Burnes to DBacks

[LouisEly]

12 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I’m sure we all would be unnerved if our bosses made arguments about how undeserving we are of a specific salary increase.

I don't know about others, but I get this every year.  It's called an annual performance review, where I get told everything I didn't do perfectly over the last year and why I only  got the salary increase that I did.

[SF70]

12 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I thought Burnes general pitched his heart out in Milwaukee. He received a rude awakening during arbitration. I’m sure we all would be unnerved if our bosses made arguments about how undeserving we are of a specific salary increase.

His fault for going to the hearing. What did he expect would happen? 
 

IN MY OPINION — Burnes is a spoiled, petulant child. Happy he’s gone. Same with Hader, Lauer and now Williams.

[nate82]

16 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

I thought Burnes general pitched his heart out in Milwaukee. He received a rude awakening during arbitration. I’m sure we all would be unnerved if our bosses made arguments about how undeserving we are of a specific salary increase.

I am guessing you have never worked a corporate job.  This is called a yearly evaluation and they can be brutal at times.  What Burnes went through is nothing compared to what I know some colleagues have gone through during the yearly evaluation.  What Burnes went through would be considered neutral and almost positive.  

[Frisbee Slider]

5 minutes ago, nate82 said:

What Burnes went through would be considered neutral and almost positive.  

Burnes reasonably could have thought he was the best person on the planet at doing his job before entering the arbitration room. It is not common for genuinely top performers in corporate jobs to hear ‘no’ very often. 

[duewizard]

21 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

I’m happy for him too but I’m not a Burnes fan

IMO - he pouted as a Brewer & I always preferred Woody to Burnes personality wise 

And … I only like the Brewers 😏

 

Gave us a no-hitter, a Cy Young, several years of great performances and Joey/DL Hall. Didnt love his personality but he was an alright guy in my book.

Hmmm fair enough. I only like the Brewers too. I dont mind the D-backs lol

[82brewcrew82]

Impressive answer. That probably seals it.

[Brian]

11 hours ago, SF70 said:

His fault for going to the hearing. What did he expect would happen? 
 

IN MY OPINION — Burnes is a spoiled, petulant child. Happy he’s gone. Same with Hader, Lauer and now Williams.

Just like Aaron Rodgers. 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/28/2024 at 12:11 PM, LouisEly said:

Much has been made of Devin Williams and Josh Hader faltering in the playoffs, but Burnes in 2023 should be right up there with them.

I wouldn't compare Burnes and Williams playoff meltdowns. Or Williams and Haders. Hader got beat by Freeman and Soto, two of the best hitters of their era. 

Williams just melted down and gave up a whole lot of runs.

 

On 12/28/2024 at 8:28 AM, Frisbee Slider said:

Is Burnes due for an arm/shoulder injury in the next few years? I certainly don’t wish that upon him but he has had many high intensity innings.

Couldn't the same be said about any pitcher? The argument can't be that he's been durable and dominant, so he's due...right?

On 12/28/2024 at 8:07 AM, Frisbee Slider said:

If we had $35 million in additional payroll, would we want to give it to Corbin Burnes in his thirties?

I don't know...but you seem to go with the 'I didn't want him anyway,' argument when an ex-Brewer gets a big deal upon leaving the Brewers. 

If we had an extra 35M, the Brewers may have been more inclined to give Burnes a deal after his 3rd year when he publicly talked about not having been offered an extension(though he said he'd have liked to) and we could have bought out his arbitration years+ 2-3 FA years and been paying him for just a couple more years. He got ~32M the last 3 years. 6 years 120M, 5/90. You'd be in the option years right now.

 

OR...they could have 35M more and extend Contreras a couple more years or they could have signed Christian Walker, Goldschmidt.

And maybe that money would be spent on a bad contract...just as some of the money we spend will be spent on bad deals as it is...the last year of Yelich contract. 

35M more in payroll is a pretty hard thing to turn into a negative...and being the question to which you're responding to is about specifically, having 35M more to spend a year, if it's all on Burnes or not, we'd be better for it. 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/28/2024 at 5:07 PM, markedman5 said:

I bet it was Toronto 

I think you could make a pretty reasonable guess that it was any of the three teams, Balt, Boston or Toronto.

Boston is where I'd have my money. They said they were putting together a final aggressive offer shortly after the Fried contract and the Mets signing Soto. 

Crochet and Burnes with their young lineup would have been pretty damn good...and they haven't been spending much recently, a disgruntled fanbase. 

[brewcrewdue80]

Good on Burnes not only getting paid, but signing with a team near his home to go to when playing at home.  Depending on his upcoming starts, he can probably stay home a couple days when team goes on the road. Return early home if next start back in AZ.

[monty57]

I respect him for this. I figured the union would be pushing hard for him to go for top dollar to try to set the bar for other players' contracts as high as possible. Cool of him for putting his family ahead of getting the highest possible contract.

[homer]

I think it's nice he stayed close to home but I'd be willing to bet the opt-out after year 2 was a pretty big factor as well.

[bigred]

23 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Burnes reasonably could have thought he was the best person on the planet at doing his job before entering the arbitration room. It is not common for genuinely top performers in corporate jobs to hear ‘no’ very often. 

And yet some people still think everyone(blue collar workers) has an equal chance to further themselves. Sigh.....

[DR28]

On 12/30/2024 at 12:02 AM, BrewerFan said:

I think you could make a pretty reasonable guess that it was any of the three teams, Balt, Boston or Toronto.

Boston is where I'd have my money. They said they were putting together a final aggressive offer shortly after the Fried contract and the Mets signing Soto. 

Crochet and Burnes with their young lineup would have been pretty damn good...and they haven't been spending much recently, a disgruntled fanbase. 

It was Toronto that offered him the 7 yr, $250 mil deal.

[Jopal78]

On 12/30/2024 at 9:48 AM, monty57 said:

I respect him for this. I figured the union would be pushing hard for him to go for top dollar to try to set the bar for other players' contracts as high as possible. Cool of him for putting his family ahead of getting the highest possible contract.

You really think the Union pushes players to sign contracts where they don’t want to sign just for the sake of comps/benchmarks for the next player to hit free agency? Egads. 
 

Players almost universally go where the money is; because that’s what’s best for their livelihood. For example, Burnes’ AAV for the next two years places him 7th highest all time amongst pitchers, and if all goes right he gets to opt out in 2 years and try his luck again at even more money.
 

Its nice for him he signed with the team local to where he makes his home, but really if another team would have offered better terms I’m sure it makes no difference to him where he is plying his trade.

[sveumrules]

Financials are in.

Looks like a $10M signing bonus and $30M salaries each of the first two seasons with $10M deferred each year.

Opt out decision will be to beat 4/140 that is left then with $44M of that amount also deferred.

Full no trade first two years, limited no trade if he doesn’t trigger the opt out.

Deferrals drop the present day value to around $194M for CBT purposes.

[bigred]

On 12/29/2024 at 9:59 AM, LouisEly said:

I don't know about others, but I get this every year.  It's called an annual performance review, where I get told everything I didn't do perfectly over the last year and why I only  got the salary increase that I did.

Exactly. Most bigwigs have huge God complexes, and therefore, forget that we're all just mere mortals, and make mistakes on occasion. 

They always point out a workers negatives, but never the positives. 

[owbc]

On 12/29/2024 at 11:57 AM, nate82 said:

I am guessing you have never worked a corporate job.  This is called a yearly evaluation and they can be brutal at times.  What Burnes went through is nothing compared to what I know some colleagues have gone through during the yearly evaluation.  What Burnes went through would be considered neutral and almost positive.  

If my employer lowballed me and I had 29 other companies who were interested in my services, I’d be gone the next day. My actual performance is irrelevant in that equation. 

[bigred]

On 1/2/2025 at 9:15 AM, Jopal78 said:

You really think the Union pushes players to sign contracts where they don’t want to sign just for the sake of comps/benchmarks for the next player to hit free agency? Egads. 
 

Players almost universally go where the money is; because that’s what’s best for their livelihood. For example, Burnes’ AAV for the next two years places him 7th highest all time amongst pitchers, and if all goes right he gets to opt out in 2 years and try his luck again at even more money.
 

Its nice for him he signed with the team local to where he makes his home, but really if another team would have offered better terms I’m sure it makes no difference to him where he is plying his trade.

Maybe the union doesn't push for that, but agents surely do. I'd bet the "union" does too. 

[Jopal78]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

Maybe the union doesn't push for that, but agents surely do. I'd bet the "union" does too. 

That doesn’t happen either because agents take a percentage. Imagine if an  Agent attempted to “push” or pressure  a player, and got fired in the process;, they’d have invested all the time and effort only to get cut out of most of their fee.