Brewers acquire Canha

[JefferyLeonard]

2 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

JL - THEY DON"T WIN

BF - They've won more games than 24 other teams over the last five years.

JL - SO WHAT!

So you're another guy that doesn't care how they do in the postseason and are happy with regular season success? SMH. How many NL Championship series have they made in that time span. heck, how many times have they gotten out of the 1st round? 

[homer]

I think we've beaten this to death. Start posting about Canha or take it somewhere else. Thanks.

[SeaBass]

1 minute ago, JefferyLeonard said:

Sure, that's a legit argument. The only problem is, if not now, when?? You had a window with Burnes and Woody, and did nothing to try to capitalize on it. That's my problem. They are always just "patching" holes. 

You've a right to your opinion but stackng all your expectations on trade deadline deals is complete folly. The beginning of the season, or better put, the off-season, is when you want to see the big moves happen. I don't think adding prime Trout would make that much difference to this club than the guys they just got and it didn't cost them the next several years of sucking to do it.

[JefferyLeonard]

8 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

You've a right to your opinion but stackng all your expectations on trade deadline deals is complete folly. The beginning of the season, or better put, the off-season, is when you want to see the big moves happen. I don't think adding prime Trout would make that much difference to this club than the guys they just got and it didn't cost them the next several years of sucking to do it.

They are all connected though. if they would ever make "big moves" in the off season they wouldn't put themselves in the positions they do at the trade deadline. Then I wouldn't care. But they do it to themselves all the time. There's been a few good off season moves(I'm speaking strictly abut hitters with this), but there has been more bad then good. For instance, name the last good 1 year contract guy they signed in the off season that has worked out. That's what they do sign 1 year deal guys and "hope" for a 1 year resurrection from said player. So when it doesn't work, what do they do? Rinse and repeat, double down and do it again next year. 

[Jopal78]

52 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Because the Rays are the best run small market in baseball, instead of only 2nd or 3rd best like the Brewers.

If the Cubs were actually playing chess to our checkers (they aren’t) and have a $65M edge on payroll (they do) they wouldn’t be looking up at us in the standings again (they are).

Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta there’s your difference. The Brewers had 3 strong starting pitchers hit the majors at the same time. The Cubs don’t. 

The Brewers are not terribly run but I sure wouldn’t consider them amongst the best run clubs small or large market.

Case in point they develop three all star starting pitchers at the same time and they’ve won 2 playoff series with them and that was nearly 5 years ago. Hell they missed the playoffs all together last year with some of the NL’s best starting pitching. Talk about less with more. 
 

They have not developed a starting pitcher since Burnes, they haven’t developed an above average home grown hitter in a decade, they’ve ended up releasing virtually every free agent they’ve signed to a multi-year deal in the last decade before their contract was up. 

Now with dwindling control of those ace pitchers they’re hesitant to be bold about bolstering their lineup to aid their chances, and at the same time are flushing the amount of future return of those aces the longer they hang on to them. 

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, JefferyLeonard said:

That's the thing, who says their will be another contending window? None of us know that, and even if there is, we don't know when it might be. There are no certainties. That's why when you have two stud arms like they have, you should maximize that window. Alas, they are the Brewers. 

The Brewers made it to game 7 of the NLCS in 2018 with Jhoulys Chacin, Chase Anderson, Junior Guerra, and Brent Suter as their top starting pitchers. 

There will be life after Burnes and Woodruff.  They will likely trade Burnes in the offseason for a haul, possibly Woodruff too.  There is a path to a quick rebuild.  There are many ways to get to the NLCS; in 2018 it was offense and a lockdown bullpen (Knebel, Hader, Jeffress).

[wallus]

Any idea on where Canha will play or will he be all over and DH? I am kinda hoping we acquire a legitimate DH and then have Frelick in CF and Canha in right. (late game subs for defense)

[Brewcrew82]

Nice thing about Canha is it'll allow us to have less lineups with Turang and Wiemer at the bottom of the order.

[StearnsFTW]

43 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Burnes, Woodruff, and Peralta there’s your difference. The Brewers had 3 strong starting pitchers hit the majors at the same time. The Cubs don’t. 

The Brewers are not terribly run but I sure wouldn’t consider them amongst the best run clubs small or large market.

Case in point they develop three all star starting pitchers at the same time and they’ve won 2 playoff series with them and that was nearly 5 years ago. Hell they missed the playoffs all together last year with some of the NL’s best starting pitching. Talk about less with more. 
 

They have not developed a starting pitcher since Burnes, they haven’t developed an above average home grown hitter in a decade, they’ve ended up releasing virtually every free agent they’ve signed to a multi-year deal in the last decade before their contract was up. 

Now with dwindling control of those ace pitchers they’re hesitant to be bold about bolstering their lineup to aid their chances, and at the same time are flushing the amount of future return of those aces the longer they hang on to them. 

What a horrid take.

 

Your whole "arguing just to argue/contrarian" schtick is getting old.

[superfly]

1 hour ago, HarveysWBs said:

The "So what?" is the possibility of a protracted rebuild.  CC is already hinting at stepping away, that would probably put the last nail in the coffin.  The stadium upgrade debate is getting acrimonious politically--a sharp downturn in the franchise's outlook isn't going to help that.  Worst case scenario:  Nashville Brewers?  No thanks.  I'll take long-term stability, thank you very much.

 
You must really love the minnesota vikings. They aren’t going to Nashville or anywhere else if they’re hoisting a world series or NL pennant banners. 

[Jopal78]

3 minutes ago, StearnsFTW said:

What a horrid take.

 

Your whole "arguing just to argue/contrarian" schtick is getting old.

Horrid take, but you didn’t say it’s not true. 

[superfly]

1 hour ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

That might be the saddest thing I've ever seen posted on this 

[ctmyers]

Well, it wouldn't be a trade deadline if the Brewers didn't give up young, promising arms for mediocre MLB depth.  

[superfly]

1 hour ago, owbc said:

I mean this genuinely -- if you're expecting something different you should probably pick a different MLB team to follow. The Brewers are not going to be taking a different approach anytime soon. 

The Brewers are likely going to continue being a mediocre hoisting NL Wild Card game banners for the foreseeable future without a change in strategy as well.

[wiguy94]

Holy freaking crap. Brewers have had the worst production in the MLB at RF, 1B, DH so far this year and the Brewers went out and upgraded at 2 of those positions. Meanwhile the negativity is unbearable in this thread. It's honestly just so sad how negative this fanbase is during one of the most competitive stretches in franchise history.

[Brewcrew82]

Another great thing about the Canha trade: Joey and Sal platoon....

[edfunderburk]

I hope Abraham Toro stays in Milwaukee when Canha is added

Maybe Owen Miller goes to Nashville to get regular time before a potential recall when rosters expand in September 

[Jopal78]

9 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Holy freaking crap. Brewers have had the worst production in the MLB at RF, 1B, DH so far this year and the Brewers went out and upgraded at 2 of those positions. Meanwhile the negativity is unbearable in this thread. It's honestly just so sad how negative this fanbase is during one of the most competitive stretches in franchise history.

With heightened expectations come increased disappointment. If this was 2005 folks would be thrilled they were even “buyers”-because what that means-  regardless of whom the players were 

[liveforoctober]

I've come to enjoy the nuclear reactions of fans during trade deadlines. The high strung fan has become one of my favorites to witness. We could trade for Ohtani, Scherzer, and Hader tonight and there will be a good handful of people whose response will be "BUT HOW IS THAT SUPPOSE TO HELP OUR 3B PRODUCTION?!?"

I enjoy this.

[HarveysWBs]

28 minutes ago, superfly said:

 
You must really love the minnesota vikings. They aren’t going to Nashville or anywhere else if they’re hoisting a world series or NL pennant banners. 

Read the original post I’m replying to.  “If it fails” being the operative phrase.

I’ll thank you not to call me a Vikings fan again. 😉

[ctmyers]

The problem isn't that they acquired players, it's the quality of player acquired.  Canha and Santana are marginal upgrades who likely don't affect a playoff series.  So instead of having the worst at each position, they'll have the 5th worst.  Not exactly something to be excited about.  It's completely understandable to be frustrated with the way the organization has approached this window of opportunity.  

[sveumrules]

1 minute ago, ctmyers said:

The problem isn't that they acquired players, it's the quality of player acquired.  Canha and Santana are marginal upgrades who likely don't affect a playoff series.  So instead of having the worst at each position, they'll have the 5th worst.  Not exactly something to be excited about.  It's completely understandable to be frustrated with the way the organization has approached this window of opportunity.  

How many better position players have been traded so far?

There is no Soto on the market this year.

[rickh150]

I like the trade. Like others said, and this is obvious to all, the Santana and Canha trades makes us better. Getting upset because it does not do enough?  I can’t fathom this because is there a trade out there that would help us dramatically? Is there a great bat or great pitcher even out there to rent?On top of it, The prospect loss was minimal, actually less than I thought it would be. I like the move.
I was unbelievably disappointed, beside myself at last year’s deadline. No hitters were picked up then, and our bullpen was made worse. Santana and Canha make sense and addresses awful OPS at a couple spots. 

[superfly]

17 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

How many better position players have been traded so far?

There is no Soto on the market this year.

And if there was a Soto, “it would cost too much.” Don’t you love the neverending wheel of excuses?

[sveumrules]

12 minutes ago, superfly said:

And if there was a Soto, “it would cost too much.” Don’t you love the neverending wheel of excuses?

There’s no need for hypotheticals.

Kiké Hernandez, Amed Rosario, Carlos Santana, Nicky Lopez, CJ Cron, Randall Grichuk, Mark Canha, Jeimer Candelario AJ Pollock and Mark Matthias, that is the reality we are dealing with to this point.