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Two top 100 prospects who land #3 and #6 in our stacked, likely #1 farm system for 1 year of Peralta and a starter in Myers, who while useful, probably ranked no higher than the 9th man in the Brewers pecking order?

Yes please!

No idea how anyone could have expected more. Sproat has better Stuff+ than Peralta already before the Brewers get their hands on him. And Williams is a souped up Durbin with more pop and more speed who with a tweak here or there with the bat could be an all-star. He's got a good eye and good plate discipline so there's plenty of hope that he can cut down on the strikeouts. BTW, the Brewers probably draft Jett themselves in round 1 if he makes it that far in 2022. They liked him then and clearly nothing in 3+ years of developmental pro ball has diminished their view of him

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Another thing I liked reading Arnold’s comments…….he said he stayed in touch with Freddy throughout the process to let him know what was going on as things progressed this offseason……..didn’t want anything to come as a surprise out of the blue.

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6 hours ago, DR28 said:

Agreed, I hope we at least asked for a Baty/Sproat package.

I'd much rather have Williams over Baty personally.   Like not even close 

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3 hours ago, tmwiese55 said:

Who knows how it all shakes out with Jett at SS or OF in the 26 season.  I guess first thing lets hope he's good enough to make MLB this year.   A lot after that will be dictated by injury and performance of the returning guys on where he plays. But we know injuries will happen and rest days are needed. So at the very least as a floor it should massively reduce the ABs of the Dunn/Siegler/Lockridge/Camerons.  Which of course helps the team if he at least somewhat lives up to his prospect status.  

Don't think I've seen info on how his CF/OF D is?  Basically, assuming Mitchell gets hurt will they consider him good enough at D to play him or is he an automatic no go for the Brewers standards? Especially with Perkins gold glove sitting there

Page 5 I posted some metspage info I took off a WI Sports FB post. The Mets believe he is a plus defender for both SS&CF.

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1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Page 5 I posted some metspage info I took off a WI Sports FB post. The Mets believe he is a plus defender for both SS&CF.

Plus as a SS would lead me to believe he'd be plus as a 2B as well. 

The prospect talent along with the versatility just makes it so much fun to follow this organization.

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Fangraphs did the Brewers side if the trade. 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/brewing-with-gas-evaluating-jett-williams-and-brandon-sproat/

 

My long term Brewers brain broke with this quote:

"Given Milwaukee’s lengthy track record of developing starting pitchers, he’s in a great place to find out."

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36 minutes ago, Baldkin said:

Fangraphs did the Brewers side if the trade. 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/brewing-with-gas-evaluating-jett-williams-and-brandon-sproat/

 

My long term Brewers brain broke with this quote:

"Given Milwaukee’s lengthy track record of developing starting pitchers, he’s in a great place to find out."

They’re not so hot for Williams: markers suggesting a below average hit tool and utility role

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Will be interesting to track Gore's prospects haul vs our two prospects.   

 

Rightly or wrongly, in my mind, they will be tied together and tracked for a long time.

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Will be interesting to see how the Mets use him, and if they can get past 5 inning Freddy.  That 3rd time through the order never seemed to materialize with him 

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On 1/22/2026 at 5:58 AM, Jopal78 said:

First it’s the minor leagues, and most of his experience is in the lower levels, it’s not even close to the level of pitching he’d see in Milwaukee. 
 

More importantly smaller humans don’t have the same extension and mass as taller players do, and the pitch plane mismatch is more significant. Thus, the margin for error is that much smaller and he’ll need near perfect mechanics. 
 

Can a small player hit for power in the major leagues, sure. Is it likely, no. 
 

They were always going to trade Peralta, I just would've preferred someone who’s ready to play now at a position of need. 

They got that, no? Jett and Sprout both are MLB ready players. Jett should primarily play SS and CF. Assuming Chourio is going to play more in the corners going forward, SS and CF are probably our two biggest areas of need for improvement in the lineup.

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Woodruff, Miz, Priester, and Patrick all look like locks or near locks for the rotation to me.

So that’s maybe one open spot for one of Henderson, Sprout, and Gasser. Maybe they look for a Quintana veteran type for camp, but I don’t think they have a depth problem. 

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Didn't really want to lose Peralta but Williams is intriguing and do like this return better than Burnes even knowing Myers had to go the other way. Can't see Williams making the opening day roster and risk losing him after his age 27 season, see what he can do in AAA.

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9 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

They’re not so hot for Williams: markers suggesting a below average hit tool and utility role

The Brewers and FanGraphs both view Jett's up the middle positional versatility as a positive attribute, "utility role" isn't demeaning in the modern context. If FanGraphs thought he was a utility guy like Ed Romero he wouldn't have been #69 on their most recent Top 100.

Obviously the mold maker for the analytics set was 09-18 Ben Zobrist at 6130 PA of 121 wRC+ with +16.0 BSR and +44.0 DEF for 43.2 WAR while playing mostly 2B with some RF, LF, and SS thrown in.

My favorite from when I was a kid example would be 84-97 Tony Phillips who racked up 7761 PA of 115 wRC+ with -14.1 BSR and +41.1 DEF for 43.1 WAR playing all over the diamond.

Not sure it's responsible to project any non-Chourio/Made kind of prospect for anything approaching 40 WAR, but contemporary guys who have produced value in multi positional roles would look like...

18-25 Jeff McNeil (3,621 PA)
117 wRC+ | -3.9 BSR | +15.1 DEF | 21.1 WAR

17-23 Chris Taylor (3,220 PA)
111 wRC+ | +18.0 BSR | +2.7 DEF | 17.5 WAR

19-25 Tommy Edman (2,955 PA)
97 wRC+ | +24.0 DEF | +57.3 DEF | 17.3 WAR

20-25 Jake Cronenworth (3,212 PA)
109 wRC+ | +4.9 BSR | -2.6 DEF | 15.0 WAR

21-25 Jazz Chisholm Jr. (2,283 PA)
112 wRC+ | +21.3 BSR | +14.3 DEF | 14.7 WAR

22-25 Brendan Donovan (2,006 PA)
119 wRC+ | -5.0 BSR | -10.6 DEF | 10.1 WAR

24-25 Ernie Clement (1,040 PA)
96 wRC+ | +1.7 BSR | +19.9 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Zach McKinstry (1,354 PA)
92 wRC+ | +10.5 BSR | +8.6 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Mauricio Dubon (1,318 PA)
88 wRC+ | -0.7 BSR | +24.4 DEF | 5.1 WAR

24-25 Josh Smith (1,115 PA)
107 wRC+ | +1.3 BSR | -3.4 DEF | 4.7 WAR

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1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers and FanGraphs both view Jett's up the middle positional versatility as a positive attribute, "utility role" isn't demeaning in the modern context. If FanGraphs thought he was a utility guy like Ed Romero he wouldn't have been #69 on their most recent Top 100.

Obviously the mold maker for the analytics set was 09-18 Ben Zobrist at 6130 PA of 121 wRC+ with +16.0 BSR and +44.0 DEF for 43.2 WAR while playing mostly 2B with some RF, LF, and SS thrown in.

My favorite from when I was a kid example would be 84-97 Tony Phillips who racked up 7761 PA of 115 wRC+ with -14.1 BSR and +41.1 DEF for 43.1 WAR playing all over the diamond.

Not sure it's responsible to project any non-Chourio/Made kind of prospect for anything approaching 40 WAR, but contemporary guys who have produced value in multi positional roles would look like...

18-25 Jeff McNeil (3,621 PA)
117 wRC+ | -3.9 BSR | +15.1 DEF | 21.1 WAR

17-23 Chris Taylor (3,220 PA)
111 wRC+ | +18.0 BSR | +2.7 DEF | 17.5 WAR

19-25 Tommy Edman (2,955 PA)
97 wRC+ | +24.0 DEF | +57.3 DEF | 17.3 WAR

20-25 Jake Cronenworth (3,212 PA)
109 wRC+ | +4.9 BSR | -2.6 DEF | 15.0 WAR

21-25 Jazz Chisholm Jr. (2,283 PA)
112 wRC+ | +21.3 BSR | +14.3 DEF | 14.7 WAR

22-25 Brendan Donovan (2,006 PA)
119 wRC+ | -5.0 BSR | -10.6 DEF | 10.1 WAR

24-25 Ernie Clement (1,040 PA)
96 wRC+ | +1.7 BSR | +19.9 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Zach McKinstry (1,354 PA)
92 wRC+ | +10.5 BSR | +8.6 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Mauricio Dubon (1,318 PA)
88 wRC+ | -0.7 BSR | +24.4 DEF | 5.1 WAR

24-25 Josh Smith (1,115 PA)
107 wRC+ | +1.3 BSR | -3.4 DEF | 4.7 WAR

Great post! I think it's become a bit too common to refer to bench players who can play multiple positions as utility players. A true utility player is someone who can play multiple positions and still rack up close to a full season's worth of PA not someone like Andruw Monasterio who is just a positionally versatile bench player.

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It didn’t last for the long haul, but 2005 and 2006 Bill Hall was the gold standard for “utility player”.

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2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers and FanGraphs both view Jett's up the middle positional versatility as a positive attribute, "utility role" isn't demeaning in the modern context. If FanGraphs thought he was a utility guy like Ed Romero he wouldn't have been #69 on their most recent Top 100.

Obviously the mold maker for the analytics set was 09-18 Ben Zobrist at 6130 PA of 121 wRC+ with +16.0 BSR and +44.0 DEF for 43.2 WAR while playing mostly 2B with some RF, LF, and SS thrown in.

My favorite from when I was a kid example would be 84-97 Tony Phillips who racked up 7761 PA of 115 wRC+ with -14.1 BSR and +41.1 DEF for 43.1 WAR playing all over the diamond.

Not sure it's responsible to project any non-Chourio/Made kind of prospect for anything approaching 40 WAR, but contemporary guys who have produced value in multi positional roles would look like...

18-25 Jeff McNeil (3,621 PA)
117 wRC+ | -3.9 BSR | +15.1 DEF | 21.1 WAR

17-23 Chris Taylor (3,220 PA)
111 wRC+ | +18.0 BSR | +2.7 DEF | 17.5 WAR

19-25 Tommy Edman (2,955 PA)
97 wRC+ | +24.0 DEF | +57.3 DEF | 17.3 WAR

20-25 Jake Cronenworth (3,212 PA)
109 wRC+ | +4.9 BSR | -2.6 DEF | 15.0 WAR

21-25 Jazz Chisholm Jr. (2,283 PA)
112 wRC+ | +21.3 BSR | +14.3 DEF | 14.7 WAR

22-25 Brendan Donovan (2,006 PA)
119 wRC+ | -5.0 BSR | -10.6 DEF | 10.1 WAR

24-25 Ernie Clement (1,040 PA)
96 wRC+ | +1.7 BSR | +19.9 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Zach McKinstry (1,354 PA)
92 wRC+ | +10.5 BSR | +8.6 DEF | 5.3 WAR

23-25 Mauricio Dubon (1,318 PA)
88 wRC+ | -0.7 BSR | +24.4 DEF | 5.1 WAR

24-25 Josh Smith (1,115 PA)
107 wRC+ | +1.3 BSR | -3.4 DEF | 4.7 WAR

I'll also add to this. A fangraphs 50 FV position player is a player they project to be an average everyday player who accumulates roughly 10-15 fWAR during their 6 years of team control. That's like a Cronenworth type of player on the high end and a Dubon type player on the low end.

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2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

Woodruff, Miz, Priester, and Patrick all look like locks or near locks for the rotation to me.

So that’s maybe one open spot for one of Henderson, Sprout, and Gasser. Maybe they look for a Quintana veteran type for camp, but I don’t think they have a depth problem. 

I just have two thoughts on this. I'm partially agreeing with you...

1) It has been mentioned multiple times by others and it would not surprise me if the Brewers move fully into a super piggybacked rotation. It worked so well with Priester last year and every one of our current starters has a hint of a reason to be 'protected' (injury past, moderate workload limits, etc). So if Arnold announced he wanted a pool of 8-10 guys on the MLB roster who can start games and go multiple innings it wouldn't shock me at all. Trading assets to get a 4th lefty in the pen (Hall, Ashby, Zerpa, Koenig) probably isn't a coincidence either. We have great piggyback pen options right now.

2) Last year I wasn't overly concerned with pitching depth to start the year with Freddy, Cortes, Civale, Quintana, etc ... and we had to call up Elvin Rodriguez to spot start our 4th game of the season. Tyler Alexander started our 8th game of the year. We had to trade considerable assets for Quinn Priester (thankful we did!) by the 2nd week of April in part because we needed a starter. All that to say the season comes at you fast. The more starters the merrier. We have so many young guys, another vet voice in their ear all season long might be a great thing. Heck, sign Quintana and put him on the 60day DL immediately just so he can be in the dugout with us. Activate him if you need him.

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3 hours ago, adambr2 said:

They got that, no? Jett and Sprout both are MLB ready players. Jett should primarily play SS and CF. Assuming Chourio is going to play more in the corners going forward, SS and CF are probably our two biggest areas of need for improvement in the lineup.

I wouldn't assume that with CF. Chourio likely remains a better option in CF than Jett Williams as Williams is projected as a 50-55 fielder in CF at best. Chourio is a 60 with plus to plus plus range, even if a bit raw as he demonstrated at times last year. 

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I feel like people are underselling Hall here.  I completely understand it, but I think he's a wildcard.  Maybe not as a starter yet, but as a 3 inning guy.  If they can get him to command he's a very intriguing guy.  May be a long shot, but intriguing nonetheless.

 

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4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

They got that, no? Jett and Sprout both are MLB ready players. Jett should primarily play SS and CF. Assuming Chourio is going to play more in the corners going forward, SS and CF are probably our two biggest areas of need for improvement in the lineup.

Sproat maybe as a 5th starter.  Most of the linked publications in this thread mention he struggles with command. I’d imagine he’ll compete with Gasser, Henderson, Carlos Rodriguez, DL Hall etc. but with the most options remaining will likely windup in AAA to start ‘26.

Have yet to see any pundit or writer linked in this thread say Williams is MLB ready now. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Sproat maybe as a 5th starter.  Most of the linked publications in this thread mention he struggles with command. I’d imagine he’ll compete with Gasser, Henderson, Carlos Rodriguez, DL Hall and likely windup in AAA to start ‘26.

Have yet to see any pundit or writer linked in this thread say Williams is MLB ready now. 

Arnold said in his presser that both would be competing for Opening Day roster spots, now of course there is almost certainly an element of lip service there, but they are both in a position to potentially impact the MLB club at some point in 2026.

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4 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Arnold said in his presser that both would be competing for Opening Day roster spots, now of course there is almost certainly an element of lip service there, but they are both in a position to potentially impact the MLB club at some point in 2026.

Keyword “potentially”. It’s fine, they got 2 players they really like for their best trade chip They’re not going to say anything other than how excited they are. I think objectively it makes the 2026 team less talented, while it potentially makes the 2027 and beyond teams better.

I had hoped they’d get someone for Peralta that was plug and play at a position of need, but the front office seems to know what they’re doing so they get the benefit of the doubt. 

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9 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Keyword “potentially”. It’s fine, they got 2 players they really like for their best trade chip They’re not going to say anything other than how excited they are. I think objectively it makes the 2026 team less talented, while it potentially makes the 2027 and beyond teams better.

I had hoped they’d get someone for Peralta that was plug and play at a position of need, but the front office seems to know what they’re doing so they get the benefit of the doubt. 

What was the position of need you were hoping for and who was the player you were targeting that is obviously better than the guy we currently have in place & therefore worthy of losing Peralta?

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I think both start in Nashville. If Ortiz is bating .210 on May 1st, there will be discussions on Williams. I think the brewers go in with a rotation of Woodruff, Priester, Miz, Henderson, and Patrick. Let the brewers work on his control issues and he can be ready when needed.

I'm sure fans will want to see these players up right away, but I think this is the smartest.

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