Impending Roster Crunch?

[LouisEly]

Put this in the IGT, but it's a legitimate question for discussion.

With Williams, Koenig, Ross, and Hall due back soon, who do you remove from the roster?

Starters: Peralta, Rea, Civale, Myers

Relievers: Megill, Hudson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Junis, Wilson, Zastryzny

Assuming Kuhnel is the first to go, then who?

Is Zastryzny a better option than Milner?  Does Milner have enough recent success to have trade value, even for a low-level lotto ticket or PTBNL?  Same w/Payamps, does he have enough recent success over the last 3 years to fetch a prospect/PTBNL?  That's only three... who's the fourth?  Option Hall until 9/1?

With not starting until the Saturday after the All-Star break they won't need a 5th starter until Wed 7/24, and could bullpen/piggy-back that game (Hall/Wilson + Junis?) as they have an off-day on Thurs 7/25, thus not needing a 5th starter until Wed 7/30... right before the trade deadline.

My guess is that at least one of Milner or Payamps gets traded.

 

[ClosetBrewerFan]

3 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Put this in the IGT, but it's a legitimate question for discussion.

With Williams, Koenig, Ross, and Hall due back soon, who do you remove from the roster?

Starters: Peralta, Rea, Civale, Myers

Relievers: Megill, Hudson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Junis, Wilson, Zastryzny

Assuming Kuhnel is the first to go, then who?

I'll play along.  Zastrynzny and Kuhnel DFA'd opening up both 40 man and 26 man spots for Devin and Ross. Junis and Herget DFA'd opening up 40 man spots for Hall and Koenig. Koenig to the 26 man roster with either Peguero or Milner optioned to AAA. DL Hall to AAA.

There is a good chance a trade happens to make room as well but this scenario would work.

[brewmann04]

I can see the brewers moving an reliever and of 

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, ClosetBrewerFan said:

Junis and Herget DFA'd

I can't see the Brewers DFA'ing a guy they gave $7M to (unless he's been a lot worse than Junis has been this year).

[liveforoctober]

If I was another club I'd be sending Brewers low level prospect offers for Wiemer. Brewers are jammed up in the OF and need the roster space.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

6 hours ago, LouisEly said:

I can't see the Brewers DFA'ing a guy they gave $7M to (unless he's been a lot worse than Junis has been this year).

Sorry.  I meant Junk, not Junis.

[Jopal78]

13 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Put this in the IGT, but it's a legitimate question for discussion.

With Williams, Koenig, Ross, and Hall due back soon, who do you remove from the roster?

Starters: Peralta, Rea, Civale, Myers

Relievers: Megill, Hudson, Payamps, Peguero, Milner, Junis, Wilson, Zastryzny

Assuming Kuhnel is the first to go, then who?

Is Zastryzny a better option than Milner?  Does Milner have enough recent success to have trade value, even for a low-level lotto ticket or PTBNL?  Same w/Payamps, does he have enough recent success over the last 3 years to fetch a prospect/PTBNL?  That's only three... who's the fourth?  Option Hall until 9/1?

With not starting until the Saturday after the All-Star break they won't need a 5th starter until Wed 7/24, and could bullpen/piggy-back that game (Hall/Wilson + Junis?) as they have an off-day on Thurs 7/25, thus not needing a 5th starter until Wed 7/30... right before the trade deadline.

My guess is that at least one of Milner or Payamps gets traded.

 

Nobody is going to trade for a middle reliever with an ERA approaching 5.  Nothing about the profile of either pitcher is that enticing either to warrant trading for them over simply trying to claim them off waivers if the Brewers go that route. 
 

When Koenig is back healthy I could see them simply DFA’ing them both.  

[CheezWizHed]

Milner has been getting hit pretty hard this year and might be time to go. I doubt the 33-year-old has trade value except he is left-handed... But he seems to be regressing back to his pre-2022 days.

Payamps and Peguero: might be time to shop one of these guys too. Peguero frustrates me.  For a guy that has so much speed and movement on his FB, he throws most of them 3 inches below the zone. Payamps should have some trade value but isn't unreplaceable.  Having a down year this year, but I would guess he returns to his norms. Still, he is replaceable. 

[wallus]

It is shaping up to have multiple guys that should go multiple innings which I like. You have Hudson and Hall from the left side and Junis and Wilson from the right. I hope this is the plan and I am surprised other teams haven't tried it.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Nobody is going to trade for a middle reliever with an ERA approaching 5.  Nothing about the profile of either pitcher is that enticing either to warrant trading for them over simply trying to claim them off waivers if the Brewers go that route. 
 

When Koenig is back healthy I could see them simply DFA’ing them both.  

Nothing about this profile is enticing?

[Thurston Fluff]

I could see a couple of our relievers being added to a trade for a starter. Not because the team wants them but to even out the money and roster situation. A, if you really want one our minor league players you have to take one or two of our excess relievers, type of thing.

[umphrey]

Our 8th and 9th best relievers aren't going to have any trade value, I'm surprised that's controversial 😂. You guys can keep trying to sell them though and we'll hope that some other GMs read it. 

[Brian]

We could even trade some of our minor league guys like Aaron Ashby but not much trade value there either. 

[Jopal78]

52 minutes ago, Brian said:

We could even trade some of our minor league guys like Aaron Ashby but not much trade value there either. 

Ashby? He has 18 million guaranteed dollars remaining on his contract and an ERA near 8.00 in AAA with nearly 8 BB/9.

Given the results to date, until Ashby proves otherwise we can assume his shoulder injury was career ending as a major leaguer.   

[Outlander]

Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Ashby was one of the guys DFA to make room for others getting off the 60 day IL. Doesn't mean the Brewers gave up on him but gives them more flexiblity since Ashby likely wouldn't  get claimed.

[brewcrewdue80]

Bumb Chris Roller, Kevin Herbet, and Zastryzxy of the 40man. 3 spots right there.  Is Ashby out of options for next season?  If not the team likely sticks with him vs. Signing off what they'd owe him.  Joe Ross is one to move if returning before trade deadline. An add on towards salary dump having a decent year on a bad team.

[sveumrules]

3 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Bumb Chris Roller

Chris Roller was already DFA’d on June 29th.

[Thurston Fluff]

22 hours ago, umphrey said:

Our 8th and 9th best relievers aren't going to have any trade value, I'm surprised that's controversial 😂. You guys can keep trying to sell them though and we'll hope that some other GMs read it. 

Even if nobody wants them might be willing to take them as part of a trade to get a prospect they like. The other advantage for a bad team trading a starting pitcher is they'd get some stopgap pitching in return.

[brewcrewdue80]

4 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Chris Roller was already DFA’d on June 29th.

Interesting. Oh I misread Bref/remembered wrong. Vinny Capra is right above Roller and shows 40man. That's who I was intending to say. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, Thurston Fluff said:

Even if nobody wants them might be willing to take them as part of a trade to get a prospect they like. The other advantage for a bad team trading a starting pitcher is they'd get some stopgap pitching in return.

Exactly. You aren't dealing someone in that scenario b/c the other team wants them, it's to complete the deal. Like the reliever we picked up in the Hader trade whose name I've already forgotten.

As for the rest of it, I feel they'd love to work out some sort of roster magic that allows them to keep Zastryzny but it'll be a challenge. In the meantime, like @LouisElypointed out, they can theoretically go until the end of the month w/o a 5th starter. Assuming no trade, that'll probably be the strategy as it keeps them from having to find a way to add someone like Chad Patrick to the 40-man.

[brewmann04]

The draft was a nice side note  but now its time For Mr. Arnold to get those phones working and find out what needed to get us to the WS.

[Jopal78]

7 hours ago, Thurston Fluff said:

Even if nobody wants them might be willing to take them as part of a trade to get a prospect they like. The other advantage for a bad team trading a starting pitcher is they'd get some stopgap pitching in return.

But it doesn’t really work that way except in salary dump type of situations. For example, the Brewers wouldn’t include a better prospect just to move a middling middle reliever. The pipeline of young cheap talent is too important to a small market club.
 

Likewise, why would any losing club want someone like Milner, for example, in a trade? He’d add about 900,000 for the  20 games he’d pitch in 2024. Then they’d have to give him a raise in arbitration or be forced to non-tender him. 
 

These teams all have a pretty good idea  who is on the roster bubble with other clubs, so it is  not very  likely they pay in terms of talent and assumed salary for a player they might be able to pick up for the prorated major league minimum if and when they’re dropped from their current club. 

[RWeeksFan23]

On 7/15/2024 at 9:16 AM, wiguy94 said:

Nothing about this profile is enticing?

which player is this?

[Frisbee Slider]

6 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

which player is this?

I assume Milner

[Thurston Fluff]

16 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

But it doesn’t really work that way except in salary dump type of situations. For example, the Brewers wouldn’t include a better prospect just to move a middling middle reliever. The pipeline of young cheap talent is too important to a small market club.
 

Likewise, why would any losing club want someone like Milner, for example, in a trade? He’d add about 900,000 for the  20 games he’d pitch in 2024. Then they’d have to give him a raise in arbitration or be forced to non-tender him. 
 

These teams all have a pretty good idea  who is on the roster bubble with other clubs, so it is  not very  likely they pay in terms of talent and assumed salary for a player they might be able to pick up for the prorated major league minimum if and when they’re dropped from their current club. 

 There are a lot of reasons a team may accept a veteran reliever as part of a trade package. Teams often trade players simply to even out the money. They also trade when they don't want to push a prospect too fast. Especially teams looking at total rebuilds or know they're more than a year or two away. They may also hope a reliever who has a year or more of control with some record of success gets hot in the second half and creates some trade value.

Take Milner for example. A team like the White Sox can offer him arbitration, shop him around to see if there are any takers. If not they can cut him or keep him and see if he rebounds for next season's deadline. If he doesn't, they weren't going to contend anyway. All they lose is a few million. For them it's not a big deal. What is certain is the only way to squeeze another player out of the original trade is to have him on the roster.