Spring training updates

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, bigred said:

Sigh! Again, I said NOTHING about trading him now. SMDH. My God, people, stop trying to make my comment out to be more than it was actually meant to be. A frigging OPINION!! This site is getting to be way beyond ridiculous with how easily people get "offended". 

The only person offended here and getting upset is you. 

[bigred]

8 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Because he is a SP prospect. The biggest reason he even went into the bullpen towards the end of last season was because he was coming up on his season innings limit and needed to reduce his workload in a bullpen role. 
 

Just because he’s a SP prospect doesn’t mean that will ultimately be his MLB role but yes he’s a SP for now.

Agreed. If he doesn't get his control issues taken care of, though, that will promptly change. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

Agreed. If he doesn't get his control issues taken care of, though, that will promptly change. 

So let me get this straight. You are tired of reading articles that claim that just because Miz was the 1st pitcher yesterday, it means that he's being groomed as a starter. But then acknowledge that he is, in fact, a starter. 

Makes sense!

[bigred]

12 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Because he is a SP prospect. The biggest reason he even went into the bullpen towards the end of last season was because he was coming up on his season innings limit and needed to reduce his workload in a bullpen role. 
 

Just because he’s a SP prospect doesn’t mean that will ultimately be his MLB role but yes he’s a SP for now.

You know, like when we drafted him, they said his ceiling was a #1starter, and his floor was a high end reliever/closer. How quickly "fans" here forgot about that. 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, bigred said:

You know, like when we drafted him, they said his ceiling was a #1starter, and his floor was a high end reliever/closer. How quickly "fans" here forgot about that. 

Who forgot about that? I think pretty much everyone knows that he has the type of arm that you find a spot for. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, bigred said:

You know, like when we drafted him, they said his ceiling was a #1starter, and his floor was a high end reliever/closer. How quickly "fans" here forgot about that. 

I mean that last part isn’t remotely true. Most people here believe Misiorowski at this point is more likely to end up in an MLB bullpen than rotation. 

[homer]

Hey guys, settle down. It's getting a little bit too personal.

[bigred]

7 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

So let me get this straight. You are tired of reading articles that claim that just because Miz was the 1st pitcher yesterday, it means that he's being groomed as a starter. But then acknowledge that he is, in fact, a starter. 

Makes sense!

That's what the articles headlines make it seem like. Yes. 

[homer]

Guys, time to move on.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, bigred said:

That's what the articles headlines make it seem like. Yes. 

Forgive me, then, for not really seeing your argument. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, homer said:

Guys, time to move on.

Guys plural again. It’s one person homer who has done this on numerous threads lately. 

[yfinn6]

Just now, wiguy94 said:

Guys plural again. It’s one person homer who has done this on numerous threads lately. 

Yep. What's the lowest common denominator here. 

[homer]

5 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Guys plural again. It’s one person homer who has done this on numerous threads lately. 

Put him on ignore then. Adding things like "you need to self-reflect" which you wrote is not helping. Please move on. We will deal with the other individual.

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, bigred said:

Then why do they constantly make the headlines look like he's likely to be a starter? Which is what my point was, in my initial comment? I'll ask you 1 question, and until you answer it honestly, I will only comment that same question to you. What type of pitching prospect has the better trade value? A sure fire starter, or a likely reliever? 

Let's look at recent headlines focused on Misiorowski:

Back in starting role, Misiorowski touches 99 mph in spring debut

Misiorowski Ready to Shine in Starting Role for Brewers

Brewers Might Move Young Starter To Bullpen: 'Could Be Their Closer By August'

Jacob Misiorowski Shows Electric Fastball but Struggles with Control

Misiorowski Dominates with Elite Pitches on Top 100 Prospects List

I don't see anything out there that is making an attempt to mislead the public. Every single one of these articles states that Miz came up as a starter, was switched to a relief role late last year to prepare for a possible call-up (which ultimately didn't happen), and that he is now once again being looked at as a starter. 

To answer your question, a sure-fire starting prospect is going to have more trade value. But I would personally hope that the Brewers move Miz to the pen before trading him to a team that views him as a starting prospect, because he has truly dominant stuff.

[tmwiese55]

My guess is the plan or hope is to try and pull of a Burnes/Wood route this year. Where he starts in minors (hopefully improves the control) and then when he's hitting innings issues and/or team wants another arm late in the year he can finish the year in the pen.    Then can be a starter next year when they're going to need a lot of new starters.

If he ultimately fails at it due to control, then switch him just like they did with Hader for the same reasons.  6 years of cheap control for  what should be a great reliever.  No need to rush a trade out of fear of value dropping, we'll get plenty of value out of him playing for us.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Some guys just take longer to find that release point. He is still super young, and the stuff is still hellacious though. It is gonna play amazing out of the pen. I think he ultimately ends up a high leverage reliever but I do not fault them for still keeping him as a starter. Things can click but his control grade currently makes that an uphill battle. 

 

[CheezWizHed]

43 minutes ago, MilwaukeeBeers said:

Some guys just take longer to find that release point. He is still super young, and the stuff is still hellacious though. It is gonna play amazing out of the pen. I think he ultimately ends up a high leverage reliever but I do not fault them for still keeping him as a starter. Things can click but his control grade currently makes that an uphill battle. 

 

Especially when guys are 6'7".  Those are long levers.  6'10" Randy Johnson took a LONG time to figure it out... but for every RJ, there are thousands of AAAA flameouts that can't find it. Hopefully Les Misiorowski doesn't make the Brewers become Les Misérables

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Especially when guys are 6'7".  Those are long levers.  6'10" Randy Johnson took a LONG time to figure it out... but for every RJ, there are thousands of AAAA flameouts that can't find it. Hopefully Les Misiorowski doesn't make the Brewers become Les Misérables

Not to mention Misiorowski is still a string bean. I doubt he ever fills out his frame to the extent Hudson and Megill have, but there's still plenty of room to fill out more.

[wildcat2237]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Not to mention Misiorowski is still a string bean. I doubt he ever fills out his frame to the extent Hudson and Megill have, but there's still plenty of room to fill out more.

Frankly, Misiorowski looks a lot like Jacob DeGrom. He's a little taller than deGrom. But I still think there are enough similarities...

[Brian]

Just got home and Brewers / Dodgers on MLB Network and 1st pitch I seen was a HR by Vinny Capra. Yippie! 

[markedman5]

4 hours ago, homer said:

Put him on ignore then. Adding things like "you need to self-reflect" which you wrote is not helping. Please move on. We will deal with the other individual.

Ignore feature doesn’t seem to be working for new additions…….at least not for me. 

[Brian]

Mitchell just smoked an opposite field HR  off Yamamoto for the Dodgers. 

[Joseph Zarr]

Has Cargo really hit three batters already in 1 2/3 IP? My goodness. Controlling his stuff is always the issue with him. No bueno. 

[markedman5]

Less than ideal outing for Carlos……..yikes

[snoogans8056]

Ernesto Martinez gonna make the roster. Hit one just short of the wall against Yamamoto (37deg launch angle and 102EV) and now hit a 110mph line drive single. Bat speed of 79.5 and 79.8 respectively (crazy).