thinks giving up Myers is a little underrated here. He has had proven MLB success,

So did Adrian Houser, before cratering in New York in 2024. To his credit, Houser found himself in 2025 and turned his performance into a ‘legitimate fifth starter’ option for San Francisco on $22 M deal, two years.

I can only dream of one day being considered ‘a legitimate fifth starter option’ 🙂

[OldHeidelberg]

6 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

So did Adrian Houser, before cratering in New York in 2024. To his credit, Houser found himself in 2025 and turned his performance into a ‘legitimate fifth starter’ option for San Francisco on $22 M deal, two years.

I can only dream of one day being considered ‘a legitimate fifth starter option’ 🙂

I didn't like giving up Houser either, similar to Myers he was a useful MLB pitcher. But he was awful for the Mets that year and we still have Crow. He was also a lot more expensive than Myers.

[Turning2]

7 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

Which ones were offered to us for Freddy that we turned down for Williams, et?

Not my job to scour rosters to find a match. But as noted previously, Boston has a surplus of OF with decent bats. Plus they were looking for pitching. But MIL appears to have fiddle F'd around too long and Boston found other options. Maybe that wasn't ever a possibility, we don't know.  Regardless, out of all the teams that expressed interest in Peralta, including the ones that we didn't hear about, there had to be somebody they could have worked out. 

[Frisbee Slider]

2 minutes ago, OldHeidelberg said:

I didn't like giving up Houser either, similar to Myers he was a useful MLB pitcher. But he was awful for the Mets that year and we still have Crow. He was also a lot more expensive than Myers.

At a minimum, Milwaukee is unable to pay premium salaries for "proven mediocrity" when we have plenty of less proven options available that provide equal or better outcomes with upside.

[Turning2]

7 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Why would an MLB team trade a proven high quality MLB bat for 1 year of Freddy Peralta and prospects? The whole concept of a team trading for 1 year of a SP is that they are trying to win in that one season. That makes it counter-intuitive to trade a proven high quality hitter from your roster. It's just not logical.

Why not pursue Abreu or Duran or guys of that red chip level? That doesn't seem like an absolute unrealistic scenario. Sometimes the stars align and a guy of that caliber can be acquired for all kinds of reasons. 

[Turning2]

43 minutes ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Like David Ortiz or Manny Ramirez? 🤷‍♂️

I understand we would love a brand name slugger. I don’t think one year rental of Peralta gets us there, though.

That is not the level of hitter I'm talking about

[igor67]

Thinking about Jett as more of a super sub type that ends up getting starter ABs certainly seems to look good are a righty complementing Frelick, Turang, Mitchell, and then as a rare SS option. That said it would be nice if at least 1 of the 2 stepped up to really contribute this year.

[wiguy94]

Kind of crazy that a waiver claim of Marco Estrada in 2010 has turned into 24.2 fWAR, Brandon Sproat, and Jett Williams. 

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Turning2 said:

Why not pursue Abreu or Duran or guys of that red chip level? That doesn't seem like an absolute unrealistic scenario. Sometimes the stars align and a guy of that caliber can be acquired for all kinds of reasons. 

That's absolutely an unrealistic scenario. You're not going to get 3 years of Duran or 4 years of Abreu for 1 year of Freddy Peralta.

[SeaBass]

It hurts to lose Freddy but it would have hurt to lose him after next season too, it's just a year early. They had Freddy last year and still got swept in the NLCS.

I'm happy with this trade. The big fear I had if they had kept him was imagining him getting injured and losing out on the big return in trade. This is a safe move that protects the team and ideally that makes them better going forward.

[brewcrewdue80]

OK last one for awhile.  

Love that Sproat is 6-3.  I think 6-3&6-4 are the best overall SP heights where taller seems to begin having more control problems repeating deliveries.

Giving up Myers, the Brewers should have gotten some lotto player.  If the Mets dont extend Peralta,  QO will mean this was a 3 for 2 trade.  A ptbnl or cash would have been better.

I look forward to Ortiz' response in the BSML come spring training or not.  Murphy doesn't have to put up with his bat this season.

Last positive is Williams sounds able to play CF as a plus defender there. Flexibility against a Mitchell or Perkins injury.

[liveforoctober]

26 minutes ago, Turning2 said:

Not my job to scour rosters to find a match. But as noted previously, Boston has a surplus of OF with decent bats. Plus they were looking for pitching. But MIL appears to have fiddle F'd around too long and Boston found other options. Maybe that wasn't ever a possibility, we don't know.  Regardless, out of all the teams that expressed interest in Peralta, including the ones that we didn't hear about, there had to be somebody they could have worked out. 

Just seems a fool's errand to get upset over a hypothetical. If the Red Sox confirm they offered us "X proven bat player" for Peralta and we turned it down ... Now you have substance to stew over.

I'll take back my stance if someone is just wishing we could have gotten a MLB proven bat.. but if someone is upset with WHO we got back position wise, without evidence of alternatives it is wasted energy IMO.

[adambr2]

9 hours ago, markedman5 said:

I will be surprised if Jett isn’t in the bigs opening day or at the very least early in the season……

They’ll play the service time game with him for a couple weeks. Then he’ll be up. IMO.

[wiguy94]

Just now, adambr2 said:

They’ll play the service time game with him for a couple weeks. Then he’ll be up. IMO.

I'll be honest I think you both are off. Williams is only 22 and wasn't great in AAA last year. He needs to work on some things in AAA before he's MLB ready. 

[CheezWizHed]

MLB pipeline slots Williams and Sproat in at #3 and #6.

So if you were to invert the trade... Would you send Logan Henderson and Cooper Pratt to NYY for Peralta and Myers? 

I was a big Myers fan, but it was pretty obvious last year that the Brewers weren't as high on him.  And the lower end of the SP option list is pretty crowded with similar arms.  Still sending him out... would've been nice to get a draft pick comp back (for Peralta's QO draft comp).  

I guess this ends up being similar to the Burnes trade overall.

As far as trying to get Duran or such with the "stars align"... people realize that the stars don't align that often right?  I'd guess that that Brewers GM spoke to many teams before finalizing this one.  Silly to think he didn't try. 

 

[Matt]

1 minute ago, CheezWizHed said:

So if you were to invert the trade... Would you send Logan Henderson and Cooper Pratt to NYY for Peralta and Myers? 

I would have been extremely pissed.