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3 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Nearly every other team gave up a lot more and received similar or worse results. We gave up nearly nothing for Shelby Miller and the prospect we traded for Jansen was not in our top 30.

I agree that Jansen might be our 4th or 5th best catcher behind Contreras, Haase, Siegler and Quero.

If nothing else, Contreras has been remarkable at the plate since we traded for Jansen. 🙂

 

Yeah, the Mariners traded their no. 9, 16, and 17 prospects for Suarez who has put up a negative WAR as a Mariner all while free falling and, as it stands now, barely hanging on to the 6 seed by a half a game.

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For me personally, it still stings giving up Arienamo for a catcher that has not offered us a damn thing so far, and who walks after the season ends.

Blocked or not, Jadher showed a lot of promise, and you just never know what is going to happen in the future.  I do not think all the activity in his swing is going to play in the majors, but there is still time to address that.

Just didn't like the trade, and still don't.

Hopefully Jansen changes my mind in the coming weeks, and does something, anything, to make us better.

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I liked the trade fine and still do but only if he actually plays to his season numbers and not the 48 wRC+ he currently has with Milwaukee. But overall every year I feel more and more it’s best to just punt the trade deadline unless it’s a star player or filling a major hole. More trade busts than ever this year all around the league. These mediocre players having nice years on losing teams just can’t cut it after changing teams and getting dropped into the middle of a postseason run. 

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On 9/6/2025 at 7:26 PM, BigWoo53 said:

Yeah what about the Nestor/prospect trade for Lockridge? Lockridge was better for us than in SD but was an odd trade as well. 

Nestor has a 6+ ERA for the Padres and just went on IR. 

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On 9/8/2025 at 3:38 PM, CheezWizHed said:

Nestor has a 6+ ERA for the Padres and just went on IR. 

Yeah I wasn't too high on Cortes as he was MKE about 10th best starting option, however, trading prospect Quintana and cash in addition to Cortes for Lockridge was a bit surprising. 

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7 hours ago, BigWoo53 said:

Yeah I wasn't too high on Cortes as he was MKE about 10th best starting option, however, trading prospect Quintana and cash in addition to Cortes for Lockridge was a bit surprising. 

Agree that it was a bit surprising (the inclusion of Quintana), but the odds of Quintana ever accumulating the .4 WAR that Lockridge already has for the Brewers are pretty long.

 

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On 9/5/2025 at 8:57 PM, BigWoo53 said:

I didn't understand the Jansen trade then and he has sucked since the deadline acquisition. Has anyone had a worse deadline, trading for an at the time injured Shelby Miller who then blows out arm and Jansen who was inflated because he had 5 HR vs. LHP but was hitting around .200 vs LHP but had a high OPS because not that many ABs. Came back to Earth. I'd rather have Haase or Quero. Seigler could probably catch too but we won't see that until 26. 

Hoskins you have to think comes back up as well? The shine has worn off King Vaughn a bit (he was never going to keep his sizzling hitting up, obviously).

Having hindsight is a very simple way to argue anything. Brewers had an 11 game win streak going into the trade deadline and a 14 game win streak after.  Now your complaining on September 11th, 42 days later because we lost 6 of our last 10?  

I do admit Jansen as of today was a lateral move at best but as far as Shelby Miller go's, the Brewers have been picking up injured pitchers for over 10 years, That is 100% normal for them. 

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1 hour ago, Brian said:

Having hindsight is a very simple way to argue anything. Brewers had an 11 game win streak going into the trade deadline and a 14 game win streak after.  Now your complaining on September 11th, 42 days later because we lost 6 of our last 10?  

I do admit Jansen as of today was a lateral move at best but as far as Shelby Miller go's, the Brewers have been picking up injured pitchers for over 10 years, That is 100% normal for them. 

Maybe this is just my recency bias talking but it doesn’t feel like this particular strategy has paid off for them very often. 

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Jansen eventually held up his end in the opportunities he got — credit to him.

But looking at what Haase did before the trade and what Jansen did after, I can’t for the life of me see any meaningful difference in impact.

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On 9/28/2025 at 11:16 PM, gregmag said:

Jansen eventually held up his end in the opportunities he got — credit to him.

But looking at what Haase did before the trade and what Jansen did after, I can’t for the life of me see any meaningful difference in impact.

The Brewers still have Haase. So they can still use him if they want to.

It's possible that Jansen just took a bit of time to settle in to his new situation. Trades can be jarring even for better players than he is.

It's one of the reasons I think trade deadline moves are generally overrated. And by that I mean that those moves coming at that specific time have a lot of expectations attached to them. There's no way to predict when those players feel a comfort level to just be who they are. Some do better than others in that situation.

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On 9/28/2025 at 11:16 PM, gregmag said:

Jansen eventually held up his end in the opportunities he got — credit to him.

But looking at what Haase did before the trade and what Jansen did after, I can’t for the life of me see any meaningful difference in impact.

In 77 PA on the season with MKE - Haase hit .229/.289/.357 with an OPS of .647 and an OPS+ of 80.
In 78 PA on the season with MKE - Jansen hit .254/.346/.433 with an OPS if .779 and an OPS+ of 117

Jansen was brought in to be an offensive upgrade to our backup C position and despite a disastrous start ... is exactly that. 

"I can't for the life of me" ... so bottom of the 9th inning we are down 1 run with guys on 2nd and 3rd and 2 outs and Ortiz is up at the plate. Your options to pinch hit are Haase and Jansen. You're taking Eric Haase?

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Getting past the first impressions are hard for people.  Haas started the season great, but eventually faded...

Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
April/March 10 5 20 17 5 5 0 0 1 3 0 0 2 5 .294 .368 .471 .839 8 0 0 1 0 0 0 .364 159 137
May 8 5 21 20 1 4 1 0 1 2 0 0 1 11 .200 .238 .400 .638 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 .375 94 75
June 5 3 13 13 1 3 2 0 0 3 0 0 0 6 .231 .231 .385 .615 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 .429 88 69
July 7 6 23 20 4 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 9 .200 .304 .200 .504 4 1 2 0 0 0 0 .364 61 45

Jansen started very poorly, but eventually came on hot.  

Split G GS PA AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG OPS TB GDP HBP SH SF IBB ROE BAbip tOPS+ sOPS+
                                                         
August 12 8 39 33 5 7 2 0 0 2 0 0 4 8 .212 .308 .273 .580 9 0 1 0 1 0 1 .269 64 63
Sept/Oct 12 8 38 33 5 10 1 0 3 5 0 0 5 9 .303 .395 .606 1.001 20 1 0 0 0 0 0 .333 175 179
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"Rock, sometime, when the team is up against it, and the breaks are beating the boys, tell 'em to go out there with all they got and win just one for the Uecker. I don't know where I'll be then, Rock but I'll know about it; and I'll be happy."

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4 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Getting past the first impressions are hard for people.  Haas started the season great, but eventually faded...

It's already been stated in this thread but I think way too many people are still holding the image of 2024 Eric Haase in their minds. He hasn't been that guy in 2025.

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38 minutes ago, RWeeksFan23 said:

I tried telling people, man.

People were way too quick to judge him after just a handful of ABs and spoaradic playing time.

It’s what people do……especially with trade acquisitions……to a certain extent it’s understandable because all anyone cares about is what a guy does after you get him.

Glad that he finished strong

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Jansen was likely to better offensively than Haase (which he was) while being worse defensively (which he was). But it was for fewer than 80 PAs which is why this was always weird.

Haase 77 PAs fWAR 0.3

Jansen  78 PAs fWAR 0.4

And this was with Jansen exceeding expectations for his bat. (wRC+ 119 vs 100 career)

 

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