Cubs acquire Candelario

[owbc]

I'm sure this will go over well...

[Brewcrew82]

This puts me on the side of we need one more bat. 

[wibadgers23]

Apparently for the Cubs 19th and 22nd ranked prospects. Ouch.

[IntentionalHBP1]

I can only hope there is something better in store if we couldn’t match that.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

MLB.com has them as the Cubs #14 and #16 prospects. No matter what way you slice it, the price was considerably steeper than what the Brewers paid for Canha (Jarvis #30). 

 

https://www.mlb.com/prospects/cubs

[HarveysWBs]

So, what if Arnold now goes to the White Sox and says, "Look, the Cubs are trying to go for it--you don't want to see them in the playoffs again while you have a down year, right?  Let's do this Eloy trade at our price and in exchange, you can have the satisfaction of the keeping the Cubs down a while longer.  Shall we sign?"

Who says no?

[adambr2]

I fully expected the compensation to leave us saying, "we didn't beat THAT?"

[CheeseheadInQC]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I fully expected the compensation to leave us saying, "we didn't beat THAT?"

No one is paying for rental hitters, even with the scarcity. This Cubs package seems by far the best, and even then it might come with a bit of an asterisk given both guys are Rule 5 eligible.

[JohnBriggs12]

Candelario has 8 hits in two games.  Yes he wasn't cheap, but he was worth more than Canha and Santana combined.  Forget the fact that Candelario was available at a very reasonable cost on the FA market last winter which was the the bigger lost opportunity, but the Brewers needed a big bat in their lineup, not a couple of guys who don't move the needle.  Heck a healthy Tellez and Taylor have bigger upside in the short term than two guys in the mid 30's who aren't likely to go on significant hot streaks in the dog days of the season.   Arnold is going to continue to lose the trade deadline until he gets bolder.  Jake Burger was available too.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

Candelario has 8 hits in two games.  Yes he wasn't cheap, but he was worth more than Canha and Santana combined.  Forget the fact that Candelario was available at a very reasonable cost on the FA market last winter which was the the bigger lost opportunity, but the Brewers needed a big bat in their lineup, not a couple of guys who don't move the needle.  Heck a healthy Tellez and Taylor have bigger upside in the short term than two guys in the mid 30's who aren't likely to go on significant hot streaks in the dog days of the season. 

You are basing his value on two games? Really? Otherwise, what is it about Candelario that screams "needle mover"? That career .742 OPS? The .272 OBP he put up as a regular in Detroit last year?

He's having a solid year ... but looking at his career numbers, it's an aberration. I fully expect him to come back down to earth in short order.

[homer]

If Candelaria averages 4 hits a game the rest of the year I will regret not trading for him.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

11 minutes ago, JohnBriggs12 said:

 Forget the fact that Candelario was available at a very reasonable cost on the FA market last winter which was the the bigger lost opportunity, but the Brewers needed a big bat in their lineup, not a couple of guys who don't move the needle.  

Had the Brewers signed a 3B coming off a season where he put up a .633 OPS, and penciled him is as the starting 3B, this forum would have had a hissy fit. 

[Outlander]

5 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Had the Brewers signed a 3B coming off a season where he put up a .633 OPS, and penciled him is as the starting 3B, this forum would have had a hissy fit. 

They basically did.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

7 minutes ago, Outlander said:

They basically did.

I think they convinced themselves that Anderson's poor 2022 was due to injury. Candelario didn't have that factor in his favor.

[Outlander]

I don't mind what the Brewers did with Anderson in the off season but don't know why we have to minimize this acquisition by the Cubs. They obtained the best player that was traded at the deadline, he is a plus on offense and defense this season and it is wishful thinking that he will turn into a pumpkin these final 50 games. The Cubs acquired a difference maker and the Brewers got some average guys that make them incrementally better. Maybe that is the way to go and proper use of prospect capital but as a fan right now it is frustrating.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

20 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I don't mind what the Brewers did with Anderson in the off season but don't know why we have to minimize this acquisition by the Cubs. They obtained the best player that was traded at the deadline, he is a plus on offense and defense this season and it is wishful thinking that he will turn into a pumpkin these final 50 games. The Cubs acquired a difference maker and the Brewers got some average guys that make them incrementally better. Maybe that is the way to go and proper use of prospect capital but as a fan right now it is frustrating.

It isn't minimizing. It's simply looking at the sum of Candelario's career and using deductive reasoning. Perhaps he'll continue to perform as a .800+ OPS bat for the remaining two months of the season, but his career numbers basically scream otherwise. The guy has been just north of replacement-level both offensively and defensively his whole career. Those guys typically don't turn into Scott Rolen at age 29.  

[homer]

Remains to be seen. I would have liked that trade for the Brewers depending on what they gave up. I actually suggested it in the trade/rumors threads. But he was only the best position player traded because it was a weak trade market for hitters. He had an 823 OPS - nice player, would have improved the Brewers lineup but let's not make him out to be something more than he is. And had the Brewers traded for him, I guarantee people would have wanted additional moves. He wasn't the missing piece.

[Fear The Chorizo]

4-D chess...letting the Cubs land Candelario helped them keep the Reds at bay while the Brewers scuffled through the end of this bad road trip in Washington.

 

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think they convinced themselves that Anderson's poor 2022 was due to injury. Candelario didn't have that factor in his favor.

Maybe, but it overlooks the fact Candelario had more recent success in the majors than Brian Anderson.

Most likely they went with whatever player was cheaper. They got Anderson for about 66% of what Candelario got. 

[mtsportsfan]

Poo poo it all you want and I know its only 2 games , but he has  8 hits  in 9 abs  , while our new guys have two hits combined and Santana committed a costly error . things might change and hope they do , but that's a nice start and addition to a team that already hits the crap out of the ball . its a nice way to keep their momentum going while our offense is again stagnant ! Didn't seem like the scrubs gave up to much for him!

[Jake McKibbin]

9 hours ago, mtsportsfan said:

Poo poo it all you want and I know its only 2 games , but he has  8 hits  in 9 abs  , while our new guys have two hits combined and Santana committed a costly error . things might change and hope they do , but that's a nice start and addition to a team that already hits the crap out of the ball . its a nice way to keep their momentum going while our offense is again stagnant ! Didn't seem like the scrubs gave up to much for him!

They sort of did... it's an interesting one, but they gave up a AA pitcher with high strikeouts, high walks, but the potential to be either a big reliever or a TOR starter IF (and that's key) he puts it together. And a defense first SS that's unlikely to go too far, but is solid enough

The Brewers may have had to part with a high ceiling pitching prospect, and even then short of Misiorowski I'm not sure if Henderson is developed enough for them to use him as a headliner

[sveumrules]

Candelario has been placed on the IL with a back issue.

After going eight for his first nine with the Cubs he hit 183/278/385 (79 wRC+) over his subsequent 126 PAs.

[HarveysWBs]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Candelario has been placed on the IL with a back issue.

After going eight for his first nine with the Cubs he hit 183/278/385 (79 wRC+) over his subsequent 126 PAs.

I’m going to have to report this for not fitting the narrative.  Unacceptable commentary.

[markedman5]

5 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Candelario has been placed on the IL with a back issue.

After going eight for his first nine with the Cubs he hit 183/278/385 (79 wRC+) over his subsequent 126 PAs.

How does that compare to our none needle moving acquisition of Mark Canha?