Hader VERY BAD for Padres

[yourout]

10 minutes ago, boringname123 said:

I'm not saying this is what you're doing, but I've never really understood the vilification of Hader for wanting to be 9th inning only.  Didn't that come about after the Brewers beat him in arbitration by arguing he didn't have enough saves to deserve a higher salary? Always seemed to me like he was just playing the game by the rules the arb process created.

MLB needs to add A catagory for multi inning saves.

In many ways he was most valuable when you could hand him the ball with a lead in the 7th or 8th and he closed it out.

[patrickgpe]

1 hour ago, NBBrewFan said:

 

The best pitcher, so far, was DFAed by the Brewers.  The rest are all crap, but hey we'll ignore the one's wearing Brewers Unis.

Bush and Rogers hasn't been garbage. They both have had bad outings that have affected their overall stats since the trade, since the sample size has been small. They have also looked very good.

[patrickgpe]

 Bush has had 5/8 outings not giving up a run. He looked excellent closing out the cards last week. Rodgers didn't give up a run in 4/6 outings, an his bad stats were basically in a very bad inning against the Cards.

Hader also only gave up runs in 1 outing of out 4 appearances. 

like others said, stats get blown way out of proportion when you are looking at a 3 week window. I know Hader has been bad for an extended period of time and Rogers did lose his job in SD so he needs to improve too, but I won't say they have been crap. 

[tmwiese55]

5 minutes ago, yourout said:

MLB needs to add A catagory for multi inning saves.

In many ways he was most valuable when you could hand him the ball with a lead in the 7th or 8th and he closed it out.

Yea I don't blame him at all for playing the business card of it all.  Less innings this way, they probably think its way to reduce injury risk.  For all we know he'd have been a guy who preferred to sign an extension to set him for life but since he's with MKE that wasn't possible(them playing business), thus doing what he could to reduce injury risk before FA.   Another thing to ponder is how much he'd have preferred to try as a starter for the bigger payday.  Sure seems MKE was right on their call but who knows how he and his agent viewed it at the time, and then possibly added to the arby stuff, etc. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

15 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Hader also only gave up runs in 1 outing of out 4 appearances.

While technically correct, this underplays how bad Hader has been. He was put into a men on base situation last night so no runs were charged to him but he lit the stadium on fire. He only needed to get two outs but gave up a hit, walked a guy, and hit another guy while striking out no one. 

[patrickgpe]

21 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

While technically correct, this underplays how bad Hader has been. He was put into a men on base situation last night so no runs were charged to him but he lit the stadium on fire. He only needed to get two outs but gave up a hit, walked a guy, and hit another guy while striking out no one. 

i know I misled the numbers on Hader, and probably should have left in out of my post  My point more was that Bush and Rogers has not crap as the poster I responded to said, but rather had a bad or 2 outing in a 3 week period. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

27 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

i know I misled the numbers on Hader, and probably should have left in out of my post  My point more was that Bush and Rogers has not crap as the poster I responded to said, but rather had a bad or 2 outing in a 3 week period. 

Oh sure, with that I agree. 

[wildcat2237]

Hader with another meltdown tonight. Gave up 3 runs and failed to record an out. 

[Brewcrew82]

Allows 3 runs without recording a single out, culminating in a 2 run bomb to a guy who had yet to homer in his career.

[wildcat2237]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Allows 3 runs without recording a single out, culminating in a 2 run bomb to a guy who had yet to homer in his career.

Gotta think he's well on his way to being non tendered. Credit to Stearns for making the move at the perfect time. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Oh my goodness, Hader might lead us to the postseason after all!

[AKCheesehead]

I really hate to see Hader struggle like this.  Unless of course it causes SD to drop behind MIL in the wild card, then I'll allow it. I think he'll get it together and be great.  But .  .  .  you just never know.  It might not happen... this season.  Or ever.  It can change so fast for a RP as we all know. I think he'll be alright though.

[UpandIn]

15 hours ago, tmwiese55 said:

Yea I don't blame him at all for playing the business card of it all.  Less innings this way, they probably think its way to reduce injury risk.  For all we know he'd have been a guy who preferred to sign an extension to set him for life but since he's with MKE that wasn't possible(them playing business), thus doing what he could to reduce injury risk before FA.   Another thing to ponder is how much he'd have preferred to try as a starter for the bigger payday.  Sure seems MKE was right on their call but who knows how he and his agent viewed it at the time, and then possibly added to the arby stuff, etc. 

I was still hoping to see him moved back to the starters role after 2017 when he came up and kinda shook off the Col Springs numbers. 

I'm guessing his FB velo would have sat in the 92-95 range as a starter, but I always think you let a guy start until he fails at it. Hader never really failed, he was just soo good as a reliever, it was hard to move him back. Then, before you knew it, we had Burnes and Woodruff who looked like starters, plus Peralta(Even if Burnes had that blow up in 2019). 

 

I still think Hader's alright, just struggling a bit. But it does make it easier not having to hear Brewers Twitter complaining so much. Especially as Gasser lights it up. '

Still bothered by Lamet. He's killing us as much as possible. We have to DFA him, then he goes to the Rockies, he's dealing...and the first time he gives up a run for Col, it's to cost them a game vs the Cards. Go figure!

[Eye Black]

22 hours ago, Eye Black said:

In Josh Hader’s last two outings he’s faced 12 batters. It’s gone as follows:

Walk
Single
Hit By Pitch
Walk
Strikeout 
Walk
Sac Fly (Lineout)
Hit By Pitch
Walk
Sac Fly (Lineout)
Single
Lineout

On the bright side no extra base hits, but yeah that’s pretty rough. The walk last night was on 4-pitches with the bases already loaded. 

Update with three more batters faced last night (15 batters faced over last 3 outings):

Walk

Single

Hit By Pitch

Walk

Strikeout 

Walk

Sac Fly (Lineout)

Hit By Pitch

Walk

Sac Fly (Lineout)

Single

Lineout 

Walk

Single (Hader throwing error for extra bases)

Home Run
 

After giving up the home run last night you could see a kid in a Padres City Connect jersey among those aggressively booing him as he walked off the mound. The second night in a row he’s been booed by the home crowd, and it’s legitimately becoming a tough scene to watch.

I can’t remember a player going so quickly from “fan favorite” of one organization to this level of disliked by another fan base. Maybe Joey Gallo is a slight parallel, but even that wasn’t this rapid. 

[willie key]

Hader.    Man.      He might be done for this year.      Trading hader wasn’t as big a deal to me.    You saw signs of this before he left

It would have been nice to fleece a team but maybe some of these dudes will pan out

 

but wow is hader bad now.     Something weird is going on

[JRob1125]

Yeah, I thought it was funny at first but this is truly sad to watch

[Eye Black]

Josh Hader prior to June 7th:

Josh Hader since June 7th:

[MrTPlush]

I am sure he will be fine, but thus, trading for a guy with 1.5 years or less of control can be real fickle. Even if he reverts to a more normal Hader next year...he is well on his way to bombing 1/3 of that remaining control.

That being said...as long as they make the postseason, that is where his production matters. If he throws lights out in a postseason run that is really what they paid for. Usually when you are tossing huge money at a closer or trading for one, you have your eyes set on October. 

A lot of talk about non tendering him...0% chance that happens...absolute 0% chance a team non tenders Hader after one poor half season. Padres will pony up the money even if he struggles the rest of the year or they will trade him to a team perfectly happy to do so. $15mil or whatever isn't a huge one year gamble for a large payroll team for a guy like Hader.

[liveforoctober]

Jeremy Jeffress 2.0?

[LouisEly]

Just to be clear, the $15M number being thrown around is an arbitration estimate assuming another typical Hader-like season as he is still pre-Arby's and not a free agent until 2024.

At this rate, no way will he get $15M in arbitration.  I don't see Hader getting more than the $11M he is getting this season. 

[torts]

12 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Just to be clear, the $15M number being thrown around is an arbitration estimate assuming another typical Hader-like season as he is still pre-Arby's and not a free agent until 2024.

At this rate, no way will he get $15M in arbitration.  I don't see Hader getting more than the $11M he is getting this season. 

And that's why he won't be nontendered.  If they can get hader for same price or a little more than this year for the potential next year, they will

[yourout]

57 minutes ago, JRob1125 said:

Yeah, I thought it was funny at first but this is truly sad to watch

+1... He has had some tough stretches before but this is way beyond that.

[edfunderburk]

7 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Oh my goodness, Hader might lead us to the postseason after all!

Brilliant!

[edfunderburk]

1 hour ago, Eye Black said:

Josh Hader prior to June 7th:

Josh Hader since June 7th:

This is amazing … 

[owbc]

1 hour ago, liveforoctober said:

Jeremy Jeffress 2.0?

More like a full blown Turnbow.