Devers to Giants.

[sveumrules]

7 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

Yea and it will go down as the worst contract in history just like yelichs contract is the worst in brewers history devers still produces every year yelich hasn't done anything in 5 years thanks David stearns

Yelich's extension kicked in 2022, from 2022-24 he put up a 123 wRC+ and 8.9 WAR for $78M.

During the 2023 season teams paid around $10M per win at the top of the market.

By that math, Yelich's production exceeded his salary for the first three years of the extension.

These last four years could get ugly post-back surgery, but the degree to which Yelich's contract has been some kind of disaster or boat anchor to this point has been pretty overstated.

 

[Klantz27]

3 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Yelich has been producing for the past three years though.  With him being just as good as Devers in '23 

Yelich had close to 600 abs both those years and couldn't even hit 20 Homer's he was good during the juiced ball era never had stats comparable before that and he still had 2 years remaining before we extended him till age 36 knowing he has had nagging back problems since he was 20 imagine if we used that money to sign a real superstar at the time like bryce harper 

[Klantz27]

36 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Yelich's extension kicked in 2022, from 2022-24 he put up a 123 wRC+ and 8.9 WAR for $78M.

During the 2023 season teams paid around $10M per win at the top of the market.

By that math, Yelich's production exceeded his salary for the first three years of the extension.

These last four years could get ugly post-back surgery, but the degree to which Yelich's contract has been some kind of disaster or boat anchor to this point has been pretty overstated.

 

😂 laughable comparing big market to small market if you think yelichs 27 mil a year contract has somehow been beneficial to our 130 million payroll team youre just dumb or in denial what has yelich ever done in the playoffs? If we wouldnt of extended him so early and waited for his contract to run out after 2021 season would you then sign him to a 7 year 188 mil deal? No you wouldnt have neither would any other team

But it doesnt matter the Brewers goal isn't to win a world series its to provide a summer of entertainment what a bum organization

[torts]

37 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

 imagine if we used that money to sign a real superstar at the time like bryce harper 

[Klantz27]

1 minute ago, torts said:

Am I wrong? Wouldnt it of been nice to have the cheaper harper? Thats better in the regular season and atleast 20 times better in the postseason than yelich?

[sveumrules]

Just now, Klantz27 said:

Am I wrong? Wouldnt it of been nice to have the cheaper harper? Thats better in the regular season and atleast 20 times better in the postseason than yelich?

$330M is not cheaper than $188M dollars.

[wallus]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

$330M is not cheaper than $188M dollars.

[Klantz27]

2 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

$330M is not cheaper than $188M dollars.

27 million aav vs 25.4 aav lmao ill take Harper's extra 5 years 😂😂😂😂

[sveumrules]

8 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

27 million aav vs 25.4 aav lmao ill take Harper's extra 5 years 😂😂😂😂

Harper signed with Philly prior to 2019.

Even if the Brewers were in a position to beat their 13/330 offer, they already had Yelich, Cain and Braun under contract for about $45M total each of the next two seasons with no DH available.

I don't normally like to use words like "laughable" or "dumb" because they come across as overly dismissive, but the idea that the Brewers might have ever had a realistic chance at signing Bryce Harper seems a little far fetched to me. 

[Klantz27]

7 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

27 million aav vs 25.4 aav lmao ill take Harper's extra 5 years 😂😂😂😂

7 years vs 13 yelich is locked up till 36 harper 38 whose contract will be better by the end?

 

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

Harper signed with Philly prior to 2019.

Even if the Brewers were in a position to beat their 13/330 offer, they already had Yelich, Cain and Braun under contract for about $45M total each of the next two seasons with no DH available.

I don't normally like to use words like "laughable" or "dumb" because they come across as overly dismissive, but the idea that the Brewers might have ever had a realistic chance at signing Bryce Harper seems a little far fetched to 

Jesus ***** lorenzo Cain bring up another **** david Stearns contract you're right we probably didn't have a shot at Harper but I sure as hell would of taken him over yelich you guys are gonna sit here in denial and pretend yelich is good when that's just not the case you are all defending his contract when in reality its **** for the same money we could have a way better player and you guys just cant seem to get that through you're head

[wallus]

I for one believe the Brewers should have signed Aaron Judge. Full Stop.

[yfinn6]

4 minutes ago, wallus said:

I for one believe the Brewers should have signed Aaron Judge. Full Stop.

I agree. And Shohei. 

I don't get why people would rather have Caleb Durbin over Shohei Ohtani. 

DUMMIES. 

[Klantz27]

27 minutes ago, wallus said:

I for one believe the Brewers should have signed Aaron Judge. Full Stop.

You guys are joking like theres no way to fit that in the budget when there absolutely is the problem is the Brewers spend money like ******* we paid 7.5 million for miley 27 million for yelich last year to do nothing those 2 deals would almost cover judges aav alone

What about the 17.5 mil we are paying Woodruff to rehab with us then leave at the end of the year just stupid

[liveforoctober]

33 minutes ago, Klantz27 said:

You guys are joking like theres no way to fit that in the budget when there absolutely is the problem is the Brewers spend money like ******* we paid 7.5 million for miley 27 million for yelich last year to do nothing those 2 deals would almost cover judges aav alone

What about the 17.5 mil we are paying Woodruff to rehab with us then leave at the end of the year just stupid

If you could run your rants through Chat GPT and ask it to insert punctuation for the rest of us so we have an idea what you are talking about that would be super helpful. Thanks! Oh and we had no chance of signing Harper. He would have to agree to play here. Both parties get to decide where a player plays, not just the team offering the contract.

[BallFour]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

$330M is not cheaper than $188M dollars.

Not to mention 28 Million of that 188 Million is deferred whereas Bryce Harper got 20 Million in immediate signing bonuses.

[Jopal78]

58 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

If you could run your rants through Chat GPT and ask it to insert punctuation for the rest of us so we have an idea what you are talking about that would be super helpful. Thanks! Oh and we had no chance of signing Harper. He would have to agree to play here. Both parties get to decide where a player plays, not just the team offering the contract.

I don’t know about that; they play for money. As such players take the highest offer 95% of the time.

We arrive at the same conclusion just for different reasons.

[Team Canada]

2 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

You guys are joking like theres no way to fit that in the budget when there absolutely is the problem is the Brewers spend money like ******* we paid 7.5 million for miley 27 million for yelich last year to do nothing those 2 deals would almost cover judges aav alone

What about the 17.5 mil we are paying Woodruff to rehab with us then leave at the end of the year just stupid

If you're trigging the language filter, it means you need to be more thoughtful with your posts and find alternate ways to communicate your meaning. Your general tone also leaves a lot to be desired. We're trying for a different sort of tone and community here, so aligning with that would be appreciated.

[Bulldogboy]

I wonder if Giants trade Chapman now? They don't need to of course but if so hopefully Brewers would call. I remember the excitement of getting Yelich and Cain. I wish we could get back to that. 

[wiguy94]

10 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I wonder if Giants trade Chapman now? They don't need to of course but if so hopefully Brewers would call. I remember the excitement of getting Yelich and Cain. I wish we could get back to that. 

No chance. They traded for Devers because they are going all in on the present. They aren't going to follow that up by trading their best position player.

[nate82]

49 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I wonder if Giants trade Chapman now? They don't need to of course but if so hopefully Brewers would call. I remember the excitement of getting Yelich and Cain. I wish we could get back to that. 

Devers is a DH or 1B but mostly a DH.  Devers is not a 3B so no need to trade Chapman.  If anything they may trade one of their 1B or DH but not Chapman.  So Flores or someone like that would be who they would give up.  You may get them to listen on Schmitt but that is probably a Misio+ package or a Peralta plus something else package.  

[BrewerFan]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Yelich's extension kicked in 2022, from 2022-24 he put up a 123 wRC+ and 8.9 WAR for $78M.

During the 2023 season teams paid around $10M per win at the top of the market.

By that math, Yelich's production exceeded his salary for the first three years of the extension.

These last four years could get ugly post-back surgery, but the degree to which Yelich's contract has been some kind of disaster or boat anchor to this point has been pretty overstated.

 

The back surgery was about as mild of a back surgery as you could have. I think this is finally going to take care about his back issues. 

This is minimally invasive, it's actually a good long term fix and I think you can see it in his swinigng this year. 

I argued the same when he was struggling. He was swinging free and healthy. He's talked about being pain-free for the first time in a long time. This isn't a degenerative back issue. 

I think the issue over the next 4 years is...he'll just be 4 years older, but he's on pace for what, close to 30 HRs and he's been getting on base. 

 

6 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

Yelich had close to 600 abs both those years and couldn't even hit 20 Homer's he was good during the juiced ball era never had stats comparable before that and he still had 2 years remaining before we extended him till age 36 knowing he has had nagging back problems since he was 20 imagine if we used that money to sign a real superstar at the time like bryce harper 

LOL...oh, yeah! Just Bryce Harper! 

And he couldn't even hit 20 HRs!

You plays an inordinate amount of value on BA and HRs, don't you?

Well, that's good as Yelich is on pace for 31 HRs. 

I mean, I'd take that .909 OPS over a full year, but... at long as he hits...20 HRs!

Yelich over the last ~month, .368/.435/.671 1.106 OPS.

And the idea that the Brewers were going to sign Harper is laughable.

6 hours ago, Klantz27 said:

laughable comparing big market to small market if you think yelichs 27 mil a year contract has somehow been beneficial to our 130 million payroll team youre just dumb or in denial what has yelich ever done in the playoffs?

Umm...he was simply stating facts Kantz. That's...it. Juuust facts. Though, since you think it's "laughable," you think we should have signed Harper(who'd already been signed) when Yelich was coming off two MVP caliber seasons(he wins a 2nd without the Foul Ball). 

So it's kinda both sides of your mouth. It's "Sign Bryce Harper," and then it's the small market argument. 

 

It's also not 27M per year. 

It's 22M a year with money DEFERRED whereas Harper is getting 27.3M a year with Money up FRONT. You brought up small market, so surely you understand how deferred money is worth less than money up front, right?

[umphrey]

It’s interesting how different the reactions are here vs, general baseball fans or Sox/SF fans. There they just see a franchise player, top hitter in baseball, only age 28, getting moved for spare parts. Those markets don’t care much about the $30m/year as long as he hits. 

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, umphrey said:

It’s interesting how different the reactions are here vs, general baseball fans or Sox/SF fans.

I think we can all agree that the Brewers fans are just... better?

[homer]

2 hours ago, umphrey said:

It’s interesting how different the reactions are here vs, general baseball fans or Sox/SF fans. There they just see a franchise player, top hitter in baseball, only age 28, getting moved for spare parts. Those markets don’t care much about the $30m/year as long as he hits. 

I think for Boston fans, there's added resentment because of how things went with Mookie Betts who could hit and play great defense at multiple positions and they still let him walk.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I think for Boston fans, there's added resentment because of how things went with Mookie Betts who could hit and play great defense at multiple positions and they still let him walk.

I I think this whole boondoggle shows that Boston either didn’t know or didnt care about the make up of the player when they gave Devers the mega extension. 
 

He’s clearly not a team leader, or much of a team player. It’s their folly they didn’t figure that out before guaranteeing hundreds of millions of dollars, so when the situation becomes untenable they’re forced to give him away to one of the 5 or so team that can afford guarantee totaling hundreds of millions of dollars.

And youre right, handing Devers the extension was likely a byproduct of fan anger with trading Betts (an ultimate team player), and letting Bogaerts leave as a FA. 
 

It’s also worth noting by all accounts Yelich would prefer to play the outfield, but he has t made a public peep about being DH almost exclusively so far.