Woodruff may be out for the playoffs

[SF70]

21 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No, but you also get them if one doctor says you're going to miss the entire postseason, whereas another says you could potentially make it back in time.

I'm not ruling out surgery as a possibility, but it's too early to start going down that road. 

Capsular tears require surgery. 9-18 months recovery depending on if it’s an arthroscopic procedure or open surgery.  He’s not pitching this postseason.

[Brian]

MLB said Woodruff is for sure out against Aroz and will re-diagnose after that series but it docent look good because he broke down in tears because "You wait you whole career for this moment." 

[Bulldogboy]

Brutal to hear this news. Very disappointed but the task at hand is guys with bats need to take the responsibility and make up the slack. No excuses at all. Just play good ball and they can win. Tougher but can be done.

[brooks_quichenick]

[Brewcrew82]

4 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Capsular tears require surgery. 9-18 months recovery depending on if it’s an arthroscopic procedure or open surgery.  He’s not pitching this postseason.

Yeah. Obviously he's very highly like to be missing the entire postseason regardless of the precise nature of the injury. 

At the same time, all it's been described as is a capsular injury. No word of a tear. It could be more inflammation, for all we know. 

[Patrick425]

Perhaps this belongs in the optimism thread but....Brewers had a worse pitching staff in 2018 and a .717 post season OPS and still made it to game 7 of the NLCS

[BruisedCrew]

20 minutes ago, Oxy said:

You know what he means. It should have been prefaced as "I shouldn't make assumptions" rather than "I'm not making assumptions" but whatever.

Maybe semantics, but I think there is a difference between an assumption of facts and a conclusion drawn from known facts.

i think anyone who saw the videos of both Counsell announcing Woodruff’s injury and Woodruff breaking down while expressing his feelings about not being able to be part of the team would conclude that he knows he is out for the postseason. If he thought there was any chance that he would be able to contribute I think he would be focusing on that. 

[adambr2]

Of course. We can never have nice things. 

[areacodes]

17 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

Maybe semantics, but I think there is a difference between an assumption of facts and a conclusion drawn from known facts.

i think anyone who saw the videos of both Counsell announcing Woodruff’s injury and Woodruff breaking down while expressing his feelings about not being able to be part of the team would conclude that he knows he is out for the postseason. If he thought there was any chance that he would be able to contribute I think he would be focusing on that. 

What facts are you using to draw your conclusion?

[willie key]

Maybe the pitching a complete game in the 12-0 shutout a couple of starts ago wasn’t the greatest idea 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

Alright. This sucks. A few thoughts, some more optimistic than others:

1) For his entire career, Woody has been one of the pitchers I've trusted most. He's just a horse. Cool, great personality, a franchise stalwart. Feel terrible for him. Yuck.

2) This obviously hurts our (already very small) chances of winning the WS. Boo.

3) It's also the baked-in risk of building a team around pitching. Pitchers get hurt. I'm not saying I'd rather the org take a different approach (I think the opposite, actually). But we've been pretty lucky on the injury front on the pitching side. Bad time for that to change.

4) I'm not sure this has an intense impact on our Wild Card odds. FanDuel moved from Dbacks +154 to Dbacks +124 and now has seemingly stabilized at +126, Beyond that, of course, it's hard to estimate the aggregated impact. For now, though, it really just means Peralta has to pitch Game 2, and Game 3 becomes a BP-heavy affair.

5) As another poster mentioned, this staff is still way better than 2018. Houser has a better FIP than Chacin did that year. Pitched fewer innings too, so might be fresher. Essentially, Houser/Miley/Rea are going to have to give you the 40 outs or so you would have got from Woodruff in the Wild Card and NLDS rounds, with some BP guys taking on a little added workload maybe too. I would have Rea on the roster because I think he's pitched pretty darn well lately (4ER in 20IP against decent competition).

6) Bottom line: this team needs magic to make a deep run. Baseball teams, even really good ones, always do. That 2011 Packers team had it. 2021 Bucks did too. Both had to deal with massive injury-related difficulties. We'll need more magic than we would have to get deep into October, but not that much more than we otherwise would have to get to an NLCS, especially considering Woody would only have gotten 2 starts in the first potentially 8 postseason games.

 

[Joseph Zarr]

I'm not even mad or surprised to be honest. Truly awful news, obviously. I more just feel terribly for Woodruff who is easily one of the easiest Brewers to root for. This is such a devastating blow at this point in his career. I truly feel for him as a player and a person. This is a scary injury given what he had already come back from in 2023. Hopefully the team can galvanize around the 'Us vs Them' mentality they will need. An Ace down. A manager with an unknown Future. Do it for each other and may we as fans relish in the improbable.

[BruisedCrew]

10 minutes ago, areacodes said:

What facts are you using to draw your conclusion?

As I said earlier the facts are the words used and demeanor shown by both Counsell and Woodruff in their comments to the press. I haven’t seen anyone who saw those say they simply expressing disappointment that Woodruff is going to miss a start or two. 
 

Have you seen them?

[Sixtolezcano]

3 hours ago, HarveysWBs said:

Sickening.  I feel terrible for him.

On the plus side…contract offer?

Are you kidding me. All we need is a lame pitcher on the injured list for another 4-5 months. Why don’t we just sign Teddy Higuera, he’s probably much cheaper.

[Sixtolezcano]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Houser is not making this roster after going 5 innings yesterday. 

Great! More good news.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, brooks_quichenick said:

We may win this Wild Card round still, but I wouldn't be surprised to see this team come out flat and get swept after this news. Absolutely devastating.

Being a Brewers fan is just this on a loop:

Other than obviously feeling bad for Woodruff--his time in front of the cameras really make you feel for the guy--this is related to my secondary reaction. This is a team that seems pretty close knit, genuinely cares for each other, goes out of its' way to welcome new additions, etc. The flip side of all that is you really need to guard against an emotional pity-party in light of this. Sounds heartless, but Brandon Woodruff has nothing to do with their chances tomorrow. That has to be the focus.

TBD for game 2. Holding Peralta back if they win Tuesday is my guess.

All around the baseball world they're pronounced dead. Different types respond to that in different ways. Win or lose, I know how I want to see them respond.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I wouldn't go that far yet. Surgery pretty far down the list of prescriptions. And if that is what is likely required, you would think they'd rule him out for the postseason entirely. Possible, but too early to go there.

Post-season wise, 3 aces is a real luxury. 2 aces is still a really good spot to be in. Especially when you have Miley as your backup option and the best bullpen in the majors to shorten games. The margins are tighter, but there's still a path forward. Offense was going to have to step up regardless. 

In hindsight, it's too bad they didn't give the ball to Matt Garza on Sunday. 

It IS good that Peguero is back, and the pen is rested. Esp if they advance, you may be looking at BP covering half the workload in not all, but a majority of their games. Hopefully Uribe is done playing "Where's Wally" with the strike zone.

[areacodes]

1 hour ago, BruisedCrew said:

As I said earlier the facts are the words used and demeanor shown by both Counsell and Woodruff in their comments to the press. I haven’t seen anyone who saw those say they simply expressing disappointment that Woodruff is going to miss a start or two. 
 

Have you seen them?

The facts are that the Brewers announced he had an injury and will miss the Wild Card round.  My assumption is that he’ll be out the rest of the playoffs and possibly longer if it requires surgery.

The rest of what you mentioned aren’t facts, it is your interpretation of words and demeanor and making an assumption.  It is okay that you were making an assumption like the rest of us about his status going forward.

[markedman5]

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[tmwiese55]

4 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Would need to be an insanely team friendly contract. Woodruff turns 31 this offseason and has now injured his pitching shoulder 2 times during one season.

Yea due to coming up at a later age so hitting FA at an older age this is why I thought he was the target to sign to an extension say 2-3 years ago to buy out 2-3 years of FA.  He was at risk of having the Jimmy Nelson situation happen and if this is a major shoulder injury that could be exactly what happens here.   Or he could've locked in life setting money a few years ago, but of course be forfeiting a possible say 200 mil payday if he made to FA healthy..   Of course we have no idea how any of those negotiations went so not like there is anyone to blame on either side.

But overall really tough news to see. Of course for him overall, but just that this team's hope of knocking of juggernauts like ATL/LA is lightning in a bottle with these two true ace pitchers.   Peralta of course has his Ace days too but also has those bad days that just end the game quickly. 

[mtsportsfan]

Heard Woodys presser ,

feel bad for the man . like someone said , he's a real easy guy to root for , just a class man ! 

Now the anger ! Un Fricking believable ! Being a small market we need certain degree of luck and bam we get this crap ! At times we we just can't catch a break !

Now the business side  .  How can you quantify a contract for him , unless this just inflammation and its a matter of weeks with no surgery. Which leads,  to if he  was to be traded in the off season the haul he would have brought us is greatly diminished .

[mtsportsfan]

Sorry for last post , pretty erratic post , just absolutely bummed for him , team and us ! Just not a good vibe going in to the playoffs !

[edfunderburk]

Today has been a long & difficult work day - I was away from social media & the internet until just now 

I simply cannot believe that we’ve lost Woodruff - not only for the playoffs but likely for much or all of next year too

He is my favorite current Brewer - our best starter & such a good team player 

Like so many on this forum, I’m heartbroken for Woody & for the Brewers + the fans 

I was hoping we might surprise in the playoffs & make a push for the World Series 

Not sure what to feel or think right now 

I am in disbelief - shocked - numb

[Lostpawn]

Just echoing other people’s sentiments here. Woody is the man. He is the clear ace on most clubs and probably the ace on this one. More importantly, it feels like the Brewers just look better when he’s around - even between his starts. I don’t have stats to show it, it just feels that way.  It seemed like the season turned around when he returned earlier this year. 
 

I’m bummed but not giving up hope. Get well soon Woody. 

[BruisedCrew]

2 hours ago, areacodes said:

The facts are that the Brewers announced he had an injury and will miss the Wild Card round.  My assumption is that he’ll be out the rest of the playoffs and possibly longer if it requires surgery.

The rest of what you mentioned aren’t facts, it is your interpretation of words and demeanor and making an assumption.  It is okay that you were making an assumption like the rest of us about his status going forward.

So, you basically agree with me but want to quibble.

When I heard Woodruff tearfully say that maybe this was a blessing because he could get his  issue taken care of, I thought it was obvious that he had gotten some pretty bad news from a doctor and the only question is how long he will be unable to pitch. And I also think it was obvious from his reaction that he knows his return to pitching isn’t going to be next week or next month.

If you want to call my conclusion an “assumption”, I really don’t care. But I don’t see how you can reach any other conclusion from it.