Garrett Crochet

[DR28]

According to JP Morosi, we are among the teams pursuing Crochet.

Gotta say, I am surprised by this.

[brewerfan82]

(just a reminder, it's always appreciated to post a link to where you hear any rumors, information, etc.)

[Matt]

A little terrified of what it would cost to bring him in. 

[DR28]

4 minutes ago, Matt said:

A little terrified of what it would cost to bring him in. 

I bet starts with 2 of Pratt, Made, Mis.

[wallus]

Mis could be the headliner but I am not trading Pratt or Made for a guy with only 2 years of control.

[DR28]

4 minutes ago, wallus said:

Mis could be the headliner but I am not trading Pratt or Made for a guy with only 2 years of control.

Agreed, Pratt and Made need to be untouchable.

[wibadgers23]

27 minutes ago, DR28 said:

I bet starts with 2 of Pratt, Made, Mis.

You’re probably close but yikes! It would hurt I’m sure.

[jay87shot]

The White Sox want mlb bats, my guess would be 2 of Sal/Mitchell/Perk/Black, Boeve/Adams/Wilken, and pitching prospect. I don't know if I would include Pratt, obviously the Sox would want him but I don't know if I would do an OF, Black and Pratt for 2 years of Crochet. At the deadline and Crochet want an extension which was difficult but maybe we could get creative and make an extension but in reality if we could pay Willy long term Crochet might be tough.

I really have liked the idea of a 3 team for Crochet. 

Devin to NYY, we get Crochet, CWS get Spencer Jones (2 upper mid level prospects),  Tyler Black, pitching prospect (mil)

CWS need so much maybe we give them like 6 pieces like the Mike Clevinger deal once upon a time. I would love this deal.

Black, Perkins, Boeve, Peguero, Hall, and Patrick

We don't lose anything huge and the Sox get 3 bats, 2 starters, and a potential closer (for them).

[nate82]

37 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

The White Sox want mlb bats, my guess would be 2 of Sal/Mitchell/Perk/Black, Boeve/Adams/Wilken, and pitching prospect.

The White Sox wouldn't really be interested in this deal and Perkins isn't really someone that would interest them and neither would Black.  The White Sox are also loaded with pitching prospects with 6 of the top 10 being pitchers.  I am not sure they would want a pitching prospect.  Schultz and Smith are 1 and 2 on the White Sox prospect list.  I am not even sure the White Sox would have much interest in Frelick or Mitchell either.  I believe the White Sox are looking for players who don't have MLB service time in a return for Crochet.  As for Boeve and Adams they would be throw in types.  I don't believe the White Sox would have much interest in Wilken as Colson Montgomery looks to be their future 3B.  I am not sold on Montgomery being a SS as he doesn't have the range or quickness to play there. 

I think for a Crochet deal to happen you would have to include someone like Pratt.  If you are not willing to deal Pratt then I don't think there is a deal to be made with the White Sox.  I also don't believe you can substitute Misio in instead of Pratt.  I just don't see the White Sox having the same value for Misio as the Brewers do.  Meaning he doesn't have the same value that Pratt would have to the White Sox and this has nothing to do with Misio's talent or value in a trade to another team.  The White Sox have a bunch of pitching prospects so adding another is lower on their list of what they need. 

[Matt]

Pratt (headliner)
Sal/Mitchell/Black (MLB ready guy) 
Knoth/Lara/Areinamo/Burke (lower level 10-20 type) 

is probably as high as I would go. 

Losing Pratt would hurt but you gotta give up something. 

[Ro Mueller]

Aren’t we just raising the price the Cubs will pay?

[wallus]

Thinking about this more, I think our interest is real.

We really only "need" one starter at 3B/SS/2B in the near future assuming Turang and Ortiz at least stay at the levels they are at now and into the future. So as of now, we have Made, Pratt, Boeve, Wilken, Arienamo, Adams, Bitonti, etc that are possibilities that could play at least one of those positions. We also have a ton of picks this year.

I do not have as much confidence in our starting pitching options this year and especially next year. In 2026, we have Peralta, Myers, hopefully Gasser, hopefully Mis, maybe Hall or Ashby? We have a few other interesting options in the minors but not like our infield options by any means. 

Crochet is cheap this year and next year. He also mentioned being open to an extension at the trade deadline which may be our angle on trading for him and adding a few years of control on him. The strength of the White Sox minor leagues is pitching so they maybe might not value Mis as much. 

Brewers get: Crochet (BTV 53.4)

White Sox get: Pratt (BTV 19.7), Frelick (BTV 21.4), and Uribe (BTV 7.5)

[TURBO]

4 hours ago, DR28 said:

I bet starts with 2 of Pratt, Made, Mis.

Then I'm OUT!

[TURBO]

3 hours ago, jay87shot said:

The White Sox want mlb bats, my guess would be 2 of Sal/Mitchell/Perk/Black, Boeve/Adams/Wilken, and pitching prospect.

If this was all it took, the deal would be done already.  Not a chance this gets it done.  An offer like that would immediately be beaten out by almost any other team in the running.

[Brewcrew82]

3 hours ago, Matt said:

Pratt (headliner)
Sal/Mitchell/Black (MLB ready guy) 
Knoth/Lara/Areinamo/Burke (lower level 10-20 type) 

is probably as high as I would go. 

Losing Pratt would hurt but you gotta give up something. 

Yeah, this is probably it. Pratt obviously would sting the most. I'd have to imagine the White Sox would try to get a Bitonti or a Payne included in this deal alongside Pratt. 

Made is untouchable for obvious reasons.

I will say that we as Brewers fans should probably get over our prospect hugging a bit. Guys like Chourio and Made aren't necessarily easily replaceable, but this FO has developed an infrastructure that now continually churns out high level talent through the draft and through the international market particularly. I would hate to lose a Pratt or a Yophery Rodriguez, but we'd still have Made, Pena, Bitonti, Payne, etc to go with  our new signing class and then our 5 top 70 picks in the upcoming draft. Bottom line is we really shouldn't get too hung up over specific names (most of whom won't pan out to begin with) and instead trust this FO's ability to replenish what is lost. Same with San Diego which gave up big hauls for Soto, Darvish, yet has guys DeVries, Salas, etc. now making their way through the ranks. 

[tmwiese55]

Wouldn't say I'm one totally attached to prospects. But I'd also say I think we're not desperate enough to get pitching or that we don't continue to find it much cheaper so I don't see the need to give up possible top top guys like Pratt for 2 years of someone like Crochet.  Already had TJ, so only has one year track record, have to manage workload, gone in under 2 years. Now for some past bigger proven arms like a Burnes, Snell etc when they were being shopped I get it.  

Its not like I'm saying he isn't good, just that I don't think we're in that dire of need of pitching to have to 'overpay' or however you want to phrase it.  Someone like Bal should be all over a guy like him, tons of talent to trade and desperate for pitching. 

[SF70]

Agree with your take. Prospect-procurement is the best by far, currently, that this system has ever had. 

With that said, I’m adding Payne & Pena to  Made as untouchable Brewers prospects. Far too much upside to trade at this time.

Pratt can go for the right deal, so can Misiorowski and Quero, with Quero, for me, the most painful potential loss.

The team has a decade plus of championship-caliber talent ahead and a team currently, with an additional big-armed playoff starter (Chrochet), 3B (Moncada/Bohm), upgrade at UIF (DeJong/Berti) and better 1B that can crush LHP (Goldschmidt) can make a serious run this year.

[markedman5]

For only 2 years of control……probably have to trade him again after 1…… don’t think I’d give up what it would take to get him.

It’s one thing to give up a bunch of prospects for 4 or 5 years of control but 2 just doesn’t interest me as much…….plus there is the injury risk with him.

[Matt]

3 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

For only 2 years of control……probably have to trade him again after 1…… don’t think I’d give up what it would take to get him.

It’s one thing to give up a bunch of prospects for 4 or 5 years of control but 2 just doesn’t interest me as much…….plus there is the injury risk with him.

Where I'm at too. 

I'm not adverse to digging into the system to bring back some strong help to the big club, but two years of control for six, 12, or 18 years is tough to stomach.

Brewers should work on being the receiving end of that team control. 

[brewmann04]

Totally hope they stay away from him 

[BallFour]

If the whole goal is to keep the postseason window constantly open it doesn't make sense to consolidate assets into Crochet. Having said that I do remember leading up to the 2020 draft the Brewers were linked to Crochet heavily.

Upside-Stuff is unreal, very cheap projected arbitration number this year.

Downside-2 years of control and durability concerns.

It is not like we have a surplus of young talent like the Orioles last year. In a perfect world that will happen soon if just a handful of infield prospects build on their seasons from last year. 

[BrewerFan]

18 hours ago, nate82 said:

The White Sox wouldn't really be interested in this deal and Perkins isn't really someone that would interest them and neither would Black.

I don't think you can take Black, throw in 5 guys who are not really prospects and make the deal, but why wouldn't they have interest in a top 100 prospect who has...virtually no service time?

 

18 hours ago, nate82 said:

I don't believe the White Sox would have much interest in Wilken as Colson Montgomery looks to be their future 3B.  I am not sold on Montgomery being a SS as he doesn't have the range or quickness to play there. 

Wilken value is going to be in his power and ability to get on base.

They're devoid of talent. I'd guess they'd willing to take whatever the best prospects rather than filling holes in their lineup. This is a team that lost...101 and 121 games the last two years. 

 

They're in a complete rebuild. Just take the talent. I'm sure they'd want Pratt or Made. I don't know how to guess how they'd value Misiorowski vs Pratt vs a 17-year-old Made. This is the same organization that traded Tatis Jr at 17, so may not want to build a trade around a kid that young. 

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, BallFour said:

If the whole goal is to keep the postseason window constantly open it doesn't make sense to consolidate assets into Crochet. Having said that I do remember leading up to the 2020 draft the Brewers were linked to Crochet heavily.

Upside-Stuff is unreal, very cheap projected arbitration number this year.

Downside-2 years of control and durability concerns.

It is not like we have a surplus of young talent like the Orioles last year. In a perfect world that will happen soon if just a handful of infield prospects build on their seasons from last year. 

Well, they liked him enough to draft him out of HS. I don't want to give up the prospects it'd likely take either. The Mets and Yankees are the favorites but the Mets system seems to be a much better fit than the Yankees. 

[Playing Catch]

My first thought was... the White Sox leaked this rumor to drive up the prospect price from other teams. The Brewers have the quality and quantity of prospects the Sox would like in return. This rumor would put pressure on Boston to offer up more of both quantity/quality to get Crochet.

My 2nd thought was... maybe a 3-way deal with Dodgers...

Brewers get Crochet
Dodgers get Devin Williams and Filippo Di Turi
White Sox get Daulton Rushing, Tyler Black, and Luis Lara

In this scenario, the Brewers are willing to trade from depth, if not quality, only have to give up 3 decent prospects, rather than dip into their better prospects to procure Crochet. The Dodgers get something back for giving up 1 premium prospect. The White Sox get 1 premium prospect, one MLB ready bat, and a sure-fire CF prospect.

It seems like maybe the Dodgers are giving up too much in this hypothetical. But the idea of flipping Devin for more prospects in order to get Crochet, I think, seems plausible.

[TURBO]

No mention of the Brewers here in the latest info...  Are we already out?

 

The Athletic’s Ken Rosenthal and Will Sammon report the Mets and Yankees are among teams vying to acquire White Sox ace Garrett Crochet.

 

Rosenthal and Sammon add that the Phillies and Red Sox are among the other teams interested in Crochet, but the Mets and Yankees have been the most aggressive so far in trade talks. The 25-year-old southpaw, who is under team control for two more season before reaching free agency is the best pitcher available on the trade market this offseason following last year’s breakout campaign where he led all big-league starters with a staggering 35.1 percent strikeout rate across 146 innings (32 starts). At this point, it’s unclear how close the White Sox are to making a decision, but the asking price figures to be astronomical.