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"Dustin Pedroia doesn't have the strength or bat speed to hit major-league pitching consistently, and he has no power......He probably has a future as a backup infielder if he can stop rolling over to third base and shortstop." Keith Law, 2006
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11 minutes ago, markedman5 said:

 

2,827 innings of 66 ERA- | 68 FIP-
2,844 innings of 65 ERA- | 70 FIP-

Pretty nuts how close Pedro and Clayton are for their respective careers.

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7 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

2,827 innings of 66 ERA- | 68 FIP-
2,844 innings of 65 ERA- | 70 FIP-

Pretty nuts how close Pedro and Clayton are for their respective careers.

The weird thing is that Pedro was done at the end. Kershaw had a decent season and likely could go one or two more.

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28 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

2,827 innings of 66 ERA- | 68 FIP-
2,844 innings of 65 ERA- | 70 FIP-

Pretty nuts how close Pedro and Clayton are for their respective careers.

damn. I knew Kershaw is obviously a legend and future hall-of-famer, but to think he's right on the exact same level as Pedro is impressive. 

As a kid I just remember Pedro being absolutely unhittable.

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9 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

damn. I knew Kershaw is obviously a legend and future hall-of-famer, but to think he's right on the exact same level as Pedro is impressive. 

As a kid I just remember Pedro being absolutely unhittable.

Yeah, even with their career numbers so close I think Pedro has a better reputation because he did it smack dab in the middle of the steroid era (though ERA- and FIP- do adjust for that), had a higher peak with probably three seasons (1997, 1999, 2000) that are better than Kershaw's best year, and was better in the playoffs with 96 IP of 75 ERA- | 83 FIP- versus 194 IP of 114 ERA- | 92 FIP- for Clayton. 

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Kershaw also had a phew seasons where the ball was deadened but also a few years where the ball was lively.  So not exactly sure how that would impact his career if at all.  I don’t believe the deadened ball or the more lively ball from 2016-2019 are even adjusted in the advanced stats.  

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17 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Kershaw also had a phew seasons where the ball was deadened but also a few years where the ball was lively.  So not exactly sure how that would impact his career if at all.  I don’t believe the deadened ball or the more lively ball from 2016-2019 are even adjusted in the advanced stats.  

ERA- and FIP- minus take run scoring environment into account.

For instance, Kershaw had a 2.91 ERA in 2010 when league average ERA was 4.08 so that shook out to a 76 ERA-.

In 2019 Clayton had a slightly higher ERA of 3.03 but league average ERA was up at 4.51 with the juiced ball so his ERA- was lower at 71.

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5 hours ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

it never made sense to me why Detroit's record was ever as good as it was.

It's Tarik Skubal and a bunch of average-ish players on their roster.

This has little to do with the Tigers (except for getting swept by Cleveland) and almost entirely due to the run Cleveland is on.  The Tigers are a solid team.

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I don't think it is possible for the Rockies to allow 1,000 runs in a season this year but they are close at 984.  They have one more game at home and then are in Seattle and San Francisco both are more pitcher friendly parks.  Still possible as there could be a crazy Coors game tomorrow where if they allow 8 or more runs getting to 1,000 should be possible then  The last teams to allow 1,000 or more runs were the 1999 Rockies, 1996 Tigers and the 1939 St. Louis Browns and Philadelphia Athletics.   

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13 minutes ago, endaround said:

This has little to do with the Tigers (except for getting swept by Cleveland) and almost entirely due to the run Cleveland is on

They're 7-16 over their last 23 games if I'm counting correctly. Cleveland is on fire, but the Tigers are also giving it away.

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7 minutes ago, nate82 said:

I don't think it is possible for the Rockies to allow 1,000 runs in a season this year but they are close at 984.  They have one more game at home and then are in Seattle and San Francisco both are more pitcher friendly parks.  Still possible as there could be a crazy Coors game tomorrow where if they allow 8 or more runs getting to 1,000 should be possible then  The last teams to allow 1,000 or more runs were the 1999 Rockies, 1996 Tigers and the 1939 St. Louis Browns and Philadelphia Athletics.   

That's barely more than 2 runs a game.  They are averaging more than 6 which would put them on pace for more than 1028.

Remember what Yoda said:

 

"Cubs lead to Cardinals. Cardinals lead to dislike. Dislike leads to hate. Hate leads to constipation."

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10 hours ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

it never made sense to me why Detroit's record was ever as good as it was.

It's Tarik Skubal and a bunch of average-ish players on their roster.

Maybe they had a bunch of "Average Joes?"  😉

I'll bet that this is what people say about the Brewers.  The only difference is the Brewers aren't struggling down the stretch like the Tigers.

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4/6 of the NL teams have clinched a postseason berth and 1/3 have clinched the division.

Not a single AL team has technically clinched a playoff bert yet. For people like me that said it was over, I'm glad to be wrong!

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Kinda crazy how much of the AL playoff picture has shifted in the last couple of weeks.  Former Brewer Jason Alexander gives up a 7 spot in the 2nd to the Mariners as Seattle is going for a sweep of the Astros.  The Mariners were on the outside of the playoffs a couple of weeks ago and are suddenly the 2 seed with how far the Tigers have fallen.

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It would make me very happy to see Houston miss the playoffs. I believe they cheated to win, especially "La Camisa No" Altuve.

Houston loses the head to head tiebreaker against, Cleveland, Detroit, and Seattle, so just gotta keep them no better than a tie for the wild card. Looks like Seattle's magic number for the division is 3. The Asterisks have six road games to end the year. Unfortunately they get the Angels and A's. Need Angels and A's to take at least two because Cleveland and Detroit play a three game series starting tomorrow. If all three of Cle, Det and Hou go 4-2, I get my wish.

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17 hours ago, Vgmastr said:

Kinda crazy how much of the AL playoff picture has shifted in the last couple of weeks.  Former Brewer Jason Alexander gives up a 7 spot in the 2nd to the Mariners as Seattle is going for a sweep of the Astros.  The Mariners were on the outside of the playoffs a couple of weeks ago and are suddenly the 2 seed with how far the Tigers have fallen.

The craziest stat is that in 4 days the Mariners went from 2nd place to the biggest divisional lead in the AL. It's going to be a fun week in Seattle. Houston had way too many injuries and it's honestly a miracle they made it this far. Houston does have an easy-ish schedule (playing the A's in Sacramento isn't easy) but the Mariners have the Rockies at home this week and only need to go 3-3 to finish it out. 

Detroit's collapse is really something. A 12 1/2 game division lead in the last week of August should be insurmountable. I bet they still find a way to get in with Skubal going twice in the final week -- a Cleveland/Detroit wild card series would be fun. 

And then in the NL you have the Mets' collapse, which would be a much bigger story if it wasn't being overshadowed by Detroit. I'm pulling for the Reds but it would also be funny to see the D'backs sneak in despite being hard sellers at the deadline. 

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