The Angels just released their entire team (just about)

[nate82]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Bader has not "absolutely sucked", either. He crushes lefties and plays an elite CF. That's useful for most contenders and the Yankees would not have released him otherwise. 

He has absolutely sucked this year a 78 WRc+ means he has absolutely sucked this year regardless of how well he has hit lefties.  Overall he has absolutely sucked this year.  His advanced stats back this all up as he is bottom of the league in nearly everything outside of defense. 

[Brewcrew82]

32 minutes ago, nate82 said:

He has absolutely sucked this year a 78 WRc+ means he has absolutely sucked this year regardless of how well he has hit lefties.  Overall he has absolutely sucked this year.  His advanced stats back this all up as he is bottom of the league in nearly everything outside of defense. 

"Absolutely sucks" in my perspective, at least, is someone like Winker who has a negative WAR (or close to it) and has zero value to any team at this point...

Bader has already equaled his fWAR (1.4) from last year (when he was worth someone such as Jordan Montgomery) and still crushes lefties and plays elite CF defense. If the Yankees viewed themselves as a contender or had a plethora of outfield depth (they don't), they wouldn't be making this move. In that light, they're not suddenly going to start adding salary, after having just cleared it, by picking up Giolito for the rest of the season for an extra win or two. 

[patrickgpe]

Clevinger would be a nice pickup too. 

Question, could say the Tigers claim and be awarded every player or is the WW system similar to Fantasy Football. A day like today is just unprecedented so I wasn’t sure. 

[tmwiese55]

Really wouldn't surprise me at all if the Brewers could fix Gialito into a good bullpen piece to finish the year.  Won't happen, but him falling to MKE and how good they are at this type of thing would probably be the best thing for his career.   Drew Pomeranz should be giving the Brewers an agent's cut every year.    And if they got him, helped him, creating a good relationship maybe could be a good cheap one year 'prove it' deal for us next year to replace some likely lost depth people such as Lauer, Houser, etc or others who might be gone.

[BrewerFan]

33 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Just because they dropped Donaldson why would that have any impact on picking up someone like Giolito?  Donaldson has sucked horribly this year it is surprising they have kept him for this long.

They're 11 games out of the WC and 63-68.

Why are they adding a rental?

[nate82]

8 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

Question, could say the Tigers claim and be awarded every player or is the WW system similar to Fantasy Football. A day like today is just unprecedented so I wasn’t sure. 

Nothing in the MLB rule book that is publicly available that I could find.  So your guess is as good as mine. 

[yourout]

1 hour ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The Angels, which have a bottom 5 farm system to begin with, just gave up some of their top prospects (one a top 100 prospect) to get these guys....

And are set to lose Ohtani in FA, with an increasingly injured Trout possessing a full no trade clause and Rendon still owed $115 million over the next three seasons....

Yikes.....rough road ahead for them.

[markedman5]

26 minutes ago, nate82 said:

He has absolutely sucked this year a 78 WRc+ means he has absolutely sucked this year regardless of how well he has hit lefties.  Overall he has absolutely sucked this year.  His advanced stats back this all up as he is bottom of the league in nearly everything outside of defense. 

The Yankees have less then a 1% chance to make the playoffs according to both Fangraphs and BR…….if you were in charge would you be picking up a player that adds to your already luxury tax level payroll and if so for what purpose? 

[Playing Catch]

32 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Nothing in the MLB rule book that is publicly available that I could find.  So your guess is as good as mine. 

If that's the case, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in one of those borderline WC teams' front offices...

Assistant to the assistant GM: "Passan reporting that the Angels just released a bunch of regulars."

GM to Assistant GM: "So how many 40-man spots are open for waiver-wire pickups?"

[Playing Catch]

So why don't the Angels REALLY convince Ohtani to stay and release him, too?! Give him a chance! He'll almost certainly return the goodwill in the offseason.

[patrickgpe]

47 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Nothing in the MLB rule book that is publicly available that I could find.  So your guess is as good as mine. 

Kind of what I figured, I doubt 5 players of this caliber along with the players on the and Yanks were all released on the same day. 

[patrickgpe]

The funny thing is that if a team did this in fantasy baseball, most commissioners would not allow it, but the Angles are allowed to shake up the hunt for the playoffs by these moves. 

[TURBO]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

"Absolutely sucks" in my perspective, at least, is someone like Winker who has a negative WAR (or close to it) and has zero value to any team at this point...

Bader has already equaled his fWAR (1.4) from last year (when he was worth someone such as Jordan Montgomery) and still crushes lefties and plays elite CF defense. If the Yankees viewed themselves as a contender or had a plethora of outfield depth (they don't), they wouldn't be making this move. In that light, they're not suddenly going to start adding salary, after having just cleared it, by picking up Giolito for the rest of the season for an extra win or two. 

c'mon man.

Bader has sucked this year, badly.

 

[KurtRussell]

Bader (smashes lefties) and Moore would fill some gaping holes on this year’s squad. 

[sveumrules]

4 minutes ago, TURBO said:

c'mon man.

Bader has sucked this year, badly.

 

There are 293 players with at least 250 PAs this year.

Bader’s 1.4 WAR puts him in a twelve way tie for 142nd place (on the high end) or 153rd place (on the low end), literally smack dab in the middle of the sample. Below average offense plus above average CF defense = an average-ish player.  

Players that have actually sucked badly this year would be guys like Jurickson Profar (-1.9 WAR), Enrique Hernandez (-1.5 WAR), Jean Segura (-1.3 WAR), Harold Castro (-1.2 WAR), Eric Haase (-1.2 WAR), Nick Maton (-1.1 WAR), Jose Abreu (-1.0 WAR), Winker (-0.8 WAR), etc

[sveumrules]

@patrickgpe came up with acute title for this thread. I don’t think I’m being obtuse when I say that’s just not right.

[patrickgpe]

1 minute ago, sveumrules said:

@patrickgpe came up with acute title for this thread. I don’t think I’m being obtuse when I say that’s just not right.

If mlb had a strong commissioner he wouldn’t allow it. Stearn would have stepped in back in the day if an nba team released a quarter of their roster a month before the end of the season 

[JosephC]

This would have been much more interesting if pea-brained Manfred hadn't killed the August waiver trades.

[endaround]

This thread is hilarious.  If the Brewers did something similar the hosannas here about the genius of the Brewers front office would be deafening. The Angels are about to save millions in salary which normally causes people here to get really excited ("think of all the overseas singings this will pay for!") and will push them under the salary tax meaning they will improve their draft position significantly if they do lose Ohtani.

Are the rules bad? Yeah, but that isn't the Angel's fault that MLB powers wanted there to be only one trade deadline and didn't think things through about the new waiver rules.

[patrickgpe]

Brewers sit 25th in ww priority. I can confirm there is no limit on how many players a team claims before priority moves to the next team. Teams like the reds can really improve their team on Thursday. 

[StearnsFTW]

2 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

They're 11 games out of the WC and 63-68.

Why are they adding a rental?

They aren't. It's a ridiculous notion.

[Ewitkows1]

I wouldn't be surprised to learn that we put winker on the list too.

[Never Outhustled]

12 hours ago, patrickgpe said:

Clevinger would be a nice pickup 

 

True, but he has a $4 million buyout in the offseason as part of a mutual option, so he's a really expensive pickup for 4 or 5 starts.

[Jopal78]

I hope somebody claims Renfroe so he can be on his sixth team in five years and next spring will be his 7th team. He’s got a shot to get into double digits on teams played for. 

[patrickgpe]

11 hours ago, endaround said:

This thread is hilarious.  If the Brewers did something similar the hosannas here about the genius of the Brewers front office would be deafening. The Angels are about to save millions in salary which normally causes people here to get really excited ("think of all the overseas singings this will pay for!") and will push them under the salary tax meaning they will improve their draft position significantly if they do lose Ohtani.

Are the rules bad? Yeah, but that isn't the Angel's fault that MLB powers wanted there to be only one trade deadline and didn't think things through about the new waiver rules.

I don't know, maybe brewers fans would be, maybe not. I think the 2 points of this thread is that this really against the spirit of competition, because you have changed the WC race somewhat and that this is what happens when MLB got rid of the 2nd trade deadline. Normally teams that were out would put their players on revocable waivers and sold to the higest bidder, not just let a team like the Reds redo their pen for the cost of 1 month salary and the WW fee.