Article: 2023 MLB Draft Day 1 Thread

[beekay414]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Short athletic righty with a big curveball, sounds kinda like high school Sonny Gray.

Think more McCullers than Gray.

[ecjimg]

Projects as a premium reliever?  Not happy.  I want a starter at this high of a pick.

[beekay414]

Just now, ecjimg said:

Projects as a premium reliever?  Not happy.  I want a starter at this high of a pick.

He'll get every opportunity to start. Think Lance McCullers.

[Austin Tatious]

Interesting.  I hadn’t seen that he can touch 98.  Looks like he gets great movement.  I like a high upside pitcher.  We need that.  

[jay87shot]

Knoth is a nice get, especially if he signs below slot. Ranked in the 90's by mlb.com means we could get a super intriguing arm and possibly save some $ for a later pick. 

[LouisEly]

1 minute ago, ecjimg said:

Projects as a premium reliever?  Not happy.  I want a starter at this high of a pick.

Devin Williams wasn't converted to a reliever until his seventh year in the organization.

He's 17.  Plenty of time to develop.

[brewcrewdue80]

7 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

FanGraphs scouting report…

Knoth has a lightning-fast arm that was only producing low-90s velocity throughout his showcase summer, but his drop-and-drive style delivery was incredibly athletic, his fastball was seasoned by riding life, and he was snapping off the best curveball in the class. Knoth's breaking ball is the Grim Reaper, an absolute yakker in the 78-80 mph range with huge downward break. He experienced a velocity boost in the spring of 2023 and moved from the early second round of the FanGraphs draft board into the first. Knoth doesn't have prototypical starter's size but he's a superlative on-mound athlete with mechanics that are as repeatable as they are electric. You can go nuts projecting on his changeup and a second breaking ball because of his arm speed and proclivity for spin. This is also a cold weather prospect who will still be 17 on draft day. Knoth's mix already looks like that of a premium reliever and he may just be scratching the surface of his ability.

Well that's nice read that the delivery is super repeatable. 190 is a little light for your preferred workload SP. He'll obviously have time to mature and build up a couple ticks of velocity with a bigger frame. He'll carve up Rok-A+ ball with that Curveball offering.

[jay87shot]

24 minutes ago, wallus said:

Other than 2nd round picks in the NBA, where does this happen in any other major league?

Teams can buy players in the mlb. We bought Owen Miller for cash considerations. Also a teams in all leagues can take money in the way of bad contracts. Say in 3 or 4 years a guy like Bryan Reynolds stinks and the Pirates have the 1st pick. The Pirates could trade Reynolds and #1 to a rich team to take his contract. That would widen the gap between small and big market teams even more.

[wallus]

2 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Teams can buy players in the mlb. We bought Owen Miller for cash considerations. Also a teams in all leagues can take money in the way of bad contracts. Say in 3 or 4 years a guy like Bryan Reynolds stinks and the Pirates have the 1st pick. The Pirates could trade Reynolds and #1 to a rich team to take his contract. That would widen the gap between small and big market teams even more.

MLB teams kick in money for players in trades all of the time. 

[JefferyLeonard]

I mean even in the NBA you can't really trade picks per say. One team has to take the player the other team wants at that spot and then trade that way. It's dumb, why not just allow the trade of the pick instead? MLB should allow trades. I'm talking straight trades. Or any kind of trade. Say the Brewers trade #18 and #33, for #5 or something. Or they trade a pick(s) plus players for a pick(s). The year is 2023. .Come on MLB.

[LouisEly]

Cincinnati grabbing Lowder and Floyd.  I think they see their window starting right now.

[homer]

11 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Cincinnati grabbing Lowder and Floyd.  I think they see their window starting right now.

yup. that offense might be scary good for the next 4 years. need some arms. 

[duewizard]

I like Whitman if available

[LouisEly]

4 minutes ago, duewizard said:

I like Whitman if available

I'm shocked he's still available.  He went to the Cape and in his first start went 5 IP, 2 H, 0 BB, 9 K.

[LouisEly]

Paul Wilson, HS LHP and son of former MLB pitcher Trevor Wilson, is still out there.  Wouldn't mind him.

[CheeseheadInQC]

Along with Whitman, a few prep pitchers and corner infielders there too

[LouisEly]

There's your double-dip at 3B, though there is question if Boeve can stick there.

Curious as to why Whitman is dropping.

[Never Outhustled]

Boeve is similar to Tyler Black. Black is a better athlete, but Boeve better bat to ball.

[beekay414]

Not a fan. Low level of competition with no real standout tool and a low impact swing. Just don't see it with this kid to take him in the 2nd round. 

EDIT - Actually, I should give the kid more of a chance with the success we've had with a similarly profiled player in Black. 

[narwhalattack]

Boeve seems to fit the incredibly average/milquetoast player we pick high every year for some reason

[homer]

kind of funny how different the scouting reports get as you move through the draft  The MLB blurb on Boeve says he hits a lot of weak grounders. But I've seen two other ones that say he sprays line drives all over the field. 

[homer]

for the pronunciation curious...

 

 

[beekay414]

3 minutes ago, homer said:

kind of funny how different the scouting reports get as you move through the draft  The MLB blurb on Boeve says he hits a lot of weak grounders. But I've seen two other ones that say he sprays line drives all over the field. 

Depends who they saw him against. If they saw him play high level competition, they may have seen a lot of weak contact but he's able to spray against lesser arms. I don't imagine a lot of people watched a ton of UNO games. 

I think his swing profile is a low impact one but I haven't watched a ton of him. We've had some success with my man Tyler Black so I guess I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Boeve since they both have similar compact swing paths and hand speed. 

[splitterpfj]

The Brewers have “broken the mold” this year, moving away from the “up the middle guys.”

I get it, they’re filling an organizational need, and I don’t mind that approach, but the Boeve pick definitely surprised me.

[Never Outhustled]

1 minute ago, beekay414 said:

Depends who they saw him against. If they saw him play high level competition, they may have seen a lot of weak contact but he's able to spray against lesser arms. I don't imagine a lot of people watched a ton of UNO games. 

I think his swing profile is a low impact one but I haven't watched a ton of him. We've had some success with my man Tyler Black so I guess I shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Boeve since they both have similar compact swing paths and hand speed. 

They're also similar because of their competition. Boeve from the Summit League and Black from the Horizon League.