Danny Jansen to the Brewers

[Weirdos19]

3 hours ago, TURBO said:

Not a chance he'd have been taken, he is far from MLB ready.

You can be picked in lower rounds of the rule 5. And have to stay in AAA all year. 

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Weirdos19 said:

You can be picked in lower rounds of the rule 5. And have to stay in AAA all year. 

Are you sure you have to stay in AAA all year? I thought you just had to be on the AAA roster in the offseason

[BrewerFan]

28 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Over the last 28 days, Contreras has a .598 OPS.

If Murphy is going to hold Ortiz accountable for pitch selection, then he sure as hell needs to hold Contreras accountable.  Jansen isn't a world beater, but Contreras has been pretty bad the last month.

And Jansen an .864 OPS over that same period.

One of the players most expected to go. 

I'm a bit confused as to how this was a huge overpay. If you're assuming Made and Pena were on their way up to HiA... where was he going to play? I don't think Pratt is moving up yet. I'd leave him in AA until the end of the year and get some AAA PAs late.

 

[SomewhereInTime]

Another great example of why the main use of DSL guys is as trade bait.  Its a really dumb system where some 21 year olds have 5 years of team control left while others 0 and its only because of what country they're born in.

[CheezWizHed]

Certainly not a trade on anyone's radar, but I'm not sure why that surprises us year after year. 😉

My guess is that it will be a good grab.  The team must not have much confidence in Haase, or at least wants to upgrade if he is to play more and rest Contreras more (please!).  

Hope we have at least one more trade up their sleeves. 

 

[duewizard]

4 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

Seriously? You don’t think he was one of the 38 best rule 5 eligible guys in the system (or even 28 if you leave spots for 10 minor league free agents or open spots to make minor league rule 5 picks)? I mean he wasn’t a real threat to get taken in the major league phase, but thinking he might not have been protected in the minor league phase is hyperbole in the other direction.

lol calm down I just said maybe without putting thought into it

[patrickgpe]

10 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Best of luck to Haase……

 

well there goes my idea of giving William 10 days off to rest his broken finger. 

[homer]

10 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

well there goes my idea of giving William 10 days off to rest his broken finger. 

I read somewhere it's either surgery and he's out for the year or play through it. Rest won't do anything.

[patrickgpe]

17 minutes ago, homer said:

I read somewhere it's either surgery and he's out for the year or play through it. Rest won't do anything.

ok then the path they are on makes sense. 

[kestrel79]

Whenever Haase was in, it seemed like he mashed and had a good bat. Maybe something wasn't clicking right with our pitching staff and him or his defense they wanted to upgrade?

At this point we just trusted the front office and it will be cool seeing a local guy play for the Brewers and do pretty good and give us a little more pop we need.

[liveforoctober]

11 minutes ago, kestrel79 said:

Whenever Haase was in, it seemed like he mashed and had a good bat. Maybe something wasn't clicking right with our pitching staff and him or his defense they wanted to upgrade?

At this point we just trusted the front office and it will be cool seeing a local guy play for the Brewers and do pretty good and give us a little more pop we need.

Unfortunately this just wasn't true this year. .229/.289/.357 with an OPS+ of 82. Haase was 4-25 this year against lefties. I know he hasn't even had 100 at bats but still... He wasn't helping at the plate. Jansen hits lefties and has some pop. Even if small, he is an upgrade. 

Also, I hope Haase can find himself in Major League job but I just don't know who would give it to him at this point. In all likelihood he accepts the assignment and is in Nashville for us in a couple of weeks so we'll keep the depth.

[Frisbee Slider]

15 minutes ago, kestrel79 said:

Whenever Haase was in, it seemed like he mashed and had a good bat.

These are my memories, too. Especially 2024.

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, homer said:

I read somewhere it's either surgery and he's out for the year or play through it. Rest won't do anything.

This is why we need to understand that the scope of what we know about player injuries and player medical is extremely limited.

Pat Murphy is not perfect, but he is not some idiot. If he thought Contreras could be made right with a little rest or even a couple weeks on the IL, that would have already happened.

[Brian]

14 hours ago, endaround said:

I don't see the purpose. Replace Haase? For the 50 PAs he's going to get for the next two months? Sit Contreas more? Jansen grades out as a terrible defensive catcher. Right handed bench power? DH platoon partner in case Hoskins misses more time? Huge home road splits due to playing in a matchbox stadium.

I mean the cost is not great but I don't get the vision.

Murphy said he hopes Hasse clears waivers and they could bring him up again for the playoffs like they did last year. 

[MNBrew]

10 minutes ago, Brian said:

Murphy said he hopes Hasse clears waivers and they could bring him up again for the playoffs like they did last year. 

Just what I'd been thinking.  Hopefully he gets to Nashville (outrighted & accepts it rather than going FA) and then, with Contreras' finger still an issue, could give them a 3rd C for September or at least another roster option for the playoffs.

Overall, it's not a needle-mover of a trade but hopefully amounts to an incremental upgrade for a lottery ticket.

[brewcrewdue80]

Quero's injury has a hand in this.  Contreras isnt 100pct finishing this season.  Expect Haase to stay and go AAA. Then they'll have a 3rd catcher.

Janson may be more acquired, to have a bat off the bench with a respectable OPS to face a lefty later in game.

[JCREW]

26 minutes ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Quero's injury has a hand in this. 

Has anything been published on that? Last I heard, he got hit in the shoulder in a player collision and "felt something." 

[kestrel79]

3 hours ago, liveforoctober said:

Unfortunately this just wasn't true this year. .229/.289/.357 with an OPS+ of 82. Haase was 4-25 this year against lefties. I know he hasn't even had 100 at bats but still... He wasn't helping at the plate. Jansen hits lefties and has some pop. Even if small, he is an upgrade. 

Also, I hope Haase can find himself in Major League job but I just don't know who would give it to him at this point. In all likelihood he accepts the assignment and is in Nashville for us in a couple of weeks so we'll keep the depth.

Thanks for bringing my thoughts back down to earth with 2025 stats. Yep I'm clearly living in 2024 still haha.

[brewcrewdue80]

40 minutes ago, JCREW said:

Has anything been published on that? Last I heard, he got hit in the shoulder in a player collision and "felt something." 

Left Shoulder sprain trying to tag out a runner google AI says.  Out 3-4 weeks  so I'd expect 5weeks.

[adambr2]

16 hours ago, bigred said:

If you check his stats, looks like his swing decisions must not be that bad. Decent to good averages, good OBP's, good #'s in 2B', triples, HR's. K/BB ratios aren't bad. I don't get it. So they overpay for a back-up catcher hitting a whopping .204? Really? 🤮 

Overpay? They gave up the 24th ranked prospect in their system at a position of surplus who was about to be exposed in the Rule 5 draft anyway.

Jansen makes us better. He’s better than Haase. He does things well that we are weak at - hits for power, and hits LHP.

You want to make moves, but you’re not happy when we make them. You hated the Priester trade and said it wasn’t a significant move because “we all thought we overpaid at the time” which makes no sense at all, since we did give up significant assets and also got a significant return for what Priester has been.

You want Suarez, but you said you wouldn’t give up Logan Henderson, which is fine, but then you complain that we’re not making big moves. We can’t just get them on the phone and offer Tyler Black and call it a day. Many other teams are interested, we are not bidding against ourselves.

You want to go all-in, but you also don’t want to pay up for anything. You can’t have it both ways.

Is there anything this organization can do to please you? Like, honestly asking, what specific move or move(s) are you looking for them to make?

[JCREW]

2 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Left Shoulder sprain trying to tag out a runner google AI says.  Out 3-4 weeks  so I'd expect 5weeks.

So it wasn't the shoulder he injured last year? phew!!

[markedman5]

 

[BigWoo53]

I didn't understand the Jansen trade then and he has sucked since the deadline acquisition. Has anyone had a worse deadline, trading for an at the time injured Shelby Miller who then blows out arm and Jansen who was inflated because he had 5 HR vs. LHP but was hitting around .200 vs LHP but had a high OPS because not that many ABs. Came back to Earth. I'd rather have Haase or Quero. Seigler could probably catch too but we won't see that until 26. 

Hoskins you have to think comes back up as well? The shine has worn off King Vaughn a bit (he was never going to keep his sizzling hitting up, obviously).

[Frisbee Slider]

8 hours ago, BigWoo53 said:

Has anyone had a worse deadline,

Nearly every other team gave up a lot more and received similar or worse results. We gave up nearly nothing for Shelby Miller and the prospect we traded for Jansen was not in our top 30.

I agree that Jansen might be our 4th or 5th best catcher behind Contreras, Haase, Siegler and Quero.

If nothing else, Contreras has been remarkable at the plate since we traded for Jansen. 🙂

 

[adambr2]

I agree that, to be impartial, looking at results, Arnold did not have a good trade deadline.

However, when you consider the entirety of the seasons’ trades, getting a cost controlled #2 pitcher still nets him a positive for in-season activity. And of course, even in the short-term, Vaughn helped us win a lot of games this summer.