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[markedman5]

 

[Jastro]

 

[Jastro]

 

[Jastro]

 

[Frisbee Slider]

1 hour ago, Jastro said:

 

Whew, kept Payamps under $3M.

[patrickgpe]

So as of now, the only 2 that didn't avoid arbitration is Contreras and Mears (source: https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2025/01/2025-arbitration-tracker.html)

 

Brewers

• Nestor Cortes (5.094): $7.6MM agreement today (per Murray)
• Aaron Civale (5.058): $8MM agreement today (per Murray)
• Joel Payamps (4.027): $2.995MM agreement today (per Murray)
• Eric Haase (3.159): $1.35MM agreement reached in November
• William Conteras (3.112):
• Nick Mears (3.022):
• Trevor Megill (3.002): $1.94MM agreement reached today (per Murray)

[Soupbone]

Maybe they are hammering out a longer term extension for Contreras.

[DR28]

7 minutes ago, Soupbone said:

Maybe they are hammering out a longer term extension for Contreras.

Hopefully they offered him the deal we offered to Adames this winter.

[tmwiese55]

10 minutes ago, DR28 said:

Hopefully they offered him the deal we offered to Adames this winter.

Do you know that that is?  Because I'd guess it to be an overpay.   Keep in mind you have him for 3 years at arby numbers with no long term risk.  I'd assume we didn't go past 5 years for Adames so 3 years of that is covered by cheap arbitration, though his last year will be pricy.     I'd be fine with buying out 2 years of FA but I'd think what Adames was offered would be too much, if he won't sign for less than that then walk away. Trade him after two more years.      Note the caveat that I don't know what adames was offered, just a guess

[markedman5]

 

[endaround]

Crispy Fish is back.

 

Oh wait, that's Arby's news.  Carry on.

[wibadgers23]

 

[wallus]

2 hours ago, wibadgers23 said:

 

Well that isn't great. Hey William, don't go to the hearing if there is one okay?

[markedman5]

 

[wiguy94]

16 other players also filed for arb. Some notable ones.

 

Cubs - $15M, Kyle Tucker - $17.5M

Nationals - 10.3M, Nate Lowe - $11.1M

Padres - $7.325M, Michael King - $8.8M

Cardinals - $2.85M, Brendan Donovan - $3.3M

Red Sox - $3.5M, Jarren Duran - $4M

Yankees - $2.05M, Mark Leiter Jr - $2.5M

Cardinals - $2.45M, Lars Nootbaar - $2.95M

Cardinals - $1.925M, Andre Pallante - $2.1M

Angels - $975K, Jose Quijada - $1.14M

Rays - $1.3M, Taylor Walls - $1.575M

Dodgers - $2.05M, Alex Vesia - $2.35M

Angels - $5.8M, Luis Rengifo - $5.95M

[titletownking]

If we assume Contreras got the higher amount at 6.5 million(not saying he will or won’t just high-balling), anyone have a dollar figure of where that puts our payroll currently?

[wallus]

That Rengifo one is bizarre imo

[rickh150]

Finding it bizarre to hand an injured Woodruff the bank for a year and choosing to make a thing with the heartbeat of the club for less than a million $ in arby. That is madness.

[dave]

I agree, would really like to see them reward Contreras, before the season 

[umphrey]

8 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Finding it bizarre to hand an injured Woodruff the bank for a year and choosing to make a thing with the heartbeat of the club for less than a million $ in arby. That is madness.

I agree with you, I think their logic is that a bigger raise now means an even bigger raise next year and the year after. Hopefully they can just go to arbitration and not talk about how much he sucks the whole time, that should be an option one would think. 

[SF70]

2 minutes ago, umphrey said:

I agree with you, I think their logic is that a bigger raise now means an even bigger raise next year and the year after. Hopefully they can just go to arbitration and not talk about how much he sucks the whole time, that should be an option one would think. 

No it’s not an option.

Arbitration hearings are all-out wars with the ruling all that matters. Contreras knows this so if he’s going to the hearing and can’t be a big boy about what he hears, then it’s on him, just like it was on Burnes, who couldn’t keep his mouth shut.

[sveumrules]

9 hours ago, rickh150 said:

Finding it bizarre to hand an injured Woodruff the bank for a year and choosing to make a thing with the heartbeat of the club for less than a million $ in arby. That is madness.

Woodruff was a free agent, Contreras is in arbitration, they are two completely different markets.

The relevant comparisons are Woodruff versus other injured free agent starting pitchers, and Contreras versus other first year Arby’s catchers.

Will Smith got $5.25M, Adley Rutschman got $5.5M, Cal Raleigh got $5.6M.

The Brewers offer is perfectly in line with the established market.

Every other Brewers player reached an agreement, Contreras chose not to meet in the middle. He only has himself to blame if he goes and gets his feelings hurt unnecessarily.

[Jopal78]

22 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

Woodruff was a free agent, Contreras is in arbitration, they are two completely different markets.

The relevant comparisons are Woodruff versus other injured free agent starting pitchers, and Contreras versus other first year Arby’s catchers.

Will Smith got $5.25M, Adley Rutschman got $5.5M, Cal Raleigh got $5.6M.

The Brewers offer is perfectly in line with the established market.

Every other Brewers player reached an agreement, Contreras chose not to meet in the middle. He only has himself to blame if he goes and gets his feelings hurt unnecessarily.

Contreras knows what he’s doing. He has the better “traditional” stats than Cal Raleigh (avg. OBP, slg%, 2B, 3B, SB), and William is a multiple winner of the Silver slugger and two time All Star.
 

He’s got a solid chance at getting his number and surely knows if he gets it his number this year  his future earnings will exponentially increase the next two years.

While it’s only a million dollars difference this year it likely means millions in career earnings so I’m sure he’ll also be disappointed if he loses. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

the other aspect of this is both organizations/front offices and the players union all root for their "side" regardless of the team/player involved, and there's pressure for those parties not to "cave" from established or desired market values if the two sides can't come to an agreement.

Often times, prominent players and agents face pressure to go to arbitration no matter what in effort to re-establish market valuations for future arbitration cases/benchmarks for teams and players to negotiate from.  I believe that was the case with Burnes and his representation, Kris Bryant/many players represented by Boras, etc.

At the end of the day, if the two sides can't agree and head to arbitration, neither should feel hurt about the rest of the process - because they know what it entails.  The best scenario in almost all cases is for the sides to reach an agreement in between and avoid the hearing - but that also takes both sides being willing to do so.  The Brewers typically have 1 or no players they take all the way to an arbitration hearing - it's not like they're lowballing everyone constantly.

[sveumrules]

18 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Contreras knows what he’s doing. He has the better “traditional” stats

You left out HR and RBI (in favor of triples?) two of the most important traditional stats to the panel and two where Raleigh has an edge over Contreras. 

I don’t believe the panel will look at William’s numbers and think he’s earned 900K more than Big Dumper.