Farmhands Eligible for Rule 5 40-Man Roster Protection - UPDATE: Shane Smith to ChiSox with 1st Pick

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

Obviously he's been a little bit older, but looking at that same last two years minimum 150 IP across all levels leaderboard Shane Smith has some pretty impressive rankings too...

2.86 xFIP (2nd) | 24.3 K-BB% (3rd) | 32.4 K% (4th, tied with Misio) | 1.01 WHIP (5th) | 3.03 FIP (5th) | 2.63 ERA (7th) | .193 AVG (12th) | 77.6 LOB% (21st)

Agree, I would protect Smith, if I was another club I would pick up Smith. It might be hard to keep him on a big league roster all year. I would rather protect Smith and lose a guy like Herget, Zas, or Bauk if need be.

[BrewerFan]

On 10/14/2024 at 10:09 AM, CheezWizHed said:

I've not followed Logan Henderson much.  Why do people say he is a lock?  His results and innings are pretty low for a starter.  Youth is on his side, but I'm assuming there is more people are seeing?

Patrick looks like he would be ready this year to be SP depth that shuttles between AAA and the MLB.  

There has to be something about Patrick the organization just isn't as high on. We needed innings several times this past year and he never got the call despite just consistently pitching really well. I've seen people say he can tough 97...IDK if that was early and rare or what, but if they didn't call him up last year, seems strange they'd hold onto him this year, particularly if he may cost you a guy like Ernesto Martinez for example. Someone we've put 7 years into. 

 

Ashby seems like he's penciled in as a starter. Him, Woodruff, Hall, our top two prospects probably not being capable of throwing more than 140 innings...at most. I'm not sure either even got to 100IP this year, so another year of building and maybe throwing out of the pen. 

So for those reasons you'd think he'd be back, but they also seem to uncover a lot of these types of arms. 

[BrewerFan]

On 8/17/2024 at 12:42 PM, LouisEly said:

Russell Smith and Justin Yeager get no love around here.

I like Yeager and IIRC, he was the more...highly touted reliever at the time of the trade. 

But if he doesn't pan out, that trade is really going to end up looking bad for us!

[Jim Goulart]

Thanks to Adam for the mention within the Rule 5 section, he doesn’t have to do that but it’s appreciated. Our forum is “indispensible”.

 

[Ro Mueller]

Letting 7 respectable pitchers go (Rea, Wilson, Paredes, Zastryzny, Herget, White, Meeker) in a short time perhaps suggests that we’ll protect 5 players (Henderson, Smith, Patrick, Crow, EMJ), despite Ernesto already re-signing and minor league contract and Crow’s challenging AFL campaign. 

[SF70]

1 hour ago, Ro Mueller said:

Letting 7 respectable pitchers go (Rea, Wilson, Paredes, Zastryzny, Herget, White, Meeker) in a short time perhaps suggests that we’ll protect 5 players (Henderson, Smith, Patrick, Crow, EMJ), despite Ernesto already re-signing and minor league contract and Crow’s challenging AFL campaign. 

Not sure about Crow, but a case can be made to roster the other 4 for sure.

I don’t see a team keeping Crow on their roster next year. He needs at least a year in the upper minors imo.

Patrick & Henderson are needed SP depth, Smith can bullpen shuttle and EMJ has huge upside after what he showed in the second-half of last year.

[Playing Catch]

With those moves made, it's hard not to think of all those new 40-man spots.

[Jim Goulart]

The list of players in the initial post of this thread is accurate. Added the three would-be minor league free agents who resigned recently - 1B Ernesto Martinez and catchers Ramon Rodriguez and David Garcia.

Also added RHP Sam McWilliams who was a very late-season free agent signee.

[brewmann04]

Martinez is a guy to watch as a potential 1st baseman

[brewmann04]

brewers need to keep as many arms as possible,

[Joseph Zarr]

One year ago, today on November 13th, the Brewers officially announced they had protected RHP Bradley Blalock and C Jeferson Quero from the 2023 Rule 5 draft by adding them to the 40-Man.

In that respect, it would realistically appear we 'should' be learning any day now what's in store for this year's draft.

 

[SoCalBrewfan]

This link:  https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-offseason-key-dates-free-agency-begins-awards-winter-meetings-hall-of-fame-spring-training-and-more/

suggests Nov 19 is the deadline this year.

[Jim Goulart]

Who Will the Brewers Protect from This Year's Rule 5 Draft?
by Jack Stern, BrewerFanatic.com

[Jim Goulart]

 

[Jim Goulart]

This is a very solid point and it’s very very unlikely Martinez and his agent turned down 40-man offers all because Ernesto wanted to stay with the Brewers.

 

[CheezWizHed]

On 11/15/2024 at 11:55 AM, Jim Goulart said:

This is a very solid point and it’s very very unlikely Martinez and his agent turned down 40-man offers all because Ernesto wanted to stay with the Brewers.

 

I was wondering about this... why pick him up in Rule 5 when you could've had him for free?

Also would like to wonder if he would be in the top 10-15 Rule 5 options... there are rarely more picked than that. 

[markedman5]

 

[CheeseheadInQC]

Mildly surprised by Patrick just because they didn’t call him up last year. 

[Joseph Zarr]

No surprise here. Patrick is a fantastic pitcher. You don't do what he did on the mound and not get protected. It's really as simple as that. He really sealed his fate over his last month plus. He was electric.

Go back and watch his start vs those dangerous Norfolk bats @ Norfolk to close his season. One start after punching out 12 Redbirds. He had just reached an entirely new level by season's end. He was the first International League Triple Crown pitcher since 1976. Like Gasser won the League Pitcher of the Year. That means something.

[Joseph Zarr]

Patrick's best pitch, btw, is his cutter. He can throw that pitch in a variety of ways with a variety of movements. By season's end it was a legitimate weapon. It's a filthy filthy pitch. And, well, you know how the Brewers love a cutter. I think Stern wrote about this recently (?). Regardless, by season's end the pitch had evolved into a plus MLB pitch. I am not exaggerating here. It gets and got a lot of swing and miss. 

[biedergb]

Three pitchers with Brewers ties listed as ones to  watch for the Rule 5 Draft in Baseball America. I will not list much details and will paraphrase to respect their premium content:

Shane Smith, RHP - UDFA signing - highlighting his repertoire and that he profiles as reliever more. (I worry he will be with another organization this upcoming year sadly)

Evan Reifert - former UDFA signing as well who was traded to Tampa for Brosseau. His stuff isn't as good, and he had a bad 2023 and bounceback 2024.

Yujanyer Herrera  - IFA for the Brewers and traded to Colorado as part of the Mears deal - reported that he had TJ surgery recently per their report. So while he was viewed by some (like me) as a big loss as a pitching prospect, this injury and his rule V status would have made it hard for him in the org. The TJ surgery was also confirmed separately on X:

 

[Outlander]

I think Reifert is a sneeky good option and somebody should take a flyer on. He had injuries in 2023 but came back strong in 2024 and should continue that in 2025. Excellent slider that gets tons of strikeouts.

[Ro Mueller]

I worry that Wednesday is Lose Shane Smith Day, forever replacing Lose Miguel Diaz Day.

[CheeseheadInQC]

5 hours ago, Ro Mueller said:

I worry that Wednesday is Lose Shane Smith Day, forever replacing Lose Miguel Diaz Day.

The one thing that gives me hope is that there seem to be a fair number of decent pitchers left available. As long as there is always one the choosing team prefers to Smith ...

[Ro Mueller]

5 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

The one thing that gives me hope is that there seem to be a fair number of decent pitchers left available. As long as there is always one the choosing team prefers to Smith ...

I think our best hope is that Smith is selected by an incompetent organization who gives up on him too soon: