What could Freddy Peralta fetch in a trade?

[brewcrewdue80]

13 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Which recent big trade(s) turned out poorly for the Brewers?

Hader, Burnes and Williams potentially.  I'm not sold on Durbin who easily could have just had himself an Ortiz 1st year and he craters below a 650 OPS.  

[gregmag]

14 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Hader, Burnes and Williams potentially.  I'm not sold on Durbin who easily could have just had himself an Ortiz 1st year and he craters below a 650 OPS.  

If Thanos infinity-gauntlets Durbin tomorrow, we still won the Williams trade. We’ve already gotten more value than we gave up in the Burnes trade. I’m not going to relitigate the Hader trade for the 217th time, so I’ll just say that I view Contreras as part of that trade yield. We could not have extended any of those guys, given how Mark A. chooses to operate. We had no problem replacing any of their contributions. If we get the same quality of result from a Peralta trade, I’ll be very happy.

[Matt]

1 hour ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I dont get throwing in Megill with any Peralta trade. Trade 2 best players in the trade?  Recent big trade history is poor imo. We'd get fleeced.

I think dealing any relief pitcher is a good idea if it means we're getting extra value. 

[sveumrules]

5 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Hader, Burnes and Williams potentially.  I'm not sold on Durbin who easily could have just had himself an Ortiz 1st year and he craters below a 650 OPS.  

Williams potentially? Devin put up a 4.79 ERA | -0.7 rWAR | +0.08 WPA last year with the Yankees. Durbin notched 2.6 WAR and we still have another five or six years of team control remaining.

Burnes (4.5 rWAR in his lone season with the Orioles) is at least kinda close with Ortiz (4.5 WAR) and Hall (0.6 rWAR) just barely ahead to this point (nevermind Blake Burke), but again they have eight combined years of team control remaining to keep building on that already positive margin.

The Hader trade set back the organization so far that they've won the division all three seasons since the trade (by a combined 24 games) while winning the 2nd most games in MLB over the last three years.

[brewcrewdue80]

I think its laughable to call out Williams poor season having to pitch in NY. Goes from the smallest market to biggest.  Replacement level players are -1 WAR to +1 WAR. Expectation.  

309 XOB 355 XSlg.  Thats a 664 OPS. Inside Durbins bat.  Ortiz in 24 at 647 X OPS.

 

I disagree on winning trades due to team control length. You trade top 5 SP at the time and a top 5 RP prior to the season Hader was having and you get 0 upside back? Just team control as your win? Williams at his trade was top 5 RP as well.  

Spin the Hader trade all you want due to Ruiz for Contreras. That is a separate trade.  3 big trades and team control is whats winning them.  Peralta isnt a top 5, maybe around 20-25? But his contract situation has to elevate him to top 10.  The minors for Milwaukee is stacked. Team control is a lie if Made replaces Ortiz in 26 or to start 27.  If Durbin is replaced by any number of the 3b prospects team control again a lie.  

 

 

[Outlander]

Spin it all you want with hindsight career productivity but Ruiz was highly sought after as evidenced by getting Contreras, the return was great but killed the season.

[wallus]

Spin these trades however you want yet we keep winning.....

[Spencer Michaelis]

FWIW, and you can certainly agree or disagree with this general strategy, I have it on good authority that the Brewers took Ruiz in the deal mainly as a trade piece of their own. They were even trying to flip him that same day. The plan was always to use him as a chip because they knew certain teams were very high on him (much like Lewis Brinson back in the day, some teams viewed them as legit top 20 prospects in baseball, some viewed them as fringy big leaguers at best).

I don't think they expected Contreras specifically to come of it, but the whole thing wasn't dropped into their lap out of pure luck either.

[sveumrules]

6 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I disagree on winning trades due to team control length...Team control is a lie if Made replaces Ortiz in 26 or to start 27.  If Durbin is replaced by any number of the 3b prospects team control again a lie.  

The Brewers have won those trades on production from the players involved, all the team control is just a cherry on top.

Burnes (4.5 rWAR), Williams (-0.7 rWAR) and Hader (1.8 rWAR) combined for 5.6 WAR for their acquiring teams after being traded by the Brewers.

Even if you don't want to count Contreras (15.0 WAR) and Payamps (2.2 rWAR) as part of the Hader trade we have still received 4.5 WAR from Ortiz, 2.6 WAR from Durbin, 0.7 rWAR for Gasser and 0.6 rWAR from Hall for 8.4 WAR to this point.

All that remaining team control allows them to continue building on those couple two tree wins the Brewers are already ahead by, or if Ortiz/Durbin are pushed for their starting spots over the next couple years they can be traded for more players with full team control remaining that will have opportunities to keep the cycle going.

The Brewers have been trading for team control to the tune of 160 some wins gained over the last decade since Stearns/Arnold arrived, it's kind of their methodology.

[Mr Southpaw]

51 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers have won those trades on production from the players involved, all the team control is just a cherry on top.

Burnes (4.5 rWAR), Williams (-0.7 rWAR) and Hader (1.8 rWAR) combined for 5.6 WAR for their acquiring teams after being traded by the Brewers.

Even if you don't want to count Contreras (15.0 WAR) and Payamps (2.2 rWAR) as part of the Hader trade we have still received 4.5 WAR from Ortiz, 2.6 WAR from Durbin, 0.7 rWAR for Gasser and 0.6 rWAR from Hall for 8.4 WAR to this point.

All that remaining team control allows them to continue building on those couple two tree wins the Brewers are already ahead by, or if Ortiz/Durbin are pushed for their starting spots over the next couple years they can be traded for more players with full team control remaining that will have opportunities to keep the cycle going.

The Brewers have been trading for team control to the tune of 160 some wins gained over the last decade since Stearns/Arnold arrived, it's kind of their methodology.

Just a note. Baltimore received a comp pic for Corbin Burns, and whatever that person does in the future needs to be put into the calculation. I don’t believe Williams contract will give the Yankees comp pick.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Mr Southpaw said:

Just a note. Baltimore received a comp pic for Corbin Burns, and whatever that person does in the future needs to be put into the calculation. I don’t believe Williams contract will give the Yankees comp pick.

Correct. Yankees won’t get a comp pick because they didn’t give Devin a QO.

[jay87shot]

18 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

I dont get throwing in Megill with any Peralta trade. Trade 2 best players in the trade?  Recent big trade history is poor imo. We'd get fleeced.

The only reason you would do that is if there is a top end prospect/player that a team wouldn't give up for 1 year of Freddy. So if the team really want Jasson Dominguez and the Yanks wouldn't do Dominguez for Freddy but they would do Dominguez (and more) for Freddy and Megill. 

I would still agree with you not to give up both in that curricumstance and add a prospect or less integral player to unlock a higher end desired player.

[sveumrules]

19 minutes ago, Mr Southpaw said:

Just a note. Baltimore received a comp pic for Corbin Burns, and whatever that person does in the future needs to be put into the calculation.

Fur sure, the Brewers received a comp pick as well in the deal and used it on Blake Burke who finished the season on a tear at AA.

Looks like the Orioles used the Burnes comp pick on catcher Caden Bodine out of Coastal Carolina, who they have since flipped to TBR along with three other prospects and another comp pick for Shane Baz. 

[Mr Southpaw]

37 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Fur sure, the Brewers received a comp pick as well in the deal and used it on Blake Burke who finished the season on a tear at AA.

Looks like the Orioles used the Burnes comp pick on catcher Caden Bodine out of Coastal Carolina, who they have since flipped to TBR along with three other prospects and another comp pick for Shane Baz. 

That’s why judging trades overtime is such a hard thing to do. How do you judge 1/4 of Shane Baz overtime? Sometimes it just gets a little ridiculous.

[jay87shot]

22 hours ago, DR28 said:

Ken Rosenthal excepts us to trade Peralta and said we'll get in excess of what we acquired for Burnes.

I have said this before, I am ok with trading Freddy if the price is right. I would be pretty happy if we could beat the Burnes return, especially if at least 1 of the players can be a young guy who can contribute in the OF, rotation, or maybe IF right away. Obviously who that return is exactly would make a difference. With the giant return Shane Baz got I do feel like we can get an overpay for Freddy. Let's no forget that before last year Freddy has been an inconsistent #3 starter except for 2021 so to get ace value with 1 year of control left would be a good get, especially with the depth and upside of the rest of our rotation.

[brewcrewdue80]

2 hours ago, jay87shot said:

The only reason you would do that is if there is a top end prospect/player that a team wouldn't give up for 1 year of Freddy. So if the team really want Jasson Dominguez and the Yanks wouldn't do Dominguez for Freddy but they would do Dominguez (and more) for Freddy and Megill. 

I would still agree with you not to give up both in that curricumstance and add a prospect or less integral player to unlock a higher end desired player.

Dominguez at 5-9 also below 700 expected OPS.  The last 2 seasons show he is a massive negative runs towards range ability. We already have him in Tyler Black for the OF.

Think Dominguez hype was maturing and growing probably closer to 6ft.  5-9 and negative range is a huge pass.

[Jopal78]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

The Brewers have won those trades on production from the players involved, all the team control is just a cherry on top.

Burnes (4.5 rWAR), Williams (-0.7 rWAR) and Hader (1.8 rWAR) combined for 5.6 WAR for their acquiring teams after being traded by the Brewers.

Even if you don't want to count Contreras (15.0 WAR) and Payamps (2.2 rWAR) as part of the Hader trade we have still received 4.5 WAR from Ortiz, 2.6 WAR from Durbin, 0.7 rWAR for Gasser and 0.6 rWAR from Hall for 8.4 WAR to this point.

All that remaining team control allows them to continue building on those couple two tree wins the Brewers are already ahead by, or if Ortiz/Durbin are pushed for their starting spots over the next couple years they can be traded for more players with full team control remaining that will have opportunities to keep the cycle going.

The Brewers have been trading for team control to the tune of 160 some wins gained over the last decade since Stearns/Arnold arrived, it's kind of their methodology.

Is there anything more subjective than claiming somebody “won a trade“? 

As bit players in free agency, the last five years or so, trading veterans with expiring team control for less experiencd players with more control,  is the Brewers’ methodology to augment their existing talent level.
 

Sometimes the acquired talent works out, others it doesn’t. But when no realistic option exists for the front office to keep Hader, Burnes, Williams etc., it’s kind of hard to “lose” a trade when the objective was to move the veteran with expiring team control. 
 

Even with Ruiz for Contreras and Yeager. Even if Contreras had flopped, the objective was to move an OFer where Milwaukee was flush, for a catcher where they did not have a player in the organization with everyday starting talent. 
 

[CheeseheadInQC]

I am weirdly a Domínguez skeptic, even given that I look at age a fair amount for hitters. While they eventually warmed a bit to him, I know Fangraphs was lower than most on him early on because even at 16, he was close to physically maxed out unless, as someone said, he got taller.

[Matt]

If Dominguez had already reached the sky high potential he has, he wouldn't potentially be available for one year of Freddy. There's definitely some risk there, and he is a corner OF only, but I think he's work taking that flyer on. 

[gregmag]

2 hours ago, Mr Southpaw said:

That’s why judging trades overtime is such a hard thing to do. How do you judge 1/4 of Shane Baz overtime? Sometimes it just gets a little ridiculous.

I would just call the comp picks a wash. The Brewers IIRC wanted the comp pick in the Burnes deal to make up for the one they’d have gotten if they kept Burnes. If anything, they added a bit of value by pushing the comp pick up a year.

[endaround]

1 hour ago, jay87shot said:

I have said this before, I am ok with trading Freddy if the price is right. I would be pretty happy if we could beat the Burnes return, especially if at least 1 of the players can be a young guy who can contribute in the OF, rotation, or maybe IF right away. Obviously who that return is exactly would make a difference. With the giant return Shane Baz got I do feel like we can get an overpay for Freddy. Let's no forget that before last year Freddy has been an inconsistent #3 starter except for 2021 so to get ace value with 1 year of control left would be a good get, especially with the depth and upside of the rest of our rotation.

I just don't see the Baz trade as a giant return, and instead the cost pretty much in line with his expected value versus salary.

The big issue with trading Peraltla for the Brewers is that he can easily be projected to give you 32 starts. Every other starter has serious question marks.  Woodruff has made 30 starts once 5 years ago and has missed time since. Priester had a large increase in workload last year compared to 2024. It is inline with what he did in 2023, but that was mostly AAA innings. Henderson is coming off injury and only 100 innings of work,  Gasser hardly pitched last year. Misiorowski is probably fine but coming off a large workload increase.  Patrick also had a sizeable workload increase.  Not saying something bad is going to happen, just that the Brewers don't have a guy that provides the stability that Peralta has provided over the last 3 years. (Now watch him run into some salad tongs).

[BrewCrew8675309]

4 hours ago, endaround said:

I just don't see the Baz trade as a giant return, and instead the cost pretty much in line with his expected value versus salary.

The big issue with trading Peraltla for the Brewers is that he can easily be projected to give you 32 starts. Every other starter has serious question marks.  Woodruff has made 30 starts once 5 years ago and has missed time since. Priester had a large increase in workload last year compared to 2024. It is inline with what he did in 2023, but that was mostly AAA innings. Henderson is coming off injury and only 100 innings of work,  Gasser hardly pitched last year. Misiorowski is probably fine but coming off a large workload increase.  Patrick also had a sizeable workload increase.  Not saying something bad is going to happen, just that the Brewers don't have a guy that provides the stability that Peralta has provided over the last 3 years. (Now watch him run into some salad tongs).

 

[BrewCrew8675309]

Burnes was also highly reliable for 32-ish starts a year until it wasn't in Arizona. We don't know when wear and tear impacts the shoulders or ligaments or elbows on these guys. I'm just glad we have the depth we have going into 2026.

[BrewCrew8675309]

So the Cubs just traded for Cabrera.

 

With what the Cubs gave up, how do you think this impacts any potential Peralta deal in your mind? Does it give us a little clearer vision on the landscape of what it would take to move Peralta?

[Glenn Braggs Bat]

As much as I enjoy Freddy being a Brewer, i do believe that ultimately the Mets will meet their asking price due to the fact that their rotation as it stands needs another proven/durable starter to pair with Manaea, Senga and their other highly thought of youthful starters.  They would be an ideal match in my opinion.  Any chance we could land a package close to Jett Williams, one of (Watson/Wenninger/Santucci) and possibly Kussow? This helps us now with another super utility (2b, SS, OF and well rounded hitter) to help protect against injury or regression this year.  A possible mid rotation starter option a year or so away and a high potential, and local lottery ticket pitcher to work with.