Harrison Extension

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

Alright gents, I’m sold.  Looks like we have four more years of control after 2026.  Any possibility we could sign Kyle to an extension that gives him security in exchange for maybe buying out 2 years of FA?

that would make him 30 at the end of a 6 year deal.   He did have a $2.5 million signing bonus from the Giants back in 2020, so that maybe works against us, but would love to lock him and Miz up together for the next 5-6 years.

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

Alright gents, I’m sold.  Looks like we have four more years of control after 2026.  Any possibility we could sign Kyle to an extension that gives him security in exchange for maybe buying out 2 years of FA?

that would make him 30 at the end of a 6 year deal.   He did have a $2.5 million signing bonus from the Giants back in 2020, so that maybe works against us, but would love to lock him and Miz up together for the next 5-6 years.

You can sign any player to an extension if you’re willing to pay them what they want.

[liveforoctober]

First Arnold, then Hook, then Jim Henderson.

.. and truthfully as much as I am enjoying Harrison, with the way the Brewers are uncovering these guys we will just trade Harrison in 3 years for 3 more Harrisons.

[Outlander]

Harrison isn't another Priester type that can be easily replaced by doing what the Brewers do. Harrison is basically a Sabathia replacement and that took about 20 years. Would be all for trying to buy out a couple of years of free agency, maybe a chance since there is one more cheap year in 2027.

[BrewerFan]

10 hours ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

Alright gents, I’m sold.  Looks like we have four more years of control after 2026.  Any possibility we could sign Kyle to an extension that gives him security in exchange for maybe buying out 2 years of FA?

that would make him 30 at the end of a 6 year deal.   He did have a $2.5 million signing bonus from the Giants back in 2020, so that maybe works against us, but would love to lock him and Miz up together for the next 5-6 years.

I'd be willing to do the following;

Harrison 7 years 55M 2 TOs 22M
Sproat 8 years 45M TO at 14
Uribe 7 years 34M 1 TO at 12M

Misiorowksi 8 years 140M 1 TO at 40M

All distant 2nd to Made at 8 years 130M 2TO at 30M each year maybe 5M buyout?

 

[BrewerFan]

8 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

First Arnold, then Hook, then Jim Henderson.

.. and truthfully as much as I am enjoying Harrison, with the way the Brewers are uncovering these guys we will just trade Harrison in 3 years for 3 more Harrisons.

We're REALLY taking for granted how easy it is to find top of the rotation arms.

On the other thread about extending players, someone talked about how we could just trade Mis and then "find the next star pitcher. 

Why WOULDN'T you want to sign a guy like Harrison? He's a bulldog with REALLY good stuff. 

You're more likely to get a DL Hall or a Drohan(who is a very nice pitcher). 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

I'd be willing to do the following;

Harrison 7 years 55M 2 TOs 22M
Sproat 8 years 45M TO at 14
Uribe 7 years 34M 1 TO at 12M

Misiorowksi 8 years 140M 1 TO at 40M

All distant 2nd to Made at 8 years 130M 2TO at 30M each year maybe 5M buyout?

 

Harrison only has 4 years of team control left after this year, or are you saying that we’d give him a boost immediately this season?

if he continues this trajectory, he’s probably looking at:

2027:  $1M

2028:  $5M arby 1

2029: $10m arby 2

2030 $20m arby 3

i would think we’d need to go 30/30 for the FA years to get him interested…

so that would be 6/96 at a minimum IMO

i’d put my priority for extensions:

1) Made 2) Harrison 3) Patrick… I’d also love one with Miz, Wild Bill, and Turang, but those opportunities have probably passed

[liveforoctober]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

We're REALLY taking for granted how easy it is to find top of the rotation arms.

On the other thread about extending players, someone talked about how we could just trade Mis and then "find the next star pitcher. 

Why WOULDN'T you want to sign a guy like Harrison? He's a bulldog with REALLY good stuff. 

You're more likely to get a DL Hall or a Drohan(who is a very nice pitcher). 

I know, it was tongue in cheek. I should have put it in blue. I don't actually think we will grab three year 1 Cy Young candidates in every trade.

[Jopal78]

Were there posts for a Priester extension? Brewers certainly dodged a bullet there.

Pre-arbitration extensions with pitchers are difficult to attain because of the exploding salary structure for starting pitching and teams also needing to protect themselves from injury risk. 
 

As fans, I think everyone would like to see Harrison and Misiorowski head the rotation for many years to come, but is very unlikely that either get extended.

[jay87shot]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Were there posts for a Priester extension? Brewers certainly dodged a bullet there.

Pre-arbitration extensions with pitchers are difficult to attain because of the exploding salary structure for starting pitching and teams also needing to protect themselves from injury risk. 
 

As fans, I think everyone would like to see Harrison and Misiorowski head the rotation for many years to come, but is very unlikely that either get extended.

I feel like there were plenty of posts about try to get Preister to sign a Freddy/Ashby extension but not much about signing him to big free agent year at 20+ million. His strikeout rates weren't good enough that anyone was willing to go big for him. 

I think in general it seems like the front office strategy is not to pay pitchers long term. I don't mind that one bit especially given how important every dollar is. Just think about what we could do at the trade deadline if we weren't paying Woody this year.

[wallus]

The time for an extension was before the season. His price has likely gone up dramatically 

[igor67]

Woody is a solid data point for what a typical pitching career looks like anymore. I'd be willing to explore something with Harrison because with him having a bit more experience you might have a better sense of what he can handle as a workload. And maybe if you run the numbers because it took him awhile to have success he might find a price point where he'll take some more money now, buyout maybe 1 FA year and get some solid certainty, while still having a chance to sign a big contract later if things go well.

[sveumrules]

So far this year Misio is at 178 K+ | 88 BB+ | 59 HR+ | 47 ERA- | 53 FIP-.

After last night Kyle is at 146 K+ | 83 BB+ | 56 HR+ | 44 ERA- | 61 FIP-.

Truly insane stuff. 

Ashby in his Age 28 season is the Old Man of all the Young Guns, so using that as the cutoff Brewers pitchers age 28 and younger this year have 332 IP (2nd in MLB) with a 74 ERA- (2nd) and 79 FIP- (3rd). The teams with better ERA- and FIP- have 127 and 155 IP respectively. The Brewers 7.5 rWAR and 6.5 fWAR from pitchers age 28 and under are both tops in MLB a full win ahead of CLE in second.

Anyway, would imagine any extension offer for Kyle would have to exceed Spencer Strider's six years $75M signed all the way back in 2022 so probably would take something like $100M at this point with four years of MLB inflation.

When Spencer signed he had just posted 131 IP of 169 K+ | 103 BB+ | 43 HR+ | 65 ERA- | 48 FIP-.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

We got a top of the rotation talent arm and then some for 3 UT players. Just an insane development. And if/when command comes Sproat has all the potential in the world as well. 

[Dragonbait]

At the rate of success we are having, you really think guys who used to have high draft/prospect status and haven't gotten it right, would be demanding trades to MIL to get fixed.

 

We cant keep getting away with it!

 

 

[Samurai Bucky]

I think the main goal of the organization is to have solid talent on the bump.  That is why they need to keep Chris Hook, too.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, TwinsBrewersWorldSeries said:

Harrison only has 4 years of team control left after this year, or are you saying that we’d give him a boost immediately this season?

if he continues this trajectory, he’s probably looking at:

2027:  $1M

2028:  $5M arby 1

2029: $10m arby 2

2030 $20m arby 3

i would think we’d need to go 30/30 for the FA years to get him interested…

so that would be 6/96 at a minimum IMO

i’d put my priority for extensions:

1) Made 2) Harrison 3) Patrick… I’d also love one with Miz, Wild Bill, and Turang, but those opportunities have probably passed

"Only?" We're only 1/3rd of the way into the year and this is the first stretch he's really pithed well. 

I wouldn't go 6/96 for him, or giving him 30M for the two FA years almost 6 and 7 years from now. You're probably closer to Misiorowski's price range to add a couple TOs and if the choice is between the two, it's an easy one for me. 

I like Harrison, but that's a bit much. 
As for Patrick... I actually think he IS a bit more replaceable. Actually... a lot more replaceable. I'm not all that impressed with him this year as he looks like his stuff isn't as good as it was late last year(the post-season in particular).


I'd... again, just pass and go with Sproat at a more team friendly deal as I think he's still ascending. We're seeing it, but it's just not all put together yet. 

 

 

5 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

I know, it was tongue in cheek. I should have put it in blue. I don't actually think we will grab three year 1 Cy Young candidates in every trade.

Yeah, I didn't... think you meant we'd be getting a Cy Young Caliber pitcher in the first year(much less 3 of them). 

But Hall was of similar value to Harrison when we acquired him. I'd like to see us keeping a young arm around. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

6 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

"Only?" We're only 1/3rd of the way into the year and this is the first stretch he's really pithed well. 

I wouldn't go 6/96 for him, or giving him 30M for the two FA years almost 6 and 7 years from now. You're probably closer to Misiorowski's price range to add a couple TOs and if the choice is between the two, it's an easy one for me. 

I like Harrison, but that's a bit much. 
As for Patrick... I actually think he IS a bit more replaceable. Actually... a lot more replaceable. I'm not all that impressed with him this year as he looks like his stuff isn't as good as it was late last year(the post-season in particular).


I'd... again, just pass and go with Sproat at a more team friendly deal as I think he's still ascending. We're seeing it, but it's just not all put together yet. 

 

 

Yeah, I didn't... think you meant we'd be getting a Cy Young Caliber pitcher in the first year(much less 3 of them). 

But Hall was of similar value to Harrison when we acquired him. I'd like to see us keeping a young arm around. 

Sproat?  I love the potential, but he hasn’t shown anything yet.  The guy has an ERA pushing 6 (I realize ERA is not the end all be all)

I think you’re underselling Patrick.  The guy has been lights out this season.

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Samurai Bucky said:

I think the main goal of the organization is to have solid talent on the bump.  That is why they need to keep Chris Hook, too.

I do agree that the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook but I remember when people were saying similar things about Derek Johnson. I have a feeling if Hook were to eventually leave that Henderson would slot in and keep things churning. Brewers have lost quite a bit over the last few years from their FO and coaching staff and have seamlessly replaced pretty much every person to leave. It's funny because the guy they have seemingly struggled the most to replace is Quintin Berry with our baserunning and OF defense not being as sharp as it was when Berry was here.

[owbc]

30 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I do agree that the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook but I remember when people were saying similar things about Derek Johnson. I have a feeling if Hook were to eventually leave that Henderson would slot in and keep things churning. Brewers have lost quite a bit over the last few years from their FO and coaching staff and have seamlessly replaced pretty much every person to leave. It's funny because the guy they have seemingly struggled the most to replace is Quintin Berry with our baserunning and OF defense not being as sharp as it was when Berry was here.

It starts and ends with Attanasio and Arnold. The organization is stronger than any one individual. 

Not everyone is replaceable though! If there are FO analysis or coaches that are valuable, we need to pay and promote them. That's where I would spend the money. Same goes for talent on the field -- there are some guys that are worth paying for. Maybe that is Miz or Harrison, maybe it isn't. Depends on the price I'm sure! 
 

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I feel like there were plenty of posts about try to get Preister to sign

Yeah, there was discussions of Priester... I'm also not sure what the point is.

There's been less discussion about signing Frelick vs Turang also. It's... pretty reasonable to want to sign the BETTER player(s).

Priester looked very good and... it's kinda silly the same person who was saying we need to... slow down on Misiorowski earlier this year is saying we "dodged a bullet," by not signing Preister. It's entirely premature to make any declaration about im. It certainly didn't 'dodge a bullet' by signing Ashby.

But, the larger point, he was never going to cost as much as Harrison(or Misiorowski) because... he didn't perform as well as they had. He wasn't as dominant as they've been. 

Eh, anyway...

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

When Spencer signed he had just posted 131 IP of 169 K+ | 103 BB+ | 43 HR+ | 65 ERA- | 48 FIP-.

Strider has also pitched a full year with a 1.83 FIP(well, ~135 innings) and was a two years younger, and maintained a similar walk rate, but had a higher K rate.

I'm not sure Harrison would be viewed at... valuable as Strider would have at the time he signed a... record breaking deal for a pre-arby pitcher. 

Again, if it would take that much more to sign Harrison than Strider, I'd pass. Or at least wait until after a full season. Harrison has been about a league average pitcher thus far in his career, but you'd be signing him at the top of his value after 9 starts. 9 really good starts, but still, 9 starts and paying him top dollar. 

 

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, owbc said:

It starts and ends with Attanasio and Arnold. The organization is stronger than any one individual. 

Not everyone is replaceable though! If there are FO analysis or coaches that are valuable, we need to pay and promote them. That's where I would spend the money. Same goes for talent on the field -- there are some guys that are worth paying for. Maybe that is Miz or Harrison, maybe it isn't. Depends on the price I'm sure! 
 

Oh I completely agree with that which is why I started with the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook. Just because you have done a great job replacing staff and management that have left doesn't mean you should take your current staff/management for granted.

[homer]

6 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Oh I completely agree with that which is why I started with the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook. Just because you have done a great job replacing staff and management that have left doesn't mean you should take your current staff/management for granted.

No disrespect to Hook and I hope to hell we keep him but I guess we don't know how much is Hook and how much is the org. Remember when the pitching coach left for the Reds? The sky was falling that day. I can't even remember the guy's name now. 

 

edit: His name was Derek Johnson. His name was Derek Johnson. His name was Derek Johnson.

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, homer said:

No disrespect to Hook and I hope to hell we keep him but I guess we don't know how much is Hook and how much is the org. Remember when the pitching coach left for the Reds? The sky was falling that day. I can't even remember the guy's name now. 

 

edit: His name was Derek Johnson. His name was Derek Johnson. His name was Derek Johnson.

Feel like you missed my first comment because that was what I was talking about haha.

"I do agree that the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook but I remember when people were saying similar things about Derek Johnson. I have a feeling if Hook were to eventually leave that Henderson would slot in and keep things churning. Brewers have lost quite a bit over the last few years from their FO and coaching staff and have seamlessly replaced pretty much every person to leave. It's funny because the guy they have seemingly struggled the most to replace is Quintin Berry with our baserunning and OF defense not being as sharp as it was when Berry was here."

[homer]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Feel like you missed my first comment because that was what I was talking about haha.

"I do agree that the Brewers should do everything they can to keep Hook but I remember when people were saying similar things about Derek Johnson. I have a feeling if Hook were to eventually leave that Henderson would slot in and keep things churning. Brewers have lost quite a bit over the last few years from their FO and coaching staff and have seamlessly replaced pretty much every person to leave. It's funny because the guy they have seemingly struggled the most to replace is Quintin Berry with our baserunning and OF defense not being as sharp as it was when Berry was here."

Derp. My bad!