Turang Recalled, Urias Optioned to AAA

[Brewcrew82]

Pretty shocking I would say. Urias needs to get his act together. Rowdy next?

https://twitter.com/Brewers/status/1674492653826723840?s=20

[wiguy94]

You beat me by like a second haha. Really curious how the clubhouse reacts to this. Specifically how Adames and Peralta react. 

Rowdy does not have options unfortunately.

[markedman5]

I think the clubhouse is smart enough to know that it is in his best interest to go down and get right again.

[wiguy94]

Feel like the fact it's Urias being optioned and not Monasterio that they specifically have something they want Urias to work on down in AAA. 

[igor67]

By the numbers Turang was still out producing Urias before being sent down. Only marginally better on offense but the defense measured out noticeably better. Not a lot of obvious options at the moment, so seeing if Turang figured out how to hit a little more consistently is definitely a worthwhile try.

[markedman5]

Turang base running/speed also far superior 

[Jopal78]

With a projected salary next year of over 5 million dollars, Urias needs to get going at the plate or likely will be non-tendered 

[Outlander]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

You beat me by like a second haha. Really curious how the clubhouse reacts to this. Specifically how Adames and Peralta react. 

Rowdy does not have options unfortunately.

With him making $5 million I would have no issue with a DFA as likely nobody claims him and they outright him to AAA to work on things. HIura can take his place until he figures it out or the Brewers acquire somebody better.

[owbc]

It would be insane to let Urias get away. He'll either figure things out or he'll be back with a lower paycheck next year. He won't be in AAA for long. 

Orlando Arcia hit .198 in his age 26 season, the Brewers gave up on him, and he's now had two productive years for Atlanta including a career year currently at age 28. 

Hiura is irrelevant to this topic, he's a DH/1B, Urias is a middle infielder. 

 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, owbc said:

It would be insane to let Urias get away. He'll either figure things out or he'll be back with a lower paycheck next year. He won't be in AAA for long. 

Orlando Arcia hit .198 in his age 26 season, the Brewers gave up on him, and he's now had two productive years for Atlanta including a career year currently at age 28. 

Hiura is irrelevant to this topic, he's a DH/1B, Urias is a middle infielder. 

Arcia's career year is a bit extreme. It's halfway through the season and his underlying numbers are bad. He currently has a .363 BABIP which is 70 points over his career average. His .311 xwOBA would be around like a 90 wRC+. Which isn't exactly a career year.

[Axman59]

The Trent Grisham trade has been a rollercoaster. There was a time it looked like the Brewers made out like bandits with Urias and Lauer. Now, not so much.

[markedman5]

“Due to that optional assignment, he’ll come up short of a full year of service time here in 2023, though he would be on track to get Super Two status after 2025 if he can stay up for good.”

[RWeeksFan23]

44 minutes ago, owbc said:

It would be insane to let Urias get away. He'll either figure things out or he'll be back with a lower paycheck next year. He won't be in AAA for long. 

 

 

Idk, that's a little extreme. Urias sucks and has really never passed the eye test to me.

[BruisedCrew]

42 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Arcia's career year is a bit extreme. It's halfway through the season and his underlying numbers are bad. He currently has a .363 BABIP which is 70 points over his career average. His .311 xwOBA would be around like a 90 wRC+. Which isn't exactly a career year.

I also think you have to consider that Arcia is surrounded by one of the best, and arguably the best, lineups in MLB. Even with an OPS near .800 he is one of the “weaker” inks in the batting order. So, IMHO he’s getting a lot more good pitches to hit when he’s followed by Acuna, Albies, and Olson than if he was dropped into the middle of the Brewers lineup. 

[mtsportsfan]

1 hour ago, markedman5 said:

Turang base running/speed also far superior 

Can't get over how slow Urias is ! As someone said " slowest fit person I've seen" so true

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

It would be insane to let Urias get away. He'll either figure things out or he'll be back with a lower paycheck next year. He won't be in AAA for long. 

Orlando Arcia hit .198 in his age 26 season, the Brewers gave up on him, and he's now had two productive years for Atlanta including a career year currently at age 28. 

Hiura is irrelevant to this topic, he's a DH/1B, Urias is a middle infielder. 

 

It would not be insane. At some point Urias has to transform some of that fading prospect buzz into consistent production. No question, he was good in ‘21, but the 1000 other PAs he logged in the majors, have been forgettable (sub .700 OPS)
 

With the way the arbitration system works, Urias will definitely file for a raise, and there a chance he could get one if he went to a hearing, this unless he can get it going at the plate there’s a real chance the Brewers minimize their financial risk and move on. 

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

It would not be insane. At some point Urias has to transform some of that fading prospect buzz into consistent production. No question, he was good in ‘21, but the 1000 other PAs he logged in the majors, have been forgettable 
 

With the way the arbitration system works, Urias will definitely file for a raise, and there a chance he could get one if he went to a hearing, this unless he can get it going at the plate there’s a real chance the Brewers minimize their financial risk and move on. 

He was the same exact player last year as he was in '21. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

It would not be insane. At some point Urias has to transform some of that fading prospect buzz into consistent production. No question, he was good in ‘21, but the 1000 other PAs he logged in the majors, have been forgettable 

He was literally just as good in 2022 as he was in 2021???

[Jopal78]

16 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

He was the same exact player last year as he was in '21. 

Slugging down 40 points and OBP down 10 which were league average ish to begin with and now he’s twice as expensive. (Cue: the analytics say he was one of the best players) 
 

Urias is a useful player if he can be that .730+ OPS guy, but a sub .700 guy due 5+ million dollars should feel very concerned about his roster spot. 

[wiguy94]

6 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Slugging down 40 points and OBP down 10 which were league average ish to begin with and now he’s twice as expensive. (Cue: the analytics say he was one of the best players) 
 

Urias is a useful player if he can be that .730+ OPS guy, but a sub .700 guy due 5+ million dollars should feel very concerned about his roster spot. 

For the 10,000th time, the league offensive environment was down last year because they were using dead baseballs. 

His OPS+ and wRC+ which are league adjusted stats were virtually identical in 2021 and 2022. 

Why does this need to be explained so often on this site?

[LouisEly]

Well, from what I've seen, Urias has been outstanding defensively this year.  A lot better than the dWAR that Fangraphs and B-R are giving him.  He's handled a lot of balls that had rocket EVs, which I don't know is captured in those defensive metrics.

Turang has a .927 OPS in AAA, so he's earned his way back up.   Looks like it was 3 days too late to avoid using one of his options as he was optioned on June 7th.  Hopefully this is the only year that he uses an option.

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, Jopal78 said:

Slugging down 40 points and OBP down 10 which were league average ish to begin with and now he’s twice as expensive. (Cue: the analytics say he was one of the best players) 
 

Urias is a useful player if he can be that .730+ OPS guy, but a sub .700 guy due 5+ million dollars should feel very concerned about his roster spot. 

His wRC+ and OPS+ were virtually identical. The offensive environment was down from 2021 to 2022, which those stats account for. 

What the heck are you talking about...

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

For the 10,000th time, the league offensive environment was down last year because they were using dead baseballs. 

His OPS+ and wRC+ which are league adjusted stats were virtually identical in 2021 and 2022. 

Why does this need to be explained so often on this site?

Because what you are arguing isn’t true.
His numbers compared to “league average” being the same year to year  does not mean his individual numbers were identical from year to year. 
 

There’s an analytic to argue any point anyone wants to make. The guy has a 1000 PAs of sub .700 OPS and is making over 4 million dollars a year. Montessori can give the Brewers that for 800K, therein lies the problem with Urias and a small market team. 

 

[Joseph Zarr]

Well, Urias was quite bad in his initial rehab stints before he was called back up. I agree with @LouisEly about his defense - he's made some fantastic plays. I also agree with what @wiguy94and @Brewcrew82are saying concerning 2021 and 2022. I mean, isn't that obvious if we're paying attention to MLB trends? Maybe it isn't for some - and, that's OK. My up front addendum here with 2023 Urias is: 55 AB's is a ridiculously small sample size so I tend to think as others allude to above: this is a targeted Option usage. Work on these things. Get more AB's.

Regardless, what I think is also clear is the Brewers suddenly find themselves with a wealth of options to temporarily try to replace the ongoing lack of production at the dish by Urias. Not the defender Urias is by any measure, but INF Abraham Toro showed his bat is real in 2023 and he continues to do very good things in Nashville - including some ridiculously good 1B glove work in their opening win @ Memphis to open the second half. Don't get me started - the 1B scene in Nashville is a testament to where the 1B scene is organizationally. But, INF Andruw Monasterio (like others have mentioned above) has really made a name for himself and has shown defensive prowess and heady play that really only came together this season. You have to love that story after he was re-assigned to Double-A Biloxi just last season when the Sounds infield featured more vets. He's carved his path as a Minor League Free Agent in 2022. INF Eddy Alvarez has been stupid good all year playing 2B for Nashville. He has flexibility limitations and that is holding back his call-up, imho. Really though, ridiculously consistent solid season. Let's not forget about INF Cam Devanney. It's absolutely no secret I've likely been his biggest advocate on this site for over a year. He continues to excel in limited opportunities at Nashville due to the ongoing glut of all these capable players. 2 HR, 4 RBI tonight. Further removed from his early season prolonged injury. OPS approaching 0.900 on the year. Stellar work. Fantastic defender with a cannon of an arm anywhere left of 1B (don't try him there - it's a disaster as his recent effort showed 😂). And, this doesn't even get into another player who has consistently been a solid solid piece for the Sounds. Another FA pick-up in 2022 INF Patrick Dorrian (trade with the Orioles via their Triple-A Norfolk Tides). Plays solid everywhere on the diamond. Bat is consistent - makes solid contact. Has a little bit of pop. Lefty. Just a really solid baseball player.  

And, Urias is entering a picture where INF's Mike Brosseau and Josh Van Meter are getting reps as well. There's a lot of quality AAAA depth on the roster. One or two of these guys could certainly get hot at the right time and I think the Brewers know that and will exploit it as if it were a bullpen of infield players.

 

[Outlander]

With all of those guys mentioned I think Brosseau is looking at a DFA due to others being called up and added to 40 man or injured guys coming back.