Brewers acquire Canha

[homer]

Canha has an 800 OPS with the Brewers.

[Frisbee Slider]

Canha seems more comfortable with the team now, too.

[brewerfan82]

Pre-Trade Deadline:

• 4.17 runs/game (13th in NL)
• 87 wRC+ (14th in NL)

Post-Trade Deadline:

• 5.4 runs/game (4th in NL)
• 97 wRC+ (7th in NL)

Canha and Santana with the Brewers pre-August 13th (slow starts with the new team):

• Canha - 49 wRC+ (42 PAs)
• Santana - 26 wRC+ (55 PAs))

Canha and Santana with the Brewers post-August 13th (after settling in):

• Canha - 163 wRC+ (63 PAs)
• Santana - 165 wRC+ (67 PAs)

I'm happy with the offensive additions to the team this trade deadline :)

[Thurston Fluff]

Just now, brewerfan82 said:

Pre-Trade Deadline:

• 4.17 runs/game (13th in NL)
• 87 wRC+ (14th in NL)

Post-Trade Deadline:

• 5.4 runs/game (4th in NL)
• 97 wRC+ (7th in NL)

Canha and Santana with the Brewers pre-August 13th (slow starts with the new team):

• Canha - 49 wRC+ (42 PAs)
• Santana - 26 wRC+ (55 PAs))

Canha and Santana with the Brewers post-August 13th (after settling in):

• Canha - 163 wRC+ (63 PAs)
• Santana - 165 wRC+ (67 PAs)

I'm happy with the offensive additions to the team this trade deadline :)

But they're not needle movers!!!!

[jerichoholicninja]

Whatever deadline moves Stearns would make would improve the offense a little bit and it appears Arnold did that too. How about this offseason they actually work to improve the offense then instead of having a half season of impotent bats.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

They did.  Say what you want about Winker, B.Anderson, Voit, etc but the Brewers tried and these players did not pan out.  Its a lot harder to identify good players in December/January than in July.  Not everyone will succeed and based on a lack of league wide success, free agency signings are a crapshoot.  Deadline deals are a much better risk since they have a near term track record.

[liveforoctober]

1 hour ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Whatever deadline moves Stearns would make would improve the offense a little bit and it appears Arnold did that too. How about this offseason they actually work to improve the offense then instead of having a half season of impotent bats.

That's the spirit.

[brewerfan82]

1 hour ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

They did.  Say what you want about Winker, B.Anderson, Voit, etc but the Brewers tried and these players did not pan out.  Its a lot harder to identify good players in December/January than in July.  Not everyone will succeed and based on a lack of league wide success, free agency signings are a crapshoot.  Deadline deals are a much better risk since they have a near term track record.

I'd also argue Contreras was a fairly significant add this past offseason ;)

[Samurai Bucky]

51 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

I'd also argue Contreras was a fairly significant add this past offseason ;)

Was he a needle-mover?

[sveumrules]

2 hours ago, brewerfan82 said:

I'd also argue Contreras was a fairly significant add this past offseason ;)

They've also given 1,268 plate appearances to first year players Wiemer, Turang, Monasterio, Perkins and Frelick, getting a solid 3.5 combined fWAR in return.

Sure, their collective offense hasn't been great (-35.5 total batting runs), but they've run the bases (+7.3 BSR) and fielded their positions (+20.5 DEF) well enough to each have provided positive overall value during their rookie seasons.

BRef has them contributing even more value at 4.4 combined WAR with a breakdown of -36 BAT | +3 BSR | +35 DEF.

[liveforoctober]

3 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Whatever deadline moves Stearns would make would improve the offense a little bit and it appears Arnold did that too. How about this offseason they actually work to improve the offense then instead of having a half season of impotent bats.

I think you're on to something here. I've always wondered why GM's don't each just acquire four all stars every off-season who all pan out to make their lineup as good as possible.

[Brewcrew82]

We could always sign and trade for “big-time”hitters like the Phillies. Oh wait….

[jerichoholicninja]

3 hours ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

They did.  Say what you want about Winker, B.Anderson, Voit, etc but the Brewers tried and these players did not pan out.  Its a lot harder to identify good players in December/January than in July.  Not everyone will succeed and based on a lack of league wide success, free agency signings are a crapshoot.  Deadline deals are a much better risk since they have a near term track record.

Actually before the season I applauded those moves of getting sluggers instead of the standard no-bat, utility infielders they tend to stock up on. But boy did they all fail miserably. 

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

Actually before the season I applauded those moves of getting sluggers instead of the standard no-bat, utility infielders they tend to stock up on. But boy did they all fail miserably. 

They did get the 2nd best catcher in baseball this year by fWAR for pretty much nothing.

[Playing Catch]

The Canha thread seems like a great place to ask this question:  Is there a "consistency metric" somewhere? I've found over the years, that I LOVE the players that are consistent. Guys that can contribute in nearly all the ways a ballplayer can contribute, and nearly in every game, but never quite WOWs you into having a strong impression?

I've loved Canha for years. I'm so glad he plays for my team.

[homer]

Candelario 809 OPS w the Cubs

Canha 845 OPS w the Brewers

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

14 hours ago, homer said:

Candelario 809 OPS w the Cubs

Canha 845 OPS w the Brewers

[Brewin]

14 hours ago, homer said:

Candelario 809 OPS w the Cubs

Canha 845 OPS w the Brewers

How could this possibly be true????...if you follow the negativity on this board Candelario was a HOF add and Canha was a useless spare part.

It's almost like you can't judge trade deadline activity after one week...

 

[Austin Tatious]

On 9/4/2023 at 12:58 PM, sveumrules said:

They've also given 1,268 plate appearances to first year players Wiemer, Turang, Monasterio, Perkins and Frelick, getting a solid 3.5 combined fWAR in return.

Sure, their collective offense hasn't been great (-35.5 total batting runs), but they've run the bases (+7.3 BSR) and fielded their positions (+20.5 DEF) well enough to each have provided positive overall value during their rookie seasons.

BRef has them contributing even more value at 4.4 combined WAR with a breakdown of -36 BAT | +3 BSR | +35 DEF.

Exactly. Player development.  Winning while you’re still developing young talent.  

[Austin Tatious]

14 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

The Canha thread seems like a great place to ask this question:  Is there a "consistency metric" somewhere? I've found over the years, that I LOVE the players that are consistent. Guys that can contribute in nearly all the ways a ballplayer can contribute, and nearly in every game, but never quite WOWs you into having a strong impression?

I've loved Canha for years. I'm so glad he plays for my team.

Canha has been huge, actually vital.   I don’t know where our OF would be without him.  

[brewerfan82]

After Santana and Canha's slow starts and Candelario's hot start with their new teams (since August 13th):

[homer]

25 minutes ago, Brewin said:

How could this possibly be true????...if you follow the negativity on this board Candelario was a HOF add and Canha was a useless spare part.

It's almost like you can't judge trade deadline activity after one week...

 

To be fair, the numbers here were probably a lot different a week ago. Let's revisit at the end of the season. Early returns look good for the Brewers though.

[sveumrules]

37 minutes ago, homer said:

To be fair, the numbers here were probably a lot different a week ago. Let's revisit at the end of the season. Early returns look good for the Brewers though.

I think the larger takeaway is that the anticipation surrounding the trade deadline is typically way bigger than its actual impact when the dust is settled.

Sure, there are the occasional big move all in superstar trade deadlines like SD in 2022, or Chapman to Cubs, or CC back in 2008, but those are the exceptions not the rule.

There’s just as many cases like ATL in 21 replacing Acuna with three mid tier OFs who got hot at the right time, or nondescript guys like Steve Pearce with BOS in 18, or Cody Ross with SFG in 10 where the small sample is the real star of the show.

The majority of deadline moves are contenders trying to patch holes without sacrificing their future, because at the end of the day all you’re really acquiring in most cases is a couple months of an average-ish player for reinforcements.

Here is a list of every player traded last deadline along with their production post deadline…

HITTERS

Andrus (191 PA | 119 wRC+ | 2.0 WAR)
Reese (108 PA | 145 wRC+ | 1.3 WAR)
BetCrt (151 PA | 101 wRC+ | 1.2 WAR)
Siri (178 PA | 93 wRC+ | 1.2 WAR)
Soto (228 PA | 130 wRC+ | 0.9 WAR)
BenTen (131 PA | 111 wRC+ | 0.8 WAR)
Marsh (138 PA | 114 wRC+ | 0.6 WAR)
Drury (183 PA | 105 wRC+ | 0.3 WAR)
Peralta (180 PA | 91 wRC+ | 0.2 WAR)
Bell (210 PA | 79 wRC+ | -0.5 WAR)

[waiver claim Andrus, two catchers and a glove first CF provided more value than Soto. 2nd best big bat Bell tanked.]

STARTERS

Quintana (62 IP | 52 ERA- | 2.1 WAR)
Mntgmry (63 IP | 80 ERA- | 1.4 WAR)
Castillo (65 IP | 86 ERA- | 1.2 WAR)
Thor (52 IP | 105 ERA- | 0.7 WAR)
Mahle (16 IP | 115 ERA- | 0.2 WAR)
Odorizzi (46 IP | 127 ERA- | 0.0 WAR)
Montas (39 IP | 165 ERA- | -0.5 WAR)

[washed Quintana provided more value than prime Castillo]

RELIEVERS

Iglesias (26 IP | 8 ERA- | 1.4 WAR)
Martin (24 IP | 37 ERA- | 1.1 WAR)
Bass (25 IP | 45 ERA- | 0.9 WAR)
Rbrtsn (23 IP | 66 ERA- | 0.6 WAR)
Pop (19 IP | 49 ERA- | 0.5 WAR)
Stratton (22 IP | 72 ERA- | 0.3 WAR)
Fulmer (24 IP | 97 ERA- | 0.3 WAR)
Effross (12 IP | 55 ERA- | 0.3 WAR)
Lopez (22 IP | 114 ERA- | 0.0 WAR)
Bush (23 IP | 106 ERA- | -0.4 WAR)
Rogers (23 IP | 135 ERA- | -0.6 WAR)
Hader (16 IP | 189 ERA- | -0.9 WAR)

[“best” reliever traded at deadline pitched the worst]

[Underachiever]

2 hours ago, Brewin said:

How could this possibly be true????...if you follow the negativity on this board Candelario was a HOF add and Canha was a useless spare part.

It's almost like you can't judge trade deadline activity after one week...

 

As someone who wanted Candelario, I was very critical initially. Each harmless Canha popup in the first few games was frustrating. I am thrilled that Canha and Santana have come on, but there is no doubt that Candelario would have been a good add as well.

I cheer for the Brewers. I want all of them to succeed. For example, I pull for Adames to come up big, even though I suspect he will flail away at a cutter out of the strike zone, as he often does. And I will be frustrated with him when he does that.

I just have to say, It's almost like you cannot judge trade deadline activity after one month...

[owbc]

I assume we're going to be picking up Canha's 11.5M option, right???