Cardinals (Liberatore) vs Brewers (Misiorowski): 5/25/26, 1:10pm

[willie key]

That last curve ball by Miz was ridiculous 

 

maybe Arnold doesn’t want our minor leaguers ti be exposed  so he can get good trade value?     

[edfunderburk]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Xavier Edwards or Otto Lopez of the Marlins were rumored last year and either would still make a fantastic addition now.

Why wouldn’t we give our top prospects a chance rather than trade one or more for an “okay” MLB player like Edwards or Lopez?

[wiguy94]

This thread is kind of unbelievable. Brewers have a dominant win on the back of Misiorowski throwing another dominant start to extend the division lead to 2.5 and push the team to 11 games over .500 and like 40% of the comments are complaining about Perkins who even after an 0-4 day is still hitting way better against LHP than Frelick is this year which including Lockridge being injured are the only reasons he's on the roster. 

[edfunderburk]

39 minutes ago, yourout said:

Could he get a two inning save?

I believe the rule is three innings required for a save if the lead is less than three runs when pitcher enters game

[adambr2]

4 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Why wouldn’t we give our top prospects a chance rather than trade one or more for an “okay” MLB player like Edwards or Lopez?

Lopez has been worth 2.4 WAR this year, 9 WAR the last 2 1/3rd seasons, is hitting .337 and plays a high end SS, and he’s just “okay”? Tough crowd.

Lopez is basically what Ortiz would be if Ortiz could actually hit, too. He’s just a Marlin and not a Yankee or Dodger so he doesn’t get the press.

[edfunderburk]

5 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Lopez has been worth 2.4 WAR this year, 9 WAR the last 2 1/3rd seasons, is hitting .337 and plays a high end SS, and he’s just “okay”? Tough crowd.

Lopez is basically what Ortiz would be if Ortiz could actually hit, too. He’s just a Marlin and not a Yankee or Dodger so he doesn’t get the press.

I hadn’t checked their stats for 2026. Maybe Lopez would be a great addition after all. 💪

[hoosier]

46 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

This thread is kind of unbelievable. Brewers have a dominant win on the back of Misiorowski throwing another dominant start to extend the division lead to 2.5 and push the team to 11 games over .500 and like 40% of the comments are complaining about Perkins who even after an 0-4 day is still hitting way better against LHP than Frelick is this year which including Lockridge being injured are the only reasons he's on the roster. 

That is what fans do: gripe about stuff they cannot control! Personally I don't feel like Perkins is going anywhere until Lockridge gets back. I like Perkins as a person, at least as far as you can tell from his media persona. But it does mystify me how he can go in two years from a serviceable option against LHP to someone you probably wouldn't hesitate to have a healthy Woodruff pinch hit for. 

[yourout]

36 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I hadn’t checked their stats for 2026. Maybe Lopez would be a great addition after all. 💪

I could get behind that for the right price.

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, hoosier said:

That is what fans do: gripe about stuff they cannot control! Personally I don't feel like Perkins is going anywhere until Lockridge gets back. I like Perkins as a person, at least as far as you can tell from his media persona. But it does mystify me how he can go in two years from a serviceable option against LHP to someone you probably wouldn't hesitate to have a healthy Woodruff pinch hit for. 

He went on bereavement last summer and has not been the same since. It was like a switch flipped, 

So while I may not want him on the 26 anymore I just hope personally he’s going okay. 

[TwinsBrewersWorldSeries]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

He went on bereavement last summer and has not been the same since. It was like a switch flipped, 

So while I may not want him on the 26 anymore I just hope personally he’s going okay. 

Great person and I agree that I hope he’s ok, but playing on a mlb roster is not a participation trophy.

i’ve known some great talent that goes on and make $300 million, and some that never get more than a cup of coffee in their career.

fact is, at this point, he’s not a mlb worthy player 

[Opening Day]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

This thread is kind of unbelievable. Brewers have a dominant win on the back of Misiorowski throwing another dominant start to extend the division lead to 2.5 and push the team to 11 games over .500 and like 40% of the comments are complaining about Perkins who even after an 0-4 day is still hitting way better against LHP than Frelick is this year which including Lockridge being injured are the only reasons he's on the roster. 

I posted a couple times about Perkins, and Im thrilled at how well the Brewers have been playing.  It doesn't have to be one or the other.  For example, Misiorowski, Ashby, Harrison, etc. have been great and their pitching success has brought me joy as a fan.   And I also want Woodford replaced.   Just because they are in 1st doesn't mean they can't improve.

[igor67]

I thought it was 4 runs for a 2 inning save, and protecting any size lead for 3 or more innings

[rickh150]

2 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

I believe the rule is three innings required for a save if the lead is less than three runs when pitcher enters game

Any run lead….could be up 10…for pitching last 3 innings. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

2 hours ago, hoosier said:

That is what fans do: gripe about stuff they cannot control! Personally I don't feel like Perkins is going anywhere until Lockridge gets back. I like Perkins as a person, at least as far as you can tell from his media persona. But it does mystify me how he can go in two years from a serviceable option against LHP to someone you probably wouldn't hesitate to have a healthy Woodruff pinch hit for. 

I like Perkins a lot too. Honestly, I like all this forum's favorite scapegoats (other than maybe Rengifo, who hasn't really been around long enough for me to have a sense of him as a player or personality--I don't have a negative impression, just sort of a neutral one). More than that, I can understand why the Brewers want to give guys like Perk and Hamilton a chance. Both of them have valuable skillsets (I think Lockridge has a more valuable one, and I'm actually quite a big fan of Baddoo, who's shown some pop at Nashville in a limited sample since coming back, but I think individual mileage on all those guys may vary).

The issue is that it's just that we have about 2 or 3 of the same kind of infielder playing and about 2 or 3 of the same kind of outfielder. When you're dealing with replacement-level types, you start to wonder why, when one struggles, you don't just roll the dice with another.

I don't think the Brewers are wrong to keep Perk and Hamilton. Maybe they like their personalities or something (meant genuinely; I think Murph is big on that, and he might actually be good at evaluating it, given his track record). Maybe they just don't think it's worth messing with. I will say that they've given Hamilton a longer leash than I'd have expected. If Perk continues this level of production all the way up until Lockridge is activated in 3 or 4 weeks, that'll surprise me too. 

All in all, just interesting to parse the thought process because clearly this team is really fun in a lot of ways.

[BruisedCrew]

I don’t know if this has been posted anywhere, but I see that Henderson’s scheduled start on Wednesday is in question because of back tightness. 

[folly412]

Among the crazy Misiorowski stats that are among the so crazy I at least missed it.  Well over a month without giving up more than a single.

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Misiorowski hasn't allowed an extra-base hit in six straight starts since giving up a double to Miami's Kyle Stowers on April 19.

[BruisedCrew]

3 hours ago, igor67 said:

I thought it was 4 runs for a 2 inning save, and protecting any size lead for 3 or more innings

To get a save, the pitcher must either

(1) enter the game with a lead of 3 runs or less AND pitch at least one full inning.

(2) enter the game with the tying run on base, at bat, or in the on deck circle, regardless of the size of the lead, or 

(3) pitch the final 3 innings of the game regardless of the size of the lead.

So, a pitcher who starts the eighth inning with lead of 4 runs or more cannot get a save.

A pitcher who enters the game with the bases loaded and a 5 run lead could still get a save because the potential tying run is in the on deck circle.

[brewmann04]

We’re at the point watching Miz starts waiting for the No  hitter. The kid is absolutely filthy on the mound 

[cragi]

5 hours ago, hoosier said:

That is what fans do: gripe about stuff they cannot control! Personally I don't feel like Perkins is going anywhere until Lockridge gets back. I like Perkins as a person, at least as far as you can tell from his media persona. But it does mystify me how he can go in two years from a serviceable option against LHP to someone you probably wouldn't hesitate to have a healthy Woodruff pinch hit for. 

Perkins seems like a nice kid but if you cant gripe when a player is batting below the "Perkins line" (.100), then when can you? 

I think the issue here is that that the lineup is feast or famine in talent level offensively. Which is actually great, because its easier to replace a weak hitter with someone average than a good hitter with someone great. But we also see the numbers our AAA guys are putting up, so we are losing patience because its likely cost us a few games already.

[owbc]

34 minutes ago, folly412 said:

Among the crazy Misiorowski stats that are among the so crazy I at least missed it.  Well over a month without giving up more than a single.

I hadn’t seen him in person until today. I’ve never seen anyone make pitching look that easy. With the greats there’s usually some sort of X-factor that sets them apart, with Miz he’s a physical freak with a space cadet mentality that seems to prevent him from feeling any sort of nerves. He’s just out there enjoying himself. He’s like the anti-Randy Johnson personality. 
 

I’d like to know what Bill said to him during the mound visit after his velo was down to 98-99 and the Cards got a couple hits. It was almost like Miz got bored after he lost the no-no and Bill had to yell at him to wake up. Suddenly his velo was back up again after that. Then he seemed to want to go 7 and was locked in again. 

[sveumrules]

8 hours ago, homer said:

He has an outside shot at 300 Ks and I doubt he sniffs 200IP

Miz is currently at 100 K in 64 IP. Let's just extrapolate for fun and say he would hit 300 K at 192 IP or thereabouts.

Looks like there have been 34 individual seasons of 300 or more strikeouts going back to Bob Feller in 1946.

Some of the lower IP totals belong to 2019 Gerrit Cole (212.1 IP | 326 K), 1999 Pedro (213.1 IP | 313 K), and 2017 Chris Sale (214.1 IP | 308 K).

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, cragi said:

But we also see the numbers our AAA guys are putting up, so we are losing patience because its likely cost us a few games already.

Pratt thru 0423 (75 PA)
156/270/172 (30 wRC+)
Pratt since 0423 (115 PA)
280/404/527 (145 wRC+)

Jett thru 0423 (103 PA)
186/320/256 (65 wRC+)
Jett since 0423 (119 PA)
300/403/520 (144 wRC+)

No doubt the Pratt and Jett have been much improved over the last month, but it's still just a month and a little over a hundred PA for each of them. Am guessing the Brewers are going to want to see them have a little more sustained success (& Super Two to pass for Jett) before giving either the call.

Lara has obviously been performing all year but between Mitchell's upside & needing PA after missing so much time, Sal being an integral part of the the last three Division Champion teams, Lockridge performing capably as a 4th OF since his acquisition, and Bauers getting more OF time as his bat has taken off, it was always going to be a longer runway to regular PT for Luis.

As far as it costing us a few games already, the Brewers 18 W - 7 L record is the second best in MLB going back to April 26th behind only the Rays at 19 W - 6 L. The extent to which Rengifo, Hamilton, Ortiz, Perkins, Frelick have actually been costing them, and the theoretical immediate boost we'd get from Jett, Pratt, Lara, or Leonard making their MLB debuts with limited track records of AAA success under their respective belts are probably being overstated in both directions.

[adambr2]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Pratt thru 0423 (75 PA)
156/270/172 (30 wRC+)
Pratt since 0423 (115 PA)
280/404/527 (145 wRC+)

Jett thru 0423 (103 PA)
186/320/256 (65 wRC+)
Jett since 0423 (119 PA)
300/403/520 (144 wRC+)

No doubt the Pratt and Jett have been much improved over the last month, but it's still just a month and a little over a hundred PA for each of them. Am guessing the Brewers are going to want to see them have a little more sustained success (& Super Two to pass for Jett) before giving either the call.

Lara has obviously been performing all year but between Mitchell's upside & needing PA after missing so much time, Sal being an integral part of the the last three Division Champion teams, Lockridge performing capably as a 4th OF since his acquisition, and Bauers getting more OF time as his bat has taken off, it was always going to be a longer runway to regular PT for Luis.

As far as it costing us a few games already, the Brewers 18 W - 7 L record is the second best in MLB going back to April 26th behind only the Rays at 19 W - 6 L. The extent to which Rengifo, Hamilton, Ortiz, Perkins, Frelick have actually been costing them, and the theoretical immediate boost we'd get from Jett, Pratt, Lara, or Leonard making their MLB debuts with limited track records of AAA success under their respective belts are probably being overstated in both directions.

I don’t understand the sentiment that you can’t do anything about Sal. He hasn’t been good. Him being a big part of previous playoff runs doesn’t change his 67 wRC+ or the fact that he’s unplayable against LHP.

As of today, there is not an acceptable outfield righty platoon outfield bat to start against LHP outside of Chourio. 

If Frelick gets optioned and spends some time in Nashville to work on his swing, knowing it’ll be temporary, and Lara gets some time up here to see how sustainable his production is at this level, are you really losing anything or doing any harm?   
 

I think if anything, you’re getting more information. 

Between Sal, Mitchell and Lara, one of these players is not a part of our long-term outfield alignment.

[sveumrules]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

I don’t understand the sentiment that you can’t do anything about Sal. 

As of today, there is not an acceptable outfield righty platoon outfield bat to start against LHP outside of Chourio. 

If Frelick gets optioned and spends some time in Nashville to work on his swing, knowing it’ll be temporary, and Lara gets some time up here to see how sustainable his production is at this level, are you really losing anything or doing any harm?  

It's not that you can't do anything about Sal, it's that he's a guy who from 2023 to 2025 put up 6.4 WAR ranking 29th among all outfielders. That kind of past performance, coupled with whatever intangibles / leadership role he has on the team is gonna buy him more than 51 games. Especially when the team is playing so well despite his struggles.

Small sample of only 46 PA against LHP, but Bauers has a 119 wRC+ versus southpaws so far this year. Missing two of their best RHP for half the year (plus Yelich who had a fine 109 wRC+ vs LHP from 2024-25) and they've still managed an 11 W - 5 L against LHP this year. If they were getting owned by LHP there might be more urgency but that hasn't been a problem so far.

The Brewers aren't going to add Lara to the 40 Man, start his service clock, then possibly burn an option year down the road just to see what he's got for a couple few weeks until Lockridge is ready to return. Are you really losing anything or doing any harm? The Brewers are on an 18 W - 7 L run that is 2nd best in MLB over that stretch, there is a lot more downward mobility from there than there is upward.

Injuries to Chourio, Vaughn, Yelich, Priester, Woodruff, Koenig...plus Megill, Uribe, Zerpa combining for a 5.81 ERA and six losses in their 48 IP...plus getting -39.6 batting runs from Matos, Hamilton, Jones, Ortiz, Frelick, Perkins, Rengifo...and the Brewers are playing at a 98-99 win pace, with a 2.5 game lead on the best division in baseball, scoring the 4th most and allowing the 4th fewest runs per game for a +71 run differential that is 3rd in MLB and one of only four teams even above +40.  

The Brewers will likely play worse from here on out no matter what they do. I don't think anyone believes they are a true talent 98-99 win team like they are currently on pace for, a true talent 105 win team like their Pythag would imply over 162 games, and they definitely aren't a .720 W% team like they have played over their last 25 games, that's 2001 Mariners territory.

But that performance as a team to this point, especially considering all the obstacles they have faced to get there, buys them more time to be patient in their movements, let the kids develop and call them up when the front office thinks they are ready (unless injury dictates otherwise in the interim) instead of calling them up hoping to improve on an already rolling team.

[Jimbo]

Man of the Match: Jacob Misiorowski (WPA = +0.25).