Jackson Chourio Appreciation Thread

[wiguy94]

Here's a crazy tweet. Just to emphasize how young Chourio is. He is younger than 72% of this fantasy guy's Top 500 prospects. 

Also another crazy tweet from Curt. It's cherrypicked, but the company that did it at 21 are 2 of the best players in MLB history.

 

[Samurai Bucky]

I believe that having Pat Murphy at the helm was HUGE for his development.  As has been said many times, he knows how to work with young players.

I would also like to add Willie Adames and William Contreras.  It is one thing to have the manager and coaches instruct, but it is another to have a mentor who is in the trenches with you.  I was amazed that Chourio is one of the best outfielders.  He would not have done that (in my opinion) if Adames didn't challenge him when he didn't give max effort diving for a ball earlier in the year.

Adames provides one of those coefficients that isn't recorded in Statcast, nor is a category in a fantasy baseball league.  Chourio is the beneficiary.

[homer]

If he was doing this in high A ball we'd probably be pretty excited.

[homer]

 

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

21 minutes ago, homer said:

 

 

It's important for a mlb organization to have a solid development program for prospects to turn into as good a big league player as they can if they themselves want to put in the work.

However, it's even more important for an organization to occasionally sign a unicorn youngster that never really is a prospect.  In Chourio, the Brewers appear to have done just that.  And for those who are paying attention waaaay down on the lower levels of the farm, there may be more unicorns on the way.

[SF70]

25 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

It's important for a mlb organization to have a solid development program for prospects to turn into as good a big league player as they can if they themselves want to put in the work.

However, it's even more important for an organization to occasionally sign a unicorn youngster that never really is a prospect.  In Chourio, the Brewers appear to have done just that.  And for those who are paying attention waaaay down on the lower levels of the farm, there may be more unicorns on the way.

Well I’m paying attention and this system has just incredible teenage talent and as such will be graduating impact positional talent at super young ages some of whom that also can be extended keeping them in MKE through their prime-performance years.

This next 10-15 years is going to get awful fun being a Brewers fan.

[adambr2]

Why isn't Chourio getting any ROTY love? Skenes is going to win, I get that, but Chourio at least deserves to be in the discussion on the same level as guys like Jackson Merrill and Tyler Fitzgerald.

[homer]

6 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Why isn't Chourio getting any ROTY love? Skenes is going to win, I get that, but Chourio at least deserves to be in the discussion on the same level as guys like Jackson Merrill and Tyler Fitzgerald.

There's some buzz building. If he keeps this up until the end of August it will be much, much louder.

[shanedog19]

31 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Why isn't Chourio getting any ROTY love? Skenes is going to win, I get that, but Chourio at least deserves to be in the discussion on the same level as guys like Jackson Merrill and Tyler Fitzgerald.

He certainly will if he keeps playing like this.

[sveumrules]

Pretty impressive rookie crop in the NL this year...

Skenes (3.7 rWAR), Imanaga (3.0 rWAR), some dude named Tobias Myers (2.5 rWAR), some other dude named Bryan Hudson (+2.39 WPA)

Merrill (3.0 WAR), Fitzgerald (2.9 WAR), Winn (2.8 WAR), some dude named Chourio (2.5 WAR), Busch (2.4 WAR), some other dude named Joey Ortiz (2.3 WAR).

That's essentially ten wins (& counting) the Brewers have gotten from rookies so far with an eleventh win tacked on from Bob Gas (0.9 rWAR) in his five starts. 

[SeaBass]

Chourio has made a steep improvement just in these last 3 weeks since the all star break. It wasn't that long ago that he was slashing .243/.294/.384/.678 (pre all star) which is a stark difference to his current line .277/.322/.441/.763 (post all star).

I'm sure people around the sport have noticed his hot streak but all it's really done is catch up his numbers so that he's in the same ballpark as the other leading rookies. Fortunately there's still 7ish weeks of season left. Hope he keeps it going.

[sveumrules]

2 hours ago, SeaBass said:

Chourio has made a steep improvement just in these last 3 weeks since the all star break. It wasn't that long ago that he was slashing .243/.294/.384/.678 (pre all star) which is a stark difference to his current line .277/.322/.441/.763 (post all star).

I'm sure people around the sport have noticed his hot streak but all it's really done is catch up his numbers so that he's in the same ballpark as the other leading rookies. Fortunately there's still 7ish weeks of season left. Hope he keeps it going.

If you go through his game log from the start of the season there have been four pretty distinct periods for Jackson so far this year...

Solid Start (0329 to 0410)
43 PA | 7.0 BB% | 30.2 K%
282/326/462 (117 wRC+)

The Learning Curve (0411 to 0601)
133 PA | 5.3 BB% | 26.3 K%
184/227/280 (41 wRC+)

Figuring It Out (0602 to 0714)
124 PA | 8.9 BB% | 17.7 K%
295/355/473 (129 wRC+)

HE'S ON FIRE !! (0720 to 0808)
74 PA | 2.7 BB% | 13.5 K%
408/432/662 (206 wRC+)

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

If you go through his game log from the start of the season there have been four pretty distinct periods for Jackson so far this year...

Solid Start (0329 to 0410)
43 PA | 7.0 BB% | 30.2 K%
282/326/462 (117 wRC+)

The Learning Curve (0411 to 0601)
133 PA | 5.3 BB% | 26.3 K%
184/227/280 (41 wRC+)

Figuring It Out (0602 to 0714)
124 PA | 8.9 BB% | 17.7 K%
295/355/473 (129 wRC+)

HE'S ON FIRE !! (0720 to 0808)
74 PA | 2.7 BB% | 13.5 K%
408/432/662 (206 wRC+)

Don't even think solid start is necessary. The peripherals were hideous during that stretch. It was just small sample size flukiness. During that stretch he had a .253 xwOBA. 7% BB-rate, 30% K-rate, 33% whiff rate. During the learning curve stretch. During the learning curve stretch he had a .283 xwOBA, 5% BB-rate, 26% K-rate, 29% whiff rate, so the peripherals were worse during the solid start than the learning curve stretch.

[brewcrewdue80]

Chourio's BWar gained .3 after yesterday's 2HR game.  Think he'll be in the conversation for RoY more as the War gains toward 4÷

 

Keep in mind after checking. Corbin Carroll had a 25HR 50+ SB last season. At 14/15 Chourio is getting smoked in that department if season ended today.  What Skenes is doing isn't just RoY worthy but Cy Young worthy.  Chourio has a lot of catching up to do still without a Skenes falloff. The two haven't faced each other yet for some h2h comparison. Will we get that this season?

[RightFieldCoder]

On 8/7/2024 at 1:53 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

 

I thought it was something to be on the list of worst defenders at two positions. But then I realized pretty much any outfielder on either list could easily be the worst defender at C given enough innings there.

[Playing Catch]

Of course anytime one predicts future baseball outcomes, there are inherent risks, but I honestly think that we are seeing the present, and future, Jackson Chourio now.

I just don't know how pitchers are going to attack him, for him to slump significantly. He can pull his hands in, he can drive the ball opposite field, he can spit on pitches outside the zone, He has speed to beat out infield hits, he has demonstrated the ability to recognize pitches. He can hit fastballs and offspeed. He hits with incredible power. Like, how will pitchers attack him? How do you get him out on a consistent basis?

At the risk of jinxing it, and at the risk of sounding stupid later, I don't see anything except off-field issues from derailing his destiny as an annual MVP candidate.

[homer]

Quote

I’ll say it one more time: This isn’t normal. Players aren’t this good this young. Baseball at this level is a grown-up’s sport. Hitters need time to develop; even the guys we think of as phenoms mostly didn’t hit the majors before 21. We’re watching a meteoric talent establish himself in the major leagues. By next season, we’ll have more of an idea what Chourio’s best skill is. For now, it’s enough to marvel at how quickly he’s figuring it all out.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/what-is-jackson-chourios-superpower/

[RWeeksFan23]

On 8/7/2024 at 1:53 PM, Brewcrew82 said:

 

i'm actually surprised by that; feels like Chourio has had his fair share of blunders defensively this season. 

[homer]

1 hour ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

i'm actually surprised by that; feels like Chourio has had his fair share of blunders defensively this season. 

I think the theory is that he is so fast he is getting to balls and making an attempt where other guys would probably lay back and let it drop.

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I think the theory is that he is so fast he is getting to balls and making an attempt where other guys would probably lay back and let it drop.

He has just had some very clear adjustment periods. He struggled in RF for about a month then was absolutely lights out (yes even including that play in Miami that had like 1% catch probability). He's now going through those same adjustments in LF where frankly he looks totally out of sorts at the moment.

[Brewcrew82]

I mean 4/5 of these guys are HOFers or future HOFers while the other guy only won an NL MVP.....

[wiguy94]

Chourio's 8th inning double is new the hardest hit ball in his career at 111.6 EV breaking his previous record of 111.2. A 20 year old hit a ball 111.6 mph leading off the 8th inning down 1 run against the LA Dodgers closer. Incredible.

[wiguy94]

This Jackson Chourio kid has been pretty good his last 200 PA

[HarveysWBs]

I know that in a sense, the weight of the entire franchise was already on his shoulders, but after today, the weight of the franchise is really on his shoulders. It is not fair to expect him to be ready for this moment. But as Ra’s al Ghul said, “death does not wait for you to be ready.” The playoffs are calling, and it will be do or die time.

[kestrel79]

On 8/9/2024 at 9:59 AM, adambr2 said:

Why isn't Chourio getting any ROTY love? Skenes is going to win, I get that, but Chourio at least deserves to be in the discussion on the same level as guys like Jackson Merrill and Tyler Fitzgerald.

To quote Yeli from Spring Training before the season started "Because uh yeah, we're the Brewers." - Which looking back sums up pretty much why we rarely get any national media love or attention despite having the most wins and fans in the seats over the past 10 years of any franchise. Because we're the Brewers.