Chourio to AAA?

[sveumrules]

10 hours ago, Brian said:

Wiemer is a Luis Urias all over again. Remember him?

Luis Urias is a 5’10” infielder from Mexico whose biggest asset as a prospect was his hit tool.

Joey Wiemer is a 6’4” outfielder from Ohio whose biggest question as a prospect is his hit tool.

I guess I’m struggling to see the commonalities here.

[jay87shot]

I would say no for now but if he is struggling for another week I would say yes. I know the Brewers don't want to mess with the 40 man roster spot but Joey Wiemer should have never been called up Brewer Hicklen has been great in AAA and spring training and has earned a mlb shot.

[Bryn Upton]

I think it is funny for those saying to send him "Back to AAA" because he only had 6 games and 24 plate appearances at AAA, it is the place he played the least. That said, these are the ups and downs that were expected and he has not looked lost at the plate or in the field. He has some similar numbers to Joey Wiemer from last year with regard to hard hit rate and strikeout rate, but Wiemer's mechanics looked way off at times last year and so far Churio looks more comfortable in his mechanics. It is a smaller sample size but I do not see a need to panic with Churio. Churio appears to hit to the opposite field a little better than Wiemer but so many of the numbers look similar so far. Wiemer struggled last season, especially as teams got to know him, we will see if that will be the case for Churio.  

The real test will be if Churio can make adjustments throughout the season.

[Sixtolezcano]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

 

PS-I know it's been said, but...these are the faces of the franchise. It's not Yellach and Churo, it's Yellich and Chourio. 

LOL…… I see what you did with Yelich’s spelling.

[Brian]

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9 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I don't care if he was compared to Jackson Holiday...and it was hard to tell you were talking about Wiemer until you edited and wait Wiemer.  The person you were responding to clearly seemed to be talking about Chourio(the subject of the thread).

Jackson Holliday doesn't have anything to do with Chourio. AGAIN, Chourio is signed. No service time issues. He's hitting the ball hard. It makes actual sense for the Os to send Holliday back down. Not only was his OPS .170, he'd gotten on base 4 times in 36 PAs, but he was striking out 50% of the time and...again, and this is real important, they have an incentive to send him down.

Chourio is adjusting, not struggling anywhere nearly as bad as him and the Brewers have no financial or team control incentive to send him back down.

This is after Chourio had arguably the best at bats of the season. 

So I'll echo what the guy talking about Chourio said;

Even there, I'm not sure he's lost confidence. 

 

PS-I know it's been said, but...these are the faces of the franchise. It's not Yellach and Churo, it's Yellich and Chourio. 

 

The mis-spelling was an accident, you talk as if being sent back down is a punichment. Alex Rodriguez was sent back down when he was young, it happens. 

[MrTPlush]

Honestly, I would give him at least 200 ABs or so. If he still isn't improving and repping a .600 OPS....then yah, maybe a break is a good idea. 

[homer]

7 hours ago, MrTPlush said:

Honestly, I would give him at least 200 ABs or so. If he still isn't improving and repping a .600 OPS....then yah, maybe a break is a good idea. 

Yeah he showed an ability to adjust in the minors after starting slow following a promotion. He should be given that opportunity in the bigs.

[tmwiese55]

I'd guess the best spot for him is AAA for a month or so.  However, there is no one else better than him and Weimer needs to be down long before him.  So, chances are even when Yeli is back and if Perkins keeps hitting Chourio will be up all year. Which is fine, he's obviously not doing great but he's not completely overwhelmed either. 

Not sure I get the Weimer/Urias comp at all. First position etc, but remember Urias was actually legit good for a year before falling off. Just not a lot line up in the comparison at all. 

[edfunderburk]

12 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

No. He's barely 20, and is experiencing an adjustment period, as guys like Julio Rodriguez, Bobby Witt Jr, Elly de la Cruz, etc. did before him. When you pay a guy $80 mil, you have to give him every opportunity to figure it out in the majors. He's always adjusted at every step of the minors. This is just the biggest adjustment of them all, as we are currently witnessing.

I think today he put together perhaps the best 5 consecutive at-bats of his career. Worked the count, swung at his pitches, and had hard hit balls 3/5 times, with a fourth being a 3 run HR in 8/30 ballparks. 

I’ve been surprised at his poor defense too. He simply missed a catchable line drive in the Yankees series - appeared to come in too far & it sailed past him … looked really bad on TV.  

I understand that he’s super talented but extremely young & inexperienced. Hopefully, he will get hot with the bat soon - he appears to be lacking confidence recently. 

Long-term, I believe he will be a very good player. It makes sense that 2024 was going to be a learning year - but overall, I’ve been a little underwhelmed … probably because of all the fanfare before he arrived. 

You can tell he never played in AAA. 

[sveumrules]

49 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

I’ve been surprised at his poor defense too.

Small sample so far, but StatCast has him at +2 Outs Above Average on the year.

He also only ever played 15 games in RF (4 in AA, 4 in AAA, 8 in Winter League) coming into the year, so still learning on the job there too.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

 

You can tell he never played in AAA. 

To me that's the common thread btwn him & Weimer, and I think it's really hurt Joey. Chourio seems much better able to handle the skip. But he's caught up in that malaise right now where he's often taking strikes & swinging at balls and always seems to be 0-2.

But I like how he's often consciously trying to go to RF, it's obvious when you watch him at the plate. He hit a few balls hard this weekend. There just seems to be a presence about him---it's like he's frustrated, but he knows it's going to turn around. Not hopes, KNOWS. Just a case of adjusting to the book that's out on him.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, sveumrules said:

 

He also only ever played 15 games in RF (4 in AA, 4 in AAA, 8 in Winter League) coming into the year, so still learning on the job there too.

Nice factoid. I didn't know it was that few.

[Brian]

5 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Luis Urias is a 5’10” infielder from Mexico whose biggest asset as a prospect was his hit tool.

Joey Wiemer is a 6’4” outfielder from Ohio whose biggest question as a prospect is his hit tool.

I guess I’m struggling to see the commonalities here.

The commonalitie is neither can hit. Where did you get we were talking about size or nationality. 

[sveumrules]

3 minutes ago, Brian said:

The commonalitie is neither can hit. Where did you get we were talking about size or nationality. 

Luis Urias hit 239/335/403 (104 wRC+) with a 10.6 BB% and 21.3 K% with the Brewers.

Joey Wiemer has hit 200/277/351 (71 wRC+) with an 8.6 BB% and 28.7 K% with the Brewers.

Still not seeing the similarity. 

[owbc]

I'm fine with him OPSing in the .600-.650 range all season with regular playing time. 

I suspect he'll climb above .700 by the all-star break. If not, then we can re-evaluate, especially if we are in contention and there is a better option. 

[treego14]

56 minutes ago, Brian said:

The commonalitie is neither can hit. Where did you get we were talking about size or nationality. 

They are both right-handed.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, Brian said:

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The mis-spelling was an accident, you talk as if being sent back down is a punichment. Alex Rodriguez was sent back down when he was young, it happens. 

You seem to confuse my disagreeing with you with regards to sending down Chourio, who is signed and here either way, as ignorance that "it happens," and some prospects are sent down. Not sure why that is, don't care. ARod is about as relevant as Holliday here.

Has nothing to do with Chourio. 

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[JohnBriggs12]

You send him down because when Yelich returns the 3 best OF right now are Yelich, Perkins and Frelick.  Chourio needs to play almost every day regardless of level.  The case can be made that minor league teams exist for the purpose of developing major league players but major league teams object is to win as many games as possible, particularly a team currently leading their division.  

A strong case could also be made that Black deserves the spot currently held by Dunn, but I suspect Brewer brass prefers Black playing every day.

[long ball]

I know the Brewers are off to a nice start this season, but most of us thought this was probably a .500 team or worse. I still think is a transition season where it's more important to develop our young players at the big league level rather than chasing marginally production by replacing Chourio with someone else.

Let the kid learn at the big league level and keep trotting him out there 5-6 games per week. 

[Brewcrew82]

24 minutes ago, long ball said:

I know the Brewers are off to a nice start this season, but most of us thought this was probably a .500 team or worse. I still think is a transition season where it's more important to develop our young players at the big league level rather than chasing marginally production by replacing Chourio with someone else.

Let the kid learn at the big league level and keep trotting him out there 5-6 games per week. 

100% this. 

[rickh150]

40 minutes ago, long ball said:

I know the Brewers are off to a nice start this season, but most of us thought this was probably a .500 team or worse. I still think is a transition season where it's more important to develop our young players at the big league level rather than chasing marginally production by replacing Chourio with someone else.

Let the kid learn at the big league level and keep trotting him out there 5-6 games per week. 

If we are trying to win, we cannot afford poor hitters out there regularly. I hate the idea of playing him because we gotta almost as much as not playing/promoting good hitting prospects at areas of need.

So give him a month yet….he actually wasn’t hitting that well last year until about halfway through the seasOn. 

[long ball]

1 hour ago, rickh150 said:

If we are trying to win, we cannot afford poor hitters out there regularly. I hate the idea of playing him because we gotta almost as much as not playing/promoting good hitting prospects at areas of need.

So give him a month yet….he actually wasn’t hitting that well last year until about halfway through the seasOn. 

Are they truly trying to win? They cut payroll by like 15%. Then they replaced Burnes and Woodruff with a guy who hasn't pitched in the big leagues since 2021 and 2 relievers.  The Brewers may very well stay in contention all year and even make the playoffs, I hope they do. I just hope they do it while letting the young guys play. 

[shanedog19]

I would rather call up Tyler Black and DFA Bauers and keep with the youth movement.

[homer]

Chourio's numbers since June 1:

316/363/523/886

 

 

[Playing Catch]

Yeah, right now, he's their best hitter. He'll be batting third* for a long while.

*I know modern convention has your best hitter batting 2nd, but I really prefer a lefty batting second, since then the first basemen has to hold the runner at 1st, thus opening up the left side of the infield.