Other SS that we could overpay for.

[BrewersRice]

Are there other SSs that the Brewers could grab if they overpay? The Brewers have prospect capital and are a little overloaded in some spots. With the clearest upgrade being at SS, I believe there are more options out there even though they would be costly, from teams that are on the outside looking in for the playoff picture. These options would be costly, but in my opinion, worth it.  In order of how much trade capital, this would be how I would order them.

Perdomo - BTV of 40.0

CJ Abrams- 52

Z Neto - 72

Gunner Henderson- 79

Jacob Wilson - I think 90s - couldn't find it

 

The last 3 might never be considered, but it's an interesting exercise to consider it.  

If they go after a SS they would likely be trading Ortiz and Pratt unless it is a club like the Orioles that have Holiday as an option.  

If its a 3 way trade, we could also include those current MLB Arms like Quintana, Cortez, and even an OF like Perkins

Personally I would aim for CJ Abrams. He can stay in town after they play.

Nationals -

CJ Abrams 52 BTV

Brewers- Total of 57

Ortiz - 3? Not listed

Pratt - 29

Perkins- 5?

Henderson - 13, maybe substitute Myers/Patrick/Rodriguez?, or maybe if 3rd team, throw in Quintana, Cortez instead?

Bitonti - 7

I hate to say goodbye to 2 top 100 players.. What are your thoughts?

 

[jay87shot]

I would think Abrams would be possible after they fired there coach and gm. I doubt any of the others would be moved. I think the values of some of the prospects is a bit off. For me Ortiz should have like a 10 value, I get he has a negative WAR this year but is coming around offensively and I really haven't seen a reason for the negative fielding value.

I think the package would be something like Ortiz, Pratt, Henderson, and Wichrowski. I am sure there are lots of substitutions or additions that would work still maybe change Ortiz for a 3rd base prospect (preferably not Bitonti), or like you mentioned Patrick instead of Henderson or Myers or CarRod for Wichrowski swap, if you wanted to throwing Perkins that probably could work. That would be pretty close to what Boston gave up for Crochet (I now Abrams has more control).  

I would worry about how Abrams would fit with the team, he was suspended at the end of last year for staying out until like 3 o'clock gambling or something the night before a noon game. My guess is that isnt the first time that happened to get suspended. He does seem like a pretty good teammate other than that though.

 

[Mr Southpaw]

Don't sell Ortez low...

Abrams for Pratt and Quero.

We get a very good SS for 3 years relatively cheap until Made, Pena, Areinamo get to MKE with Durbin and  Ortez fighting it out at 3B.

I hate giving up two almost ready products, but that is the price you pay for going for it.

[JCREW]

I’d love to get Abrams. 
Pratt makes sense if they believe they can start to compete in 2027. 
But that also lowers the value of Myers and Patrick, since they’d already be hitting/close to Arby around that time. 
 

Pratt, Henderson, Wichrowski, Myers would hurt, but it would be dealing from our strengths while hanging on to Quero, Pena, and Made. 

[sveumrules]

Depending what the Brewers internal evals are they might not even view Abrams as a shortstop.

His -4 DRS isn’t too prohibitive, but his -30 FRV is eleven runs worse than the next worst SS since 2022 per StatCast’s calculations.

[liveforoctober]

The draft is this weekend and that can always play a factor.  If the Brewers get another young middle infielder early that needs to go to A or A+ ... That suddenly makes Josh Adamczewski and one of the untouchables... Touchable? Then a deal for a SS where we are sending middle infielders back is more viable.

Continue this piece of the convo next Monday...

[BrewersRice]

On 7/10/2025 at 7:20 PM, jay87shot said:

I would think Abrams would be possible after they fired there coach and gm. I doubt any of the others would be moved. I think the values of some of the prospects is a bit off. For me Ortiz should have like a 10 value, I get he has a negative WAR this year but is coming around offensively and I really haven't seen a reason for the negative fielding value.

I think the package would be something like Ortiz, Pratt, Henderson, and Wichrowski. I am sure there are lots of substitutions or additions that would work still maybe change Ortiz for a 3rd base prospect (preferably not Bitonti), or like you mentioned Patrick instead of Henderson or Myers or CarRod for Wichrowski swap, if you wanted to throwing Perkins that probably could work. That would be pretty close to what Boston gave up for Crochet (I now Abrams has more control).  

I would worry about how Abrams would fit with the team, he was suspended at the end of last year for staying out until like 3 o'clock gambling or something the night before a noon game. My guess is that isnt the first time that happened to get suspended. He does seem like a pretty good teammate other than that though.

 

I didn’t realize that part of history with Abrams. I feel like the brewers might not want to risk it then, but they might consider they have enough positive clubhouse leaders that could also help Abram’s make better decisions, which could mean he improves even more.

[BrewersRice]

On 7/10/2025 at 7:33 PM, Mr Southpaw said:

Don't sell Ortez low...

Abrams for Pratt and Quero.

We get a very good SS for 3 years relatively cheap until Made, Pena, Areinamo get to MKE with Durbin and  Ortez fighting it out at 3B.

I hate giving up two almost ready products, but that is the price you pay for going for it.

With Contreras getting expensive, I think Quero is the one untradeable guy they have.

[rickh150]

Quero isn’t going anywhere. 
I would do reverse trade of Cortes for Devin Williams.

SS is going to be tough to fill this year…even with overpaying.

 

[tmwiese55]

I was just thinking if they're actually going to go for a significant trade that Abrams should be the target due to the control.   I was about to look up the D stuff but someone here did it, I would think he could get shifted to 3B, Turang to SS.    But, we know how MKE values D so that might just immediately take him off the list especially considering it would be a significant cost to acquire.

[Guest]

Perdomo is really underrated, especially now that he's hitting for power.  Would love for it to happen but would be shocked as he just extended with the d-backs.

[Scooterfletcher]

I’d do Wichowski, Pratt, Harsden, and Boeve for Abrams.   Hang onto:

Made/Pena/Quero/Wilken/Adams/Payne/ Letson/Crow/Gasser/Yoho/Hunt at this deadline.   Pratt is on this list if we weren’t making this specific trade.

Plenty to deal from if you follow this guideline as we have Cortes, Quintana, Payamps,  Boeve, Black, Bitoni, Lara, Wichowski, Burke among others that can get us something nice or at least fill a decent sized hole on our roster. 

[brewcrewdue80]

I'm starting talks with the Angels giving up Ortiz, Yoho, and Pratt for Neto. They can find a pitcher to send too.  Henderson, Myers, or Priester.

[Brian]

4 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I'm starting talks with the Angels giving up Ortiz, Yoho, and Pratt for Neto. They can find a pitcher to send too.  Henderson, Myers, or Priester.

Zach Neto, a 24-year-old shortstop for the Los Angeles Angels, has shown significant progress in both his offensive and defensive game in recent seasons. 

 

Offense

• Power Surge: After a rough rookie season in 2023, Neto broke out in 2024 with a .761 OPS, 23 home runs, and 30 stolen bases, making him the first Angels shortstop with a 20-20 season.
• Continued Improvement in 2025: He has built upon that breakout, demonstrating even more power in 2025 with an improved slash line of .275/.320/.493 and 15 home runs in just 75 games played through July 12. His expected slugging (xSLG) ranks among the top players in baseball, highlighting his ability to make impactful contact.
• High Strikeout Rate: Neto's aggressive approach at the plate leads to a high strikeout rate (almost 30%) and a lower walk rate (4.6%), areas where he could improve. 

 

Defense

• Mixed Defensive Metrics: Defensive metrics offer conflicting views on Neto's fielding abilities.
  • Defensive Runs Saved (DRS) ranks him among the top shortstops in the league, suggesting he excels at making routine plays.
  • Outs Above Average (OAA), however, places him below average, indicating struggles with difficult plays.
• Potential for Growth: While there are debates about his range and whether he might be better suited for second base, Neto possesses plus arm strength and solid athleticism, suggesting potential for further development at shortstop. He has also been an aggressive and successful baserunner throughout his career. 

 

Overall assessment

Zach Neto is a promising young player who has made significant strides offensively, particularly in power hitting, and is becoming a key player for the Angels. His defensive metrics are mixed, highlighting areas for continued improvement, but his athleticism and arm strength suggest he can develop into a solid defender at shortstop. If Neto can refine his plate discipline and continue to develop defensively, he has the potential to become one of the top shortstops in baseball. 

 

[JCREW]

7 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I'm starting talks with the Angels giving up Ortiz, Yoho, and Pratt for Neto. They can find a pitcher to send too.  Henderson, Myers, or Priester.

Ooooh… I like that. 
Which probably means the Angels don’t. But I think it has legs. 

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, JCREW said:

Ooooh… I like that. 
Which probably means the Angels don’t. But I think it has legs. 

Thank you. I didn't study the contract situations they have but just now looking: Angels have only had 5 Starters starting games this season. 😲, Tyler Anderson and Kenley Jenson are FAs after this season.  So giving 1 of the mid rotation starters could help an Anderson trade. Jansen the same for Yoho.  Ortiz would be a buy low/placemat til Pratt was fully ready(ideally this time next year).   Angels send Ortiz in a future trade .

 

Neto sounds like a better Adames SS bat. 25-30HRs yearly.  Of course you can trade him again to return some of what it cost to get him. 4 years? Of team control. I might be low on the offer depending which pitcher you'd send.

[BrewCrew8675309]

20 hours ago, JCREW said:

Ooooh… I like that. 
Which probably means the Angels don’t. But I think it has legs. 

LAA are absolutely buggered in the minors. They would jump at any chance to shave a bit of cream off the top of MKE's great system. This might be the way but offer prospects across all levels of the minors...and keep the pitching at home. Any fair value combination of JQuintana (inf), Pratt, TBlack, or Yoho plus a comp pick. 

[BrewersRice]

Neto would be a great pick. I believe he would cost a lot more than what most have listed. BTV has him @72

So that is one issue. I also wonder if their seeming strategy of finding batters that work counts and don’t strike out much, if it’s kind of a strategy that works best if they are all in on it. As it really makes the pitcher work. If so, I believe Perdomo is a better fit.  Personally I think there is room for a high k% guy with some slugging power.  
 

 

[sveumrules]

Angels aren't trading Neto.

They need him to finish with 80 wins or fewer for the 9th straight season while running a Top Ten payroll eight of those nine seasons.

[Mr Southpaw]

Brewers get   Neto

Angels get  Ortiz, Perkins/Mitchell, Pratt, Adams/Boeve, Black/Wilken, C. Rodriquez.

A short and long term replacement at SS, a MLB Speedy CF, two corner infielder with power and a MLB ready pitcher.  ?????

[wallus]

If you are going to "overpay" for a SS, get a really good one. 

Brewers: Henderson (BTV: 73.8)

Orioles: Made (BTV: 68.1) and Quero (BTV: 24.1)

First of all, the Orioles probably don't want to move him, sure. They also may prefer Pratt over Quero and that is fine with me here.

Either way, Made would be the obvious headliner as prospects rated that high rarely get moved. Switching out Henderson for Ortiz would have such a huge bump in our lineup. 

[Madhawk23]

I’m sorry, but I have a hard time seeing any deal for Abrams or Neto without either Made or Pena going back as the headliner in the prospect package. I’d guess it would have to look like Made, Quero, Hendu and maybe a guy in the 20-30 range of our system. A deal for either of those guys would have to hurt a lot for the Nats or Angels to even consider. 

[StearnsFTW]

On 7/10/2025 at 10:02 AM, sveumrules said:

Depending what the Brewers internal evals are they might not even view Abrams as a shortstop.

His -4 DRS isn’t too prohibitive, but his -30 FRV is eleven runs worse than the next worst SS since 2022 per StatCast’s calculations.

Nvm.

 

All been covered 

[BallFour]

My choice would be Otto Lopez from the Marlins. 4.5 years of control. Good defensive metrics for both oaa and drs. Doesn’t strike out a ton. Seems like a brewer to me. 
 

I know the whole point of this exercise is to raise the ceiling of the team but I just want competency. 

[JCREW]

On 7/14/2025 at 8:12 PM, BallFour said:

My choice would be Otto Lopez from the Marlins. 4.5 years of control. Good defensive metrics for both oaa and drs. Doesn’t strike out a ton. Seems like a brewer to me. 
 

I know the whole point of this exercise is to raise the ceiling of the team but I just want competency. 

I hadn't checked this forum in a couple days, and saw Lopez's stat lines, and came over here to suggest him.  

I wonder what Miami actually imagines as their competitive window right now. They seem adrift, but slightly less so than the Rockies. Both of those franchises are up against some big spenders (LAD, SFG, SDP, NYM, PHI) at the top of their divisions, so they really have to stack the farm to make a run at it. 

Lopez for Pratt + Wichrowski + another 40FV prospect?