Jacob Misiorowski gets the call to the show!!!

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

Literally every single stat we have available says he's a back of the rotation starter at best.

Over the last 28 days his OPS-A is .607, over the last 14 days it is .535, and over the last 7 days it's .451

For the season his OPS-A of .697 would rank 46th among MLB starters if he had enough innings to qualify.

[tmwiese55]

2 hours ago, Matt said:

The Super 2 thing is exactly why a lot of people predicted he'd be up shortly after the first week of June. That's absolutely why he's up now.

Funny, I thought I'd read that on here regarding him, thanks.  But then with all the Roman Anthony talk the last few weeks I was expecting someone to mention it on tv or wherever but never saw it brought up regarding him (if it applies idk).   I was just expecting someone at some point to say he'd be up around June 8-10ish due to the rule and never saw it. So I thought I might've been misremembering

[LouisEly]

I think the elevation of Mis is due to having true long relievers in the bullpen now.  

With a starting 5 of Peralta - Quintana - Civale - Mis - and one of Patrick/Priester, they can move the other of Patrick/Priester to the bullpen which would give them three true long relievers in the pen:

Hall
Ashby
The other of Patrick/Priester

That can allow for piggy-backing of Mis with one of those three guys such that Mis only has to pitch 4-5 innings max.

If Woody can stop having random things happen to him and finally get back to the majors, that's potentially four long relievers in the bullpen.

[Frisbee Slider]

5 hours ago, Matt said:

Preister hasn't been good enough to keep his rotation spot if they decide to keep Misi up. He could be sent down or moved to long relief. 

If Priester were sent down he essentially would become out of options. Milwaukee will do everything it can to avoid that. Plus, Priester has been pretty good for a month now.

[Austin Tatious]

 

[CheezWizHed]

11 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

If Priester were sent down he essentially would become out of options. Milwaukee will do everything it can to avoid that. Plus, Priester has been pretty good for a month now.

The discussion about Priester not being "good enough" seems pretty silly after his last month's performances... but there was some chatter bout Patrick being sent down with other SP returning (as painful as that might be with his breakout this year).  

However, I've never quite understood the "we can't send him down because we will lose his last option" philosophy... if you never use someone's last option, what use is it to even have it?.  Is next year a better year to use it than this year?

At some point you either use that flexibility or their performance dictates that they are never used. 

[Outlander]

I'm with you on that, they will have a ton of starters as it stands now with options next year that they could send down if necessary. Priester, Patrick, Myers, Henderson, Miz, Gasser, Rodriguez, Ashby. It's not exactly an old rotation with little flexiblity.

[Playing Catch]

50 minutes ago, Outlander said:

I'm with you on that, they will have a ton of starters as it stands now with options next year that they could send down if necessary. Priester, Patrick, Myers, Henderson, Miz, Gasser, Rodriguez, Ashby. It's not exactly an old rotation with little flexiblity.

Not to derail the thread, but the 2026 rotation is looking deeper by the day, and you've got a good blend of big-league experience (both success and struggle) and exciting potential. You've got guys with different skills, too. Groundball guys, K-rate guys, righties, lefties, side-armers and Over-the-top deliveries, old-souls and youthful naivety.

And the best part is that barring a trade, that group is under team control for awhile, and that each of the rotations in each of the minor league affiliates have multiple guys that will make a 40-man one day, including a few guys that could be dynamite prospects by the end of the season.

[StearnsFTW]

I'd DFA Civale before I sent Patrick down.

 

Of course, I'd prefer neither.  I'm guessing Mis will get one start and then be sent down regardless of how he does.

[Matt]

I don't really understand the thought process of sending Misiorowski down, unless you don't think he's going to be one of the five best starters on the team. Sure, he could come up here and implode over a start or two. But Thursday is the day that the organization has been patiently waiting for. You don't bring up a potential #1 just to dick with his starts. He's as ready as he's going to be. It's time to start having him pitch in meaningful games.

McCalvy: 

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It wasn’t immediately clear who would be displaced by Misiorowski’s arrival to a group that currently includes Freddy Peralta, Aaron Civale, Jose Quintana, Quinn Priester and rookie Chad Patrick. Civale, who has averaged 4 2/3 innings in four starts since a stint on the injured list, took the loss on Monday against Atlanta and had a meeting with Murphy on Tuesday after news broke of Misiorowski’s pending promotion.

I'd be thrilled if it's Civale being displaced. 

[MattK]

18 hours ago, Matt said:

Literally every single stat we have available says he's a back of the rotation starter at best. I'm talking about replacing his spot with a guy who projects to be a font of the rotation starter. Who else is gonna go if not Preister? Not Peralta, Patrick, or Quintana. I would be good with Civale getting replaced, but my guess is his veteran status makes him safe and he'll get every chance. So it's Preister or Misiorowski. If you're going to give the ball to one guy, I think the answer is plainly obvious.

Or does Miso tandem with Quintana on the second time through for him?  As they've used DL Hall.

[MattK]

22 minutes ago, Matt said:

I don't really understand the thought process of sending Misiorowski down, unless you don't think he's going to be one of the five best starters on the team. Sure, he could come up here and implode over a start or two. But Thursday is the day that the organization has been patiently waiting for. You don't bring up a potential #1 just to dick with his starts. He's as ready as he's going to be. It's time to start having him pitch in meaningful games.

McCalvy: 

I'd be thrilled if it's Civale being displaced. 

Perhaps this is when they start moving a couple of the major leaguer starters?  Civale to Toronto for prospects, or something?  Would think it won't be for the next week as they are in the midst of the 10 games/10 days stretch.  There is a plan though.

Also for a 40 day spot, at some point here, Oliver Dunn can be DFAd.  He has a ~600 OPS in AAA, no one is going to pick him up.  Their issue will be him currently playing SS for Nash, although not that well.  Delgado could handle it for a few days, and then Dunn will be back.  I had thought Dunn's DFA was waiting for Wilken & Pratt to come up to Nashville for the second half of the AAA season, but Pratt hasn't been hitting much (although <maybe> started something this week????).  

[markedman5]

They aren’t sending Priester down….they have already said it…..

That meeting they had with Civale makes me think he might be the guy who gets sent to the bullpen as the long man.

we will soon see.

Priester has out pitched Civale ……if somebody has to be displaced it seems likely to be him.

A lot might depend on how Miz  handles his business tomorrow.

 

[sveumrules]

29 minutes ago, Matt said:

I don't really understand the thought process of sending Misiorowski down,

The main reason is it’s easier to control his workload in the lower stakes environs of AAA than it is in the fighting for a playoff spot MLB.

After 97 IP last year I’d guess they want to keep Misio around 130 or so this year. With 63 IP already under his belt let’s say that leaves around 70 yet to throw.

That’s fourteen starts at five innings each, but there are still eighteen trips through a five man rotation after Thursday. I guess 18 x 4 gets you to 72 too.

The math more or less dictates that it will take some degree of creativity to have Misio pitching meaningful innings in Sept (& hopefully Oct).

Think the thought process would be something like giving him a mini breather here for the rest of June/July (extra days / lower innings in AAA) sets him up better to help the MLB team down the stretch (& hopefully beyond) after a spot or two open up at the deadline.

[Playing Catch]

I think the days of a 5-man rotation are over. Most teams will have 2 or 3 guys that they really count on for innings, but outside of that, a well-run pitching staff will share innings with 6 or 7 other guys (or more), that shuttle back and forth between AAA and IL. You try and keep your top 3 or 4 bullpen guys for games you are winning, but you use your other starters, openers, and bulk relievers on something of a schedule, and use those middle-inning guys like Hall/Ashby as either innings-eaters in a loss, or as guys that keep the game within reach for the offense.

 This depth is a really, really good problem to have.

[markedman5]

My hunch was correct

 

[Oxy]

18 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Batters from time to time yes.

Just highlighting this cuz it literally made me LOL...but only after reading it a 2nd or 3rd time.  I might be slow...

[wibadgers23]

Can't imagine Civale is too happy with this move, particularly with him being a free agent this offseason.  Gotta think they are trying to trade him.

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

The main reason is it’s easier to control his workload in the lower stakes environs of AAA than it is in the fighting for a playoff spot MLB.

After 97 IP last year I’d guess they want to keep Misio around 130 or so this year. With 63 IP already under his belt let’s say that leaves around 70 yet to throw.

That’s fourteen starts at five innings each, but there are still eighteen trips through a five man rotation after Thursday. I guess 18 x 4 gets you to 72 too.

The math more or less dictates that it will take some degree of creativity to have Misio pitching meaningful innings in Sept (& hopefully Oct).

Think the thought process would be something like giving him a mini breather here for the rest of June/July (extra days / lower innings in AAA) sets him up better to help the MLB team down the stretch (& hopefully beyond) after a spot or two open up at the deadline.

Just me, but if Mis doesn't fall on his face at the MLB level with command and the onfield performance warrants a quick trip back to the minors, there's no way I want the primary resaon for one of the most electric arms in baseball to go back to the minors being consistent innings management.  If they are adamant about a hard IP ceiling, there's a ton of time and pitching depth to allow him to steadily reach that point without a manipulative demotion.

 

Those bullets are major league quality filth - they should be fired at the major league level.

[markedman5]

1 hour ago, wibadgers23 said:

Can't imagine Civale is too happy with this move, particularly with him being a free agent this offseason.  Gotta think they are trying to trade him.

Murphy said he isn’t ……tough for him but stuff happens.

[tmwiese55]

3 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The main reason is it’s easier to control his workload in the lower stakes environs of AAA than it is in the fighting for a playoff spot MLB.

After 97 IP last year I’d guess they want to keep Misio around 130 or so this year. With 63 IP already under his belt let’s say that leaves around 70 yet to throw.

That’s fourteen starts at five innings each, but there are still eighteen trips through a five man rotation after Thursday. I guess 18 x 4 gets you to 72 too.

The math more or less dictates that it will take some degree of creativity to have Misio pitching meaningful innings in Sept (& hopefully Oct).

Think the thought process would be something like giving him a mini breather here for the rest of June/July (extra days / lower innings in AAA) sets him up better to help the MLB team down the stretch (& hopefully beyond) after a spot or two open up at the deadline.

In addition, by sending guys up and down like this you get an extra BP arm in the 4-5 days the SP like Miz would be sitting around unavailable.     That's gotta be a big thing for MKE with how heavily they use their BP.

So get the 5-6 innings, send down and get a fresh arm up for however many days needed, then send the bp guy down to pull up another AAA starter when needed,  Rinse/repeat

[CheezWizHed]

4 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

Can't imagine Civale is too happy with this move, particularly with him being a free agent this offseason.  Gotta think they are trying to trade him.

Then he needs to be not happy with himself.  He pitched himself off the Ray's rotation with a 5 ERA, bounced back with the Brewers last year to look a bit more of the Cleveland version of himself...(heavily aided by our defense) than came back this year to look like the TB version. 

When you pitch below replacement level, expect to be replaced.

[Simba2020]

32 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Then he needs to be not happy with himself.  He pitched himself off the Ray's rotation with a 5 ERA, bounced back with the Brewers last year to look a bit more of the Cleveland version of himself...(heavily aided by our defense) than came back this year to look like the TB version. 

When you pitch below replacement level, expect to be replaced.

Yeah I wouldn't shed a tear if his Brewers career is soon coming to an end. A prototypical 5th-7th starter that teams chew through whenever roster crunches arise. 

[tmwiese55]

Yea of course Civale will be frustrated since he's generally been fine the last few weeks.  But he'll also get over it pretty soon as there's no way more injuries won't come and he'll be needed again to start.  If I had to guess I'd say he starts or is a 'bulk' guy before the end of the month.     That said, if you can find a competent 3b/ss for him right now you do it, the equivalent of a Dejong type last year, just baseline mediocrity nothing special. 

[LouisEly]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

Then he needs to be not happy with himself.  He pitched himself off the Ray's rotation with a 5 ERA, bounced back with the Brewers last year to look a bit more of the Cleveland version of himself...(heavily aided by our defense) than came back this year to look like the TB version. 

When you pitch below replacement level, expect to be replaced.

He's only had five starts this year, and a lot of that "below replacement level" was due to his first start of the year where he was pitching hurt/got hurt.

In the four games he's pitched since he's come back he has a 3.32 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 8.1 K/9, and 2.83 K/9, which isn't below replacement level.  His .764 OPS-A isn't great, but he's been a bit unlucky as his BAbip is .327, and .364 in his last start.

What we don't know is why he hasn't been allowed to throw more than 86 pitches.  His first start back was rushed as they needed a starter, which is why he threw only 73 pitches.  Is he still not 100%?  To me, it seems more about health than production.