When Mitchell is ready...

[formerlybis]

For those who follow this closer, with Mitchell close to being available, how does the club/Murphy see the outfield in the short/medium term? Perkins seems like more of a known commodity at this point, and he's useful. Mitchell has had bad injury luck, but I'm not sure I would mess with what seems to be working. You could play them both (I think), but that would likely come at Chourio's expense (I won't beat that dead horse). Maybe DH Yelich a little more? I'm curious what others think.

(following the suggestion of the moderator to start a new thread rather than discuss it in the IGT)

[Underachiever]

I thought the date I saw for his return was June 17. Assuming some Nashville time, I don't know if he is returning to MKE for close to another month. So much can happen in that time. 

I'm also about as skeptical of Mitchell's potential contributions as anyone on this forum. 

Edit: I see he is expected to be back with the Brewers on 17th, so I assume that means he starts his rehab before that. 

[young guns]

I wouldn't be against chourio going down when Mitchell is back.  He could use some 3A time, but right now nobody else is better or on the 40 to take his spot.

[rickh150]

I can see both Mitchell and even Hoskins getting several games in Appleton. Not as much of a rush to bring them up now. And yep, Chourio could be the odd man out n the outfield….at least for the short term.

[Jim French Stepstool]

I don't see them replacing Chourio with Mitchell. I know some on here don't seem to think this is a big deal, but if they did that you'd have four OFs, three hit from the left side & one is a switch hitter that is stronger from the left side. And when Hoskins comes back you can sometimes throw Bauers out there, who hits from.........the left side.

Chourios' struggles & Wiemer doing next to nothing so far have caused a little bit of a.........I won't say problem, but someone that can at least fill a Tyrone Taylor-type role wouldn't hurt. And there are four months left to go. It still could be Chourio.

[wallus]

When Mitchell comes back, starters should be Yelich, Mitchell and Frelick/Perkins. Send down Chourio and we can have Wiemer be the 5th outfielder if you need an extra RH bat.

[brewcrewdue80]

1 hour ago, wallus said:

When Mitchell comes back, starters should be Yelich, Mitchell and Frelick/Perkins. Send down Chourio and we can have Wiemer be the 5th outfielder if you need an extra RH bat.

Service time is set with Chourio, so Wiemer being sent down makes more sense.

[jay87shot]

Mitchell will likely need like 2 weeks of minor league starts, basically spring training. I would advocate for both Chourio and Weimer in AAA. Yeli, Perk, Mitchell, Sal is enough in the OF especially with Bauers and Miller with the big league club. Hopefully Chourio only would need a week or two just to reset himself and find more success. 

 

[Underachiever]

As my first post made clear, I don't understand if the thought is Mitchell comes off the IL on the 17th and then will need time in the minors, or if the plan is to activate him sooner and have him back with the big league team on the 17th. Anyone?

[Stealofhome]

32 minutes ago, Underachiever said:

As my first post made clear, I don't understand if the thought is Mitchell comes off the IL on the 17th and then will need time in the minors, or if the plan is to activate him sooner and have him back with the big league team on the 17th. Anyone?

Per Todd Rosiak on May 22,

Garrett Mitchell begins taking swings off a tee Friday in Boston. Next major steps would be Arizona to accrue ABs and then a minor-league rehab stint. Mitchell's goal is a return to the field in the Angels series in Anaheim on June 17.

[edfunderburk]

11 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Chourio could be the odd man out n the outfield … at least for the short term

Chourio’s future is bright - but he is struggling right now. I believe he would benefit by extended time Nashville to work with Leboeuf & get right for a late season playoff tun in Milwaukee. 

[MoreTrife]

9 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Service time is set with Chourio, so Wiemer being sent down makes more sense.

And Wiemer is bad...

But we do need a RH bat out there.

[tmwiese55]

20 minutes ago, MoreTrife said:

And Wiemer is bad...

But we do need a RH bat out there.

With the lead they have and the state of the division they should be looking to add a Taylor/Canha level RH OF bat to finish the year.   With the WS still being a longshot due to LA/ATL/PHI you don't need to chase a big name or anyone that would cost legit prospect capital. Just a proven RH league avg OFer who's fine at D.   Add that person and Hoskins and you have a descent and deep lineup most days.

Other things to note in this discussion, if his target is the 17th thats still several weeks where someone else can get hurt or even he has a delay of some kind.   Someone always gets hurt though.

I agree Chourio could use a 2-4 week breather to clear his head.  Go back down, work on things, see himself hitting well again to get feeling right/confident again and then come back.   But yea, with no other RH options it probably can't happen unless they trade for someone. 

[wildcat83]

2 hours ago, Underachiever said:

As my first post made clear, I don't understand if the thought is Mitchell comes off the IL on the 17th and then will need time in the minors, or if the plan is to activate him sooner and have him back with the big league team on the 17th. Anyone?

Players can go on a rehab assignment without being activated.  They would not need to activate him until the day he is going to play in the majors.  Position players get up to 20 days and pitchers up to 30 days of rehab assignment.

[wallus]

17 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Service time is set with Chourio, so Wiemer being sent down makes more sense.

Nothing to do with service time, Chourio could use a little re-set. Let him get some confidence back in AAA and come back when he can be more productive. 

[igor67]

I agree with getting Jackson a break, maybe even a long one to really get settled, and at present a professional RH OFer is a solid value play for the team. With the lead not a huge urge to have to do something right away as Jackson or Weimer could put it together in the next 2 months, but for the stretch run and playoffs you don't want to give ABs away.

[thebruce44]

I don't see a scenario where Chourio goes to AAA. From top to bottom (Mark A to Pat M) they have said over and over again its his time to learn at the MLB level. I don't know that I agree or disagree, but the organization has been very clear in their stance.

They have also shown that, when healthy, Mitchell is going to play.

The obvious move is to play the kids over relatively old Perkins, but that is tough given how he has been playing and that this franchise operated on speedy outfielders figuring it out later under Doug Melvin. I really wish they could get Yelich to buy into 1b and DH. His defense isn't bad, but we are beyond lucky to have 5 elite upside defensive MLB CFs-- Perkins, Frelick, Chourio, Michell, Wiemer.

[Team Canada]

1 hour ago, thebruce44 said:

don't see a scenario where Chourio goes to AAA

Apparently neither does Mark A. In the Brewers.com article from today from his media session, he said he doesn't see what Chourio is going to learn in AAA at this point.

[wiguy94]

Personally, I think Perkins has earned the right to be the starting CF until he fails. His defense in CF is that good. Mitchell has basically played no baseball the last 2 years. I don't think he deserves to immediately be given a starting role or even be in the MLB coming off playing a total of 27 regular season games since the start of last year between the minors and MLB. Frelick's bat is also starting to heat up and Chourio needs to play 4-5 days a week. I just don't see a spot for Mitchell right now. 

[igor67]

I would definitely want to see Mitchell on a rehab assignment, but he has done enough that if he looks ready and productive in game action I have no issue optioning Chourio for a bit. 

[Playing Catch]

In a way, Chourio has less pressure in MLB batting ninth, and getting to watch a couple days a week than he would playing in AAA. I mean, if he starts struggling down there, that would not be good.

Every player is different. I'm sure Willy and Willy have a good sense as to how Chourio is handling things, and I'm guessing Murphy has a good pulse on that stuff, too. As long as the team is winning, having Chourio as the 4th OFer is kind of a nice way to enter the big leagues w/o tons of pressure to perform.

[formerlybis]

Any thoughts about using the surplus of OFs in a trade for something they need? 

[sveumrules]

19 hours ago, formerlybis said:

Any thoughts about using the surplus of OFs in a trade for something they need? 

Yelich and Chourio aren’t going anywhere.

Mitchell doesn’t really have any value until he proves can stay healthy and productive for more than a month or two at MLB.

That leaves Perkins or Frelick as the only two real trade candidates.

Problem with dealing one of them is if Mitchell or Yelich get hurt again you’re back into the territory of having guys like Bauer, Wiemer or Roller as the 4th OF.

I like the Brewers depth in the OF, but with Chourio learning on the job and Yelich/Mitchell being varying degrees of health risks, I think it’s still tenuous enough that they won’t look to maybe move anyone until the offseason.

[edfunderburk]

On 5/31/2024 at 11:02 PM, thebruce44 said:

I really wish they could get Yelich to buy into 1B and DH

I will never understand why an employer (the Brewers) can’t “require” a player (Yelich) to move to 1B & make room for younger, faster players in LF

I believe Black could be another LF candidate - if only Yelich would put the “team” first & move to IB & DH

He has history there (high school, I believe)

We have Hoskins in Milwaukee because Harper (younger & better than Yelich) was willing to move there & learn the position

And yes - I’m aware that Yelich has “back issues” & 1B requires bending over, etc.

I’m also aware that Yelich is an average defensive LF with a less than average arm (although improved some)

[Thurston Fluff]

If we keep Mitchell down all season would we gain a year of service time? It would be a way to recoup some lost value due to injuries.