2024 Magic Number Thread

[folly412]

We've reached...the Yuni!

[Brewcrew82]

BTW, can someone please get Chourio's parents to Milwaukee for this week so he can drink as part of the clinching celebration? 

[Baldkin]

I forgot Arcia was #3 because of my disdain for Yuni and Yost. 

 

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

BTW, can someone please get Chourio's parents to Milwaukee for this week so he can drink as part of the clinching celebration? 

I have flashbacks of Devin Williams Drinking. 

[rickh150]

[Patrick425]

[duewizard]

 

[SomewhereInTime]

 

[Jopal78]

On 9/13/2024 at 2:11 PM, liveforoctober said:

I've thought about it. He ranks 13th all time in HR by shortstops in MLB history. I never said he was a better power hitter than any of the guys you mentioned. I said "quietly he was one of the best". Of all the guys who have played shortstop primarily in MLB history ... he has more home runs than all but 12 (soon to be 13) of them.

What I said was correct, respectfully.

Respectfully JJ Hardy had 188  homers in a career spanning 13 seasons. If you say he’s 13th all time in homers by a SS, ok but realize that is a product of SS not being a power position until the last 20 years or so, not some elite level production. 
 

Hardy’s 188 is going to be passed by Bogaerts. Trea Turner and Carlos Correra. Absent the wheels falling of their careers, Willy Adames, and  Dansby Swanson will likely get there. Then, the new generation of power hitting shortstops are on track to shatter that number: Bichette, Witt Jr. and Ely De La Cruz.  Heck even broken down vets like Javier Baez and Trevor Story are close enough if they could get healthy they might surpass 188. 
 

 

 

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Another two-fer evening! Thank you Cubs bullpen and Brewers offense!

First, my choice for #4 is Pat Listach. What, you say? Listach wore #16! Well yes, but in 1996 he asked and received permission to wear #4 in honor of former teammate Paul Molitor.

And for #3, there were a lot of options, but you can't go wrong with "Scrap Iron" Phil Garner, who was very underrated as the manager of some very entertaining teams.

[homer]

29 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

And for #3, there were a lot of options, but you can't go wrong with "Scrap Iron" Phil Garner, who was very underrated as the manager of some very entertaining teams.

I'll take any excuse to post this video:

 

[formerlybis]

The Brewers have eliminated San Francisco. They're not waking up from this.

[liveforoctober]

9 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Respectfully JJ Hardy had 188  homers in a career spanning 13 seasons. If you say he’s 13th all time in homers by a SS, ok but realize that is a product of SS not being a power position until the last 20 years or so, not some elite level production. 
 

Hardy’s 188 is going to be passed by Bogaerts. Trea Turner and Carlos Correra. Absent the wheels falling of their careers, Willy Adames, and  Dansby Swanson will likely get there. Then, the new generation of power hitting shortstops are on track to shatter that number: Bichette, Witt Jr. and Ely De La Cruz.  Heck even broken down vets like Javier Baez and Trevor Story are close enough if they could get healthy they might surpass 188. 
 

 

 

 

I never said he was a better power hitter than any of the new crop of guys you just mentioned. I said he was quietly one of the better power hitting shortstops of all time. Should I rephrase it so it hits your palette better?

If I said "I think most people would be surprised how high JJ Hardy is on the all time HR list by Shortstops" ... would that make it better? Because that is saying the same thing. 

[formerlybis]

Schoolhouse Rock!

[hawing]

This'll bring back a memory if you're an OG poster around here.  🥰

https://yost.ytmnd.com/

(The volume's UP so adjust accordingly if you're at work)

[Baldkin]

5 hours ago, hawing said:

This'll bring back a memory if you're an OG poster around here.  🥰

https://yost.ytmnd.com/

(The volume's UP so adjust accordingly if you're at work)

I spent 20 minutes searching for Ned Yost 360 f bomb.

[Jopal78]

22 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

I never said he was a better power hitter than any of the new crop of guys you just mentioned. I said he was quietly one of the better power hitting shortstops of all time. Should I rephrase it so it hits your palette better?

If I said "I think most people would be surprised how high JJ Hardy is on the all time HR list by Shortstops" ... would that make it better? Because that is saying the same thing. 

I dispute your initial premise. JJ Hardy “quietly was one of the best power hitting short stops of all time”. It’s simply not true. His career slugging percentage is .408. Per Wee Reese never hit more than 16 homers in a season and his career slugging percentage is .410.

That Hardy was in the first wave of modern shortstops who weren’t anemic with the bat, isn’t all that impressive.

That he was a young successful homegrown player for the Brewers as they began their comeback from baseball irrelevance is why he’s noteworthy. 

[sveumrules]

2 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

I dispute your initial premise. JJ Hardy “quietly was one of the best power hitting short stops of all time”. It’s simply not true. His career slugging percentage is .408. Per Wee Reese never hit more than 16 homers in a season and his career slugging percentage is .410.

BRef has Pee Wee with a .377 career SLG.

.269 of that is his batting average though, which leaves him with an isolated slugging of .108.

JJ does have a .408 career SLG with an average of .256 underneath leaving an isolated slugging of .152.

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, sveumrules said:

BRef has Pee Wee with a .377 career SLG.

.269 of that is his batting average though, which leaves him with an isolated slugging of .108.

JJ does have a .408 career SLG with an average of .256 underneath leaving an isolated slugging of .152.

You’re right, misread the stat line. Doesn’t change the argument, a career .408 slugging percentage doesn’t place one amongst the all time great power hitting shortstops. Heck, it’s not even the a top mark for the Brewers as a franchise (Yount, Adames, Jose Hernandez, Jose Valentin)

[kestrel79]

When I think of Listach and Hamilton I think of them in those early 90's 3000 hits era uniforms, not the later 90's ones. Good to see!

[liveforoctober]

4 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re right, misread the stat line. Doesn’t change the argument, a career .408 slugging percentage doesn’t place one amongst the all time great power hitting shortstops. Heck, it’s not even the a top mark for the Brewers as a franchise (Yount, Adames, Jose Hernandez, Jose Valentin)

Ok. This will be my final response to this because it is silly we are arguing about this in a magic number thread. I was just making a positive side comment about JJ Hardy. Sorry!

The fact I said he was a sneaky good power hitting shortstop and your response has been more or less "shortstops never used to hit for power so it isn't impressive" doesn't disprove my original comment. 

But I digress and you are right and I am wrong. Go Crew!

[folly412]

The lone highlight from the #FreeNateOrf era

[LouisEly]

Just now, folly412 said:

The lone highlight from the #FreeNateOrf era

Well played, sir.  Well played.

[LouisEly]

But there is only one...

 

 

[rickh150]